You're welcome.What happened with this place? Few months ago rumours about James, Longstaff, Aarons...would cause total meltdown here( and with that dozens of good jokes). Now people react positively on every Championship player.
Max Aarons
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Not better than Dalot. Either develop Dalot or buy a RB that is there from the get go
Plus Dalot too, and we'd still have Ashley Young to provide experience and play ahead of them until they are ready. nah
What happened with this place? Few months ago rumours about James, Longstaff, Aarons...would cause total meltdown here( and with that dozens of good jokes). Now people react positively on every Championship player.
Nothing happened. In all threads you have both sides, it's just that negativity drives conversations. Plenty of people were positive about James, plenty are positive about Longstaff and Aarons seems interesting so lots of people will be positive about him but give it a few minutes and negativity will make its entrance.
Yes sorry, forgot to mention Dalot. Rest of your sentence I deleted from post and my head. Left the white letters thou.
He's a great prospect in a bit earlier stage of developmenet. Isn't he even younger than Dalot ? Long term project in fullest meaning of the word it seems.
Perhaps one more year outside big club pressure would be better for him to have that one fully successful PL season like Bissaka ?
He looks good, it would tempting to play him on the right instead of 34 year old Young, anyway...
Perhaps one more year outside big club pressure would be better for him to have that one fully successful PL season like Bissaka ?
He looks good, it would tempting to play him on the right instead of 34 year old Young, anyway...
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Max Aarons is a good acquisition but the problem is that we do not want to be in a position where Ashley Young is being picked ahead of Max Aarons (don't want another Dalot situation).
He’s a good player and I agree with looking at alternatives if Palace want 60m for AWB.
If the price is right sign both him and AWB and loan the kid immediately back to Norwich for one season. I read that he can play on the left as well
Can you please expand on this? Whilst I like Dalots potential going forward this guy is clearly a much better defender. Did you just pick a side of the debate or have you some knowledge to back this up?
Conflicted. I'm a big fan of Aarons and would love to see us snap him up. But on the other hand I've a soft spot for Norwich and would loath to see them lose their best player.
I think Dalot is a good player but what is this based on? I can't pretend to know anything about this kid so I can't make a judgement as I don't watch the championship. Enlighten me
Aarons is the better defender, Dalot is the better attacker. Both need to develop before they are ready to be a MU first team RB. I just don't see the point in having two promising RB's.
If you are thinking about deploying two "wingbacks" on the same side and time? Both capable of operating as fullbacks and wingers. In theory there are some benefits from this. If Barca had two Dani Alves at the same time I think they might have tried something like this. Not a bad idea at all.
If you look at Youcef Atal, he can operate in both positions on a high level. He could be such a player.
A lot of potential but that is the problem, at some point we need to start signing proven talent this summer and I dont want to see Ashley Young still starting a majority of our games next season again as our right back.
Aaarons seems the better attacker going by stats alone. He has 3 goals and 6 assists (similar to Daniel James last season) to Dalot's 3 assists. These are total career stats by the way but Aaarons has only played one season to Diogo's two with United and Porto. To be fair Aaarons played a shitload of football in his breakthrough season and already has more senior minutes under his belt than Dalot
If we had a more balanced midfield we could get away with either of him or Dalot at rb
This kid seems to be very highly rated, but we need a starting RB, Aarons looks like another Dalot.
Brilliant. I'd rather him over a Meunier nor a Trippier
Thats a player how will cost 4 times than he do now about 2-3 years. So why not buy him now. Then Aarons and Dalot Can fight for the right back!
This. The myth about AWB being peddled on here as being some sort of Welbeck in attack is mind boggling. Obviously at Palace, PVA is the more attacking of the two but he’s literally rubbish defensively.
Is he fast? If yes, I am okay with it.
Heard great things about him
Very highly rated I believe.
Very highly rated I believe.
What if he makes a ton of mistakes due to the pressure at United and then everyone calls him Max Errors? I think we should steer clear because if this.
Any Norwich fans who can vouch for this guy?
Would rather have him than AWB. Made a thread about him not that long ago:
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/max-aarons.447849/#post-24186340
I know that english football culture have a tendency to evaluate a fullback mainly on his ability to defend. And since a fullback is a defender I guess that makes sense. In some teams and systems it might be a good approach too.
If you play a defensive and reactive football you will probably be happy with your fullback if he is rock solid defending, but offers little going forward. But there is a problem with that in a more proactive and attacking team, the way I see it.
If a player offer little going forward, there is an inherent limitation to his potential overall contribution depending on the other team. The player will not do much more than help stop the other team through defending. If you can attack there is, in theory, no limitation to your potential contribution going forward.
The best teams in the PL limit the other teams through sheer domination of play. Take Liverpool as an example. Trent Alexander-Arnold is not a very good defender and certainly not at AWBs level in my opinion. I doubt that AWB would struggle against Rashford the way TAA has. Regardless, Liverpool still only conceeded 22 goals this year.
Would Liverpool conceed much less with a better player than TAA? Probably not. Despite his limitations defending, its good enough most of the time. And the other teams are, knowing the attacking threat TAA represent, careful when attacking. Being a better defender would have a very limited value to TAA.
Attacking wise, on the other side, there does not appear to be a limitation to his contribution currently. He has offered more assists and key passes than most attacking midfielders (and a lot of attackers), including our very own Paul Pogba. And unfortunatly, I think there is a lot more to come from him!
That is why I would be very careful paying a lot of money for a fullback who has only proven that he is great at defending. If we develop our team the way we should, being a great defender will be of limited value compared to being a great attacker. Being good on the ball will be of huge importance and value. Both to create a team that can dominate with the ball and to the attacking contribution he will provide against some of the defensive, reactive low-block type of teams we face.
I can not say for sure that AWB does not have more to his game than what he has shown at Crystal Palace. He probably has. But I would be very surprised if he had the same passing ability (linkup, through balls, crosses) and flair as players like Robertson and Trent-Arnold. If he do, he would be one of Palace best weapon going forward and I’m sure Hodgson would try to make use of that to a bigger degree than what he has.
Max Aarons do not have the same crossing ability as Trent-Arnold. But on other areas, he is even better going forward. His ball control and low gravity almost makes him reminicent of David Silva or Bernardo Silva. He also have, like Trent-Arnold and Robertson, the ability to quickly spot an attacking opportunity going forward.
In short, I feel much more confident in Aarons ability as an attacking fullback. AWB might have potential, but has yet to prove it.
Oooh, an attacking fullback who looks pacy and nimble on the ball.
Been a long time since we had one of those.
And people complaining about Championship players, any half decent top Championship fullback is better than Ashley Young.
Been a long time since we had one of those.
And people complaining about Championship players, any half decent top Championship fullback is better than Ashley Young.
Can't we just get one player that can do both?
If he's anything like his YouTube highlights on a consistent basis then I would rather have him over bissaka because he looks far better on the ball passing wise, control in tight space, first touch and dribbling, if anything he looks more like a winger and reminds me off Dani Alves.
Considering he will probably cost half of what Bissaka would cost why not sign Aarons for probably around 20-25 million and also meunier as the 1st choice at least then we dont have to worry about ever seeing Young at right back again, it does disappoint a bit that we are so willing to spend 40+ million for a defensive right back in Bissaka who is going to leave us once again with the same issues of playing out from the back that we have seen with Valencia and Young, our club should be about rampaging attacking fullbacks.
Considering he will probably cost half of what Bissaka would cost why not sign Aarons for probably around 20-25 million and also meunier as the 1st choice at least then we dont have to worry about ever seeing Young at right back again, it does disappoint a bit that we are so willing to spend 40+ million for a defensive right back in Bissaka who is going to leave us once again with the same issues of playing out from the back that we have seen with Valencia and Young, our club should be about rampaging attacking fullbacks.
Good post that
Can't we get both? We're not exactly stocked at RB.
What is the rumoured price for him?
Get Meunier let AWB run down his contract till a year and then swoop if proven for 2 seasons again.
A rare post..someone talking sense.
You have to look at the overall contribution of a player to the team, not just his personal stats.
To take it to the extreme, what s the use of having a defender with 100 per cent tackle success and the pass to the team mate who is not in the best position?
The team will still lose possession but the player personal stats look good
I agree.
Furthermore, Max Aarons has been one of the best defenders, if not the best, in the Championship this year. The championship is not the same quality as the PL, but it is not as if we would be getting a gung-ho fullback who do not have a clue how to defend.
Are you going to push for Meunier in every transfer thread concerning other right backs?
Looks talented! But wonder which one of him and Youzef Atal is the most talented? Looks like they have a similar style of playing rb.
Wow, from his highlights vids, he looks very good on the ball, almost like a CM playing as a FB. Also he seems very good going forward. From the vids it looks like he’s not very fast and that he’s not very tall, but other than that, I think he has loads of potential. To be frank, I would rather have him than AWB, would probably cost half of what AWB would cost and would be a much fit if we are looking to play attacking football.
Looks like he can play LB too, have him on the left AWB on the right