I doubt he'll come to us now, especially after the comments Raiola made about United not progressing etc.
Matthijs de Ligt / signs for Juventus, lowering their average age to 56
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This saga's trying too hard.
ITK's should just admit the kid is going to work on Mino's money plantation in China.
ITK's should just admit the kid is going to work on Mino's money plantation in China.
Oh just get on with it ffs. Think everyone is bored senseless at this point.
And as for the whole Raiola offering him to us? Yeah sure. Offer De Ligt on one hand while causing a stupid amount of problems with Pogba on the other. Makes sense.
Mate, your full quote would have some form of basis in the defense of Raiola especially with regards to the use of the word dishonorable.
Thing is I would say that the monies Raiola earns for 'looking out' for his clients is far from honorable.
Your post makes it look like Raiola is some sort of saint.............hes not he is out to make big money and he achieves that through means that are far from honorable.
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Of course I do, it was I think the first game I saw him playing. What I meant is that when it was off the radar of most people it was already been followed and dealt by juve. At the time he was not the focus of attention of anybody, even last summer you did not even have a open thread about him while Juve tried to buy him so what Raiola is telling is not incredible.
As for the other young CB we bought that puzzles many people, there is no mistery Juve needs to fill two slots because Barzagli and Caceres have left and Chiellini with one year more will play less than 30-35 games. We actually also bought Romero who is another young promising CB who is doing the medicals today but will go on loan to play back in Genoa. That is also part of Juve strategy to buy young players that in most cases will be used to generate profits in trades when not good enough to wear the shirt
that is clearly BS, Raiola has confirmed the players has agreed terms with Juve and wants to move there, if his fee was not agreed rest assured that Raiola would not have gone overboard to claim that. These days when you deal with Raiola and Mendes of this world the fee is part of the players acquisition costs, it would be silly to deal the player terms and the transfer fee without having first agreed the agent's fee
On the contrary it is makes utter sense!.
First of all it is not at all confirmed that terms were agreed with Barca, this is what Spanish press said and it is not necessarily true as it is clearly not true what some English tabloid are claiming that Raiola is dealing the player to MU.
Secondly even if it was true, and I do not think it is, Barca had not made an offer last year like Juve did (and that bit is sure) so maybe they agreed last year that if this year he still wanted Juve and brought that offer they would have let him go.
That is what Raiola is saying, I have no way to be sure it is true but it does fit with quite a few of the other known facts and timeline and Juve offer.
Also Barca's president has recently claimed that he knew where de ligt was going since March and that seems to suggest too that it was not Barca and that he had a previous agreement with somebody else
ahahahahahahah that was the fecking golden boy award less than a year ago!
Also Ajax turned down a €65m offer last summer so I don't know who you're trying to impress.
Nonetheless is not wrong. De Ligt visited Juventus training ground, Continassa, museum and facilities last year when Italy faced with Netherland in friendly game. He was invited from Paratici and Nedved to do that and he accepted. He was only Netherland player who was invited from Juventus to take Juventus tour (visiting all important buildings, museum, facilities, stadium, press conference office and so on). I'm sure that important people of Juventus have had de Ligt on pick few years ago from moment when he debut for Ajax and that they worked in silence with him and Raiola.
He should announce his choice now. Everything with Raiola takes so much time.
two deals would, however, mean two fees and that's all that matters to Raiola (not that I'm saying De L will end up with us)
I never called him a saint. But you don't have to be a saint to avoid being called a fat pig/slimy rat or whatever other insult I have seen thrown at him. I was merely making the point that it is not appropriate to insult someone simply for doing their job properly, even if you don't like what they are doing. As long as the person abides by all the ethics of their profession, they are doing good work.
It is not Raiola's job to make football fans feel comfortable. It is his job to look after his clients. If you have evidence of him ever mistreating his clients or forcing them to make moves they didn't want, then present it. Until that happens, I will continue to view all the hate thrown at him as inappropriate.
Hating him because he is making a ton of money also just reflects badly on you. I cannot see it being anything other than envy. Raiola is just like any other smart businessman. He picks up good talent because he has an eye for it, and the clubs that are desperate to sign that talent go on to reward him with riches. I don't see what is dishonourable about that.
Raiola wasn't his agent when he made his debut. Raiola's only been his (co-)agent since spring of last year.
and it still is wrong to suggest that Juve were somehow dealing with some 'unknown teenager before he blew up' at whatever point of his first team career at Ajax. He was a Dutch international before he played the Europa League final in 2017 even
Nonetheless your post is hilarious and just nonsense.
the dissonance of on the one hand no one supposedly having heard of him and on the other him being there to receive the award for biggest talent in Europe is hilarious
the dissonance of on the one hand no one supposedly having heard of him and on the other him being there to receive the award for biggest talent in Europe is hilarious
Exactly. De Ligt was not some hidden gem, he was highly rated player from long back and most fans who read bit of articles heard about him from more than 2 years back.
Wait...what? Isn't that tapping up a player?
Hi, shall we just stick to the main point of my reply to your post which basically honed into the use of the word dishonorable ?
Im not one to throw names at people (check my post history), so if you have a gripe with those people who do you should take that up with them.
Now sticking to you answer, it makes me proud to be seen as being 'reflected on badly' because I have some morals, has nothing to do with envy.
As to your analysis on why he is good at what he does, I never doubted that, my issues (getting back to the point in hand).
dishonourable
showing lack of honor or integrity; ignoble; base; disgraceful; shameful: Cheating is dishonorable.
having no honor or good repute; unprincipled; disreputable: a dishonorable man.
Taking 10's of millions of pounds to act as a medium between two parties to me is dishonorable.
To you it seems it is not.
I have no issue with that and neither should you
Well then it seems that your problem lies with the Football Agent profession in general and not with Raiola personally. They're all paid millions of pounds to act as a medium. I dont see that Raiola has done anything particularly egregious that other agents dont routinely do as part of their profession.
Also, there is a big difference between "taking 10's of millions of pounds" and being paid 10s of millions of pounds. Raiola isnt taking the money by force, it is being given to him voluntarily by clubs in exchange for his services in engineering transfers. If you can call that dishonourable, then we will have to agree to disagree.
Might as well lock this thread, he's going Juve:
See the comment on reddit below, her brother signed for a German club:
https://www.reddit.com/r/muppetiers/comments/caooa3/-/etcxr5o
Okay MDL is going to Juventus. It’s my opinion but it is based on some evidence
They had a farewell dinner, I’m guessing at annekee place And well there were two flags in the picture. A German flag and......an Italian flag and you can see de ligt in the photo as well....I am officially sad. But I hope we get maguire now and we all can move past this together
Edit: The German flag is for the brother I’m guessing and the Italian flag. Well you can guess that
Edit 2: [de ligt bbq]
See the comment on reddit below, her brother signed for a German club:
https://www.reddit.com/r/muppetiers/comments/caooa3/-/etcxr5o
Okay MDL is going to Juventus. It’s my opinion but it is based on some evidence
They had a farewell dinner, I’m guessing at annekee place And well there were two flags in the picture. A German flag and......an Italian flag and you can see de ligt in the photo as well....I am officially sad. But I hope we get maguire now and we all can move past this together
Edit: The German flag is for the brother I’m guessing and the Italian flag. Well you can guess that
Edit 2: [de ligt bbq]
It's actually an Irish flag. Holy shit. He's off to Bohs!
Nah, we have a number of resident experts who are adamant he's signing for us. No worries there.
Nah boy, City til he dies !
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I was already beginning to think Maguire is a better deal anyway.
PS. 260 pages and all is destroyed by a mini flag
I was already beginning to think Maguire is a better deal anyway.
PS. 260 pages and all is destroyed by a mini flag
Thread title change please:
Old Lady taps 15 year old Dutch wunderkid. Raiola officially receives his pimp badge.
Old Lady taps 15 year old Dutch wunderkid. Raiola officially receives his pimp badge.
Why would they stuff the flags in a bush where no one can see them? I only see a German flag on the table behind.
Probably whoever bought it thought it was an Italian flag
Probably staying and they just tossed the flags in the bush.
Just hope for Ajax sake they have got the full 75m off that sneaky old lady.
Just hope for Ajax sake they have got the full 75m off that sneaky old lady.
It is an Italian flag. The light is making the red... lighter. But it is red (look at Germany's flag, it's the same color).
Might as well lock this thread, he's going Juve:
See the comment on reddit below, her brother signed for a German club:
https://www.reddit.com/r/muppetiers/comments/caooa3/-/etcxr5o
Okay MDL is going to Juventus. It’s my opinion but it is based on some evidence
They had a farewell dinner, I’m guessing at annekee place And well there were two flags in the picture. A German flag and......an Italian flag and you can see de ligt in the photo as well....I am officially sad. But I hope we get maguire now and we all can move past this together
Edit: The German flag is for the brother I’m guessing and the Italian flag. Well you can guess that
Edit 2: [de ligt bbq]
Good to see Sjaak Swart is still attending these bbq's.
Your first point, yeah, I agree with that. I never specifically said my argument was against only Raiola, its just that he was the focus of your initial post that I partially quoted.
Your second point, im not one to get pedantic just to put a point across, as you feel you need this discretion then yeah, me bad, I should have said 'paid' instead of 'taking', my point (from my POV) still stands.
Finally, as we have seemed to agree to disagree.
My general issue is the 'free market' economies where we live, which are far from honorable and more towards dishonorable.
Two example below (this is off topic, its just to emphasize, why I see super agents as dishonorable people.)
A person who is selfless but never blessed with monetary wealth dies, what is remembered about them? Apart from their close family, friends, probably not alot.
A person who is selfish but is blessed with a large amount of monetary wealth, gar-nerd through their selfishness, what is remembered about them? Apart from their close family, friends, people will remember the huge wealth they acquired, issues about that persons character; well most people wouldn't care.
This is whats elementary wrong in many facets of the societies we live in, super agents are a perfect example of the selfishness that is prevalent.
It’s comforting to read that Barca now consider Lindelof the next best alternative to De Ligt. Unless he goes there, of course. That wouldn’t be comforting.
I doubt there is a single professional club in the world that does not contact a transfer target before starting negotiations with the other club and I doubt even more that Ajax would take offence at something like that given their strategy to develop and sell their players. That putting aside the fact that since this was an almost public outing it is quite likely that in this case a formal communication or a courtesy call was made to Van der Saar who knows personally and is friend with all Juve management.
In most cases this is not done because sport directors speak with agents so let's not kid ourselves and try to look like Virgin Marys here
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Who gives a shit anymore.
I personally don´t want more Riola clients on our books, hope we don´t dig ourselves another hole.
Would take Maguire over him at this point.
I personally don´t want more Riola clients on our books, hope we don´t dig ourselves another hole.
Would take Maguire over him at this point.
There is a difference between making contact with an agent and saying “Would he consider joining us?” And giving a kid the grand tour.I doubt there is a single professional club in the world that does not contact a transfer target before starting negotiations with the other club and I doubt even more that Ajax would take offence at something like that given their strategy to develop and sell their players. That putting aside the fact that since this was an almost public outing it is quite likely that in this case a formal communication or a courtesy call was made to Van der Saar who knows personally and is friend with all Juve management.
In most cases this is not done because sport directors speak with agents so let's not kid ourselves and try to look like Virgin Marys here
But like you say most clubs do something. Fergie used to send birthday cards to Mexes for example
I agree with you that the way we set up our economies doesn’t seem to reward our best people. I think a whole lot of dishourable people have contributed in setting it up, and mostly the economy seems to benefit them exclusively.
I see where you are coming from. Agents don’t seem to do much to earn their millions. They do nothing but hang on the coat tails of their clients.
But I don’t judge the individuals who find success playing the economics game. They may well be honest, kind and loving people who make all that money to give to their children.
I would prefer it if agents didn’t exist and we lived in a fair world where ones wealth reflected their contribution to society. It is the system that is fecked up. The people in it may be good or bad, but I think that you shouldn’t judge anyone until you get to know them as individuals (hopefully we also agree on that point).
Also: feck that Irish/Italian flag. Part of me was really hoping we would get De Ligt. But alas it seems that the dream is definitely over. To the Maguire thread..
It´s a good move for Juve and De Ligt. Juve forces short term success and De Ligt is already at a high level. I am not a friend of long term planning in football. "Build a (young) team, which can win something in three years" is not working. First you need get to the top, then you have to stay there. You don´t do that with "one step back, to take two steps forward" thinking. Milan, ManUtd and now Bayern did this wrong.
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