[m1y2]

doesnt really matter how well he started, I said it right away he's not good enough for Manchester United and hardly has a potential to get to the needed level. No pace, zero skills, horrible dribbling, atrocious first touch and very dodgy at defending. The missed penalty is sign of no confidence as well which is a must when you play on a big stage. Must be one of the worst transfers we made for a while, at least Bebe had somehow potential to get better. We will be in for a right back in January. Think Jose will only go for Pogba or a midfielder in the summer thinking some of the three Varela, Valencia, Darmian will do the job. I think he will be disappointed with the options. Valencia could be his no1 RB and he's very average and former winger. Varela is very raw, so I'm not sure how many chances he gets and you have this fella who can't do basically anything, neither defending nor attacking.

I want Cancelo from Valencia he won't cost much and has a great potential. Agent Nani can have a word with him...

 

[LazyBones]

He started off well, then regressed alarmingly, but how many United players DID have a good season last year ? I think he COULD be a steady and consistent performer in years to come, but he then again he might not. Their are plenty of options at right back currently. Hopefully the majority of the squad will start playing under again Jose.
This is a forum where people give their opinions and discuss things, if you totally disagree with something I say, that's fine, no worries, but don't tell me or anyone else to stop expressing their opinions. Ever.

That is all fair enough and I agree we have to give the lad a chance, but comparing him to Irwin at this stage of his career is ridiculous.

 

[the unknown one.]

He started off well, then regressed alarmingly, but how many United players DID have a good season last year ? I think he COULD be a steady and consistent performer in years to come, but then again he might not. He deserves a chance same as everyone else. Their are plenty of options at right back currently. Hopefully the majority of the squad will start playing under again Jose.
This is a forum where people give their opinions and discuss things, if you totally disagree with something I say, that's fine, no worries, but don't tell me or anyone else to stop expressing their opinions. Ever.

What specific qualities do you think Darmian has that could make him this in years to come?

 

[Devil may care]

Jose said he likes specialists so that might give Darmian a shot ashed of Valencia at the start of the season.

 

[the unknown one.]

doesnt really matter how well he started, I said it right away he's not good enough for Manchester United and hardly has a potential to get to the needed level. No pace, zero skills, horrible dribbling, atrocious first touch and very dodgy at defending. The missed penalty is sign of no confidence as well which is a must when you play on a big stage. Must be one of the worst transfers we made for a while, at least Bebe had somehow potential to get better. We will be in for a right back in January. Think Jose will only go for Pogba or a midfielder in the summer thinking some of the three Varela, Valencia, Darmian will do the job. I think he will be disappointed with the options. Valencia could be his no1 RB and he's very average and former winger. Varela is very raw, so I'm not sure how many chances he gets and you have this fella who can't do basically anything, neither defending nor attacking.

I want Cancelo from Valencia he won't cost much and has a great potential. Agent Nani can have a word with him...

Valencia is a far better RB than people realise. He dominates the right flank with his stamina, speed and strength and is always available for his right winger as an option.

Mata despite his limitations was always much better with Valencia behind him as he allowed Mata drift inside. I could see the same happening with Mkhi who likes to drift inside in a similiar fashion.

Valencia also has an excellent first touch which is often overlooked. His defensive positional sense is poor for a RB but his overall contribution to the team is undervalued. I could see him being a mainstay of Jose's team next season unless TFM or Varela show rapid progress.

 

[Raees]

By Summer 2017, neither Darmian or Valencia will be playing for this club.

 

[Kostur]

He has none of the attributes to be a top right back.

Physically, technically and mentally he is poor, Jose is not a magician.

Varela and especially TFM have massive potential and are currently better than Darmian.

Keeping him is harmful to their development. If an experienced option is needed at RB Valencia is the vastly superior choice.

He's a good defender and no, neither TFM nor Varela are at the moment better than him.

 

[the unknown one.]

He's a good defender and no, neither TFM nor Varela are at the moment better than him.

How is he a good defender?

What attributes does he possess that make him this?

He is literally good at no aspect of being a RB. I would even prefer Riley or Young there even though they are relatively poor in this position as they have some qualities.

Darmian has none.

 

[Keegs]

How is he a good defender?

What attributes does he possess that make him this?

He is literally good at no aspect of being a RB. I would even prefer Riley or Young there even though they are relatively poor in this position as they have some qualities.

Darmian has none.

Mother of god you should be disgusted with yourself back your teams players you bloody disgrace.

 

[van Persie]

Swap for Azpilicueta? Conte likes Darmian. Mourinho loves Azpilicueta. Azpilicueta wouldn't do great as a wing-back in a 3-5-2 anyway which Conte will likely utilize.

But player swaps, very unilkely

 

[Keegs]

Darmian an schneiderlin are two players who will thrive under mourinho both destroyed by van gaal.Darmian was great at the start of the season one bad game and a injury and van gaal didn't play him again destroyed his confidence going to be interested to see Memphis as well van gaal was an expert at demoralising players.

 

[the unknown one.]

Mother of god you should be disgusted with yourself back your teams players you bloody disgrace.

What is the point backing a player who is not good enough on an internet forum?

I back Valencia, TFM and Varela who all better than Darmian.

 

[the unknown one.]

Darmian an schneiderlin are two players who will thrive under mourinho both destroyed by van gaal.Darmian was great at the start of the season one bad game and a injury and van gaal didn't play him again destroyed his confidence going to be interested to see Memphis as well van gaal was an expert at demoralising players.

One bad game

Try 20.

 

[Kostur]

How is he a good defender?

What attributes does he possess that make him this?

He is literally good at no aspect of being a RB. I would even prefer Riley or Young there even though they are relatively poor in this position as they have some qualities.

Darmian has none.

I'm sure you're an avid watcher of our U21, U18 games and so on but other than just athletic characteristics defenders need to possess skills such as decent tackling and more importantly good positioning and anticipation. The latter often comes with game time and experience, the younglings have none of.

Hype surrounding TFM is really baffling at times.

 

[the unknown one.]

I'm sure you're an avid watcher of our U21, U18 games and so on but other than just athletic characteristics that defenders need to possess skills such as decent tackling and more importantly good positioning and anticipation. The latter often comes with game time and experience, the younglings have none of.

Hype surrounding TFM is really baffling at times.

I watch a lot of U21 matches and TFM has the potential to be world class. He does lack some of the mental attributes you mention I agree.

These will improve as he gets older and more experienced with game time.

If Darmian was a good tackler and had good positioning and anticipating I would agree he should stay, however he does not have these qualities imo certainly not enough to make up for his appalling lack of physical attributes and technical abilities.

He is also weak willed as is shown by the amount of times he had to come off with a minor injury last season.

Valencia played half the derby against City with a badly injured foot such was his desire to win. I would rather players like him than players like Darmian.

 

[kr0nix]

Varela better defensively than Darmian? He's not strong in the tackle, poor aerially, easily dribbled past. All he has is recovery pace which can only go so far in compensating for the rest of his weaknesses. He has more potential in an attacking sense than Darmian, I'll give you that.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

That is all fair enough and I agree we have to give the lad a chance, but comparing him to Irwin at this stage of his career is ridiculous.

What specific qualities do you think Darmian has that could make him this in years to come?

I didn't actually mean he is as good as Irwin was in his prime just now, that is a stretch, no doubt, I just think he could go on to become a very solid performer in both fullback positions, and I don't think he is the only player at OT who might well look like a much better player once Jose gets his feet under the table in the coming months.

 

[m1y2]

Valencia is a far better RB than people realise. He dominates the right flank with his stamina, speed and strength and is always available for his right winger as an option.

Mata despite his limitations was always much better with Valencia behind him as he allowed Mata drift inside. I could see the same happening with Mkhi who likes to drift inside in a similiar fashion.

Valencia also has an excellent first touch which is often overlooked. His defensive positional sense is poor for a RB but his overall contribution to the team is undervalued. I could see him being a mainstay of Jose's team next season unless TFM or Varela show rapid progress.

tbh I am actually not satisfied with his attacking side of play, maybe it's because I expect more from him as a former winger..

what I don't like about Valencia:
his crossing to players' shins
his lack of vision
he plays it too safe, a lot of backward passes, he can't play a through ball to the middle even if it's super close. He's too scared to feck up a pass
he's too monotonic and one dimensional
he's a robot
he's no Rafael

what I like about Valencia:
working hard
strong, never pushed off ball
playing for the bedge
always available for a pass to a winger, likes to overlap
amazing stamina and great pace

It's not like that I don't like him he's a good option and perfect squad player, won't bitch out about his playing time and always gives his everything but he has too many average games when he does absolutely nothing, not wanting to feck up. I am not worried that much about his defensive contribution, marking and positioning is horrible at times but we've seen it with other defenders in the league whose primary position is actually fullback.

I hope Mourinho will pump him up and push him to attack more and we will see vintage Valencia, otherwise it will be disappointing at the position, in contrast to the left side where brilliant Shaw plays, Varela is quite unlikely to get many chances as he's still learning, opposite the player what Jose likes, short as well.. Darmian is just fail, surely he will get his chances and will be off in January after Mou finds out that he's not good at anything. Maybe our Alaba gets the chance to play there too even though he'd be better off as midfielder (TFM) Well Micky T will make a difference I guess, running all day helping out in defending too

 

[the unknown one.]

tbh I am actually not satisfied with his attacking side of play, maybe it's because I expect more from him as a former winger..

what I don't like about Valencia:
his crossing to players' shins
his lack of vision
he plays it too safe, a lot of backward passes, he can't play a through ball to the middle even if it's super close. He's too scared to feck up a pass
he's too monotonic and one dimensional
he's a robot
he's no Rafael

what I like about Valencia:
working hard
strong, never pushed off ball
playing for the bedge
always available for a pass to a winger, likes to overlap
amazing stamina and great pace

It's not like that I don't like him he's a good option and perfect squad player, won't bitch out about his playing time and always gives his everything but he has too many average games when he does absolutely nothing, not wanting to feck up. I am not worried that much about his defensive contribution, marking and positioning is horrible at times but we've seen it with other defenders in the league whose primary position is actually fullback.

I hope Mourinho will pump him up and push him to attack more and we will see vintage Valencia, otherwise it will be disappointing at the position, in contrast to the left side where brilliant Shaw plays, Varela is quite unlikely to get many chances as he's still learning, opposite the player what Jose likes, short as well.. Darmian is just fail, surely he will get his chances and will be off in January after Mou finds out that he's not good at anything. Maybe our Alaba gets the chance to play there too even though he'd be better off as midfielder (TFM) Well Micky T will make a difference I guess, running all day helping out in defending too

I agree with most of this, Valencia is not perfect at RB.

However the criticism he receives on this forum is unjust and unfair particularly for a player who has always given everything for United.

LVG selling Rafael was a heinous act. He would die for the shirt.

Bring him home. We sold him for 2 million

 

[JeffBoomTetris]

People should realise that the last 3 seasons have been the worst United history, all things considered.

Next season should be a clean slate for most underperforming players. Let's not be quick to criticize based on 1 season when everyone bar DdG, Martial and Rashford have been average

 

[Full bodied red]

People should realise that the last 3 seasons have been the worst Ue nited history, all things considered.

Next season should be a clean slate for most underperforming players. Let's not be quick to criticize based on 1 season when everyone bar DdG, Martial and Rashford have been average

And there were quite a few games when Martial and Rashford also looked fairly average....Huge talents, and huge potential, but still not at a level where they can be trusted to be better than the others every game....

 

[NoPace]

Swap for Azpilicueta? Conte likes Darmian. Mourinho loves Azpilicueta. Azpilicueta wouldn't do great as a wing-back in a 3-5-2 anyway which Conte will likely utilize.

But player swaps, very unilkely

Conte chose Florenzi at RWB over Darmian all tournament, so I'm not sure he likes Darmian all that much anymore.

 

[JeffBoomTetris]

Huge talents, and huge potential, but still not at a level where they can be trusted to be better than the others every game....

Last season, Martial has played better than expected and then some. Next season, the older players should wise up and take responsibility

 

[Impulse]

Conte chose Florenzi at RWB over Darmian all tournament, so I'm not sure he likes Darmian all that much anymore.

Darmian started the first match, so he was obviously out of the team due to poor form and not because the coach didn't rate him.

 

[NoPace]

Darmian started the first match, so he was obviously out of the team due to poor form and not because the coach didn't rate him.

I just meant that clearly Conte doesn't love him so much that we should assume he'll look to bring him to Chelsea. A lot of decent RBs and ones even better suited for switching between 5 at the back or 4 at the back by virtue of being better attackers than Darmian. Guys like Mario Gaspar, Fabian Johnson and Seamus Coleman are all at selling clubs, for instance.

 

[Mike09]

To me Darmian's performance isn't good enough last season. He's too awful. Valencia is still a better right back, and if people still think he's worse than Darmian as a right back then Im starting to question these people if they even watch Valencia 2014/2015 and Valencia 2015/2016 (towards at the end of season matches after he removed the steel from his feet).

Although Darmian is a specialist right back and Valencia isn't, it shows how awful Darmian was last season when a non specialist right back performs better than him. I will still give him another chance but as a backup player and if somehow he can force himself as a starter I will congrats him. But at the moment I'm more fancy toward Mensah or Valencia since they are better.

 

[Sigma]

I have no problem giving Darmian another season. But people thinking he should start over Valencia in the first match of the season are just mistaken. If he gains his place back then well done to him, but Valencia showed in the last 2 seasons that he is a capable right back, much better than Darmian. Also, Valencia is a Mourinho type of player (strong and fast) and he has also developed into one of the best full backs in the premier league when dealing with 1v1s.

People seem to always say that he's out of position and say that only his pace gets him out of trouble, but he has pace and he is going to use it. You can't just ignore a big part of his game and big part in why he is a good right back. Also, the people who say he's out of position and he only relies on his pace where the same people who were praising TFM for those last ditch tackles when he put himself in those positions because of his naive positioning.