He's rubbish.
Mats Hummels
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One of the most overrated players in the world.
In my view the 2011-2013 version of Mats Hummels was genuine world-class, one of the best CBs in the world. Ever since the CL final loss at Wembley Hummels has shown major inconsistencies in his game.
He started to complain about teammates, the club and looked for errors elsewhere instead of questioning his own performances. I think leaving the cozy Dortmund for a team of world-class players in München, Barcelona or Madrid could reignite a slightly declining career curve and get him back into the conversation of world-class defenders
In München for example we'd simply bench his ass for Boateng/Martinez when he's too lazy to track back with 100% intensity. He needs to get out of an environment that does not challenge him.
I'm convinced he'll then be able to live up to his reputation.
He should have left Dortmund a couple of years ago to take his career to the next level, but he decided to stay and he hasn't improved at all in the last 3 years football or professional wise.
Reus is pretty much in the same situation.
Reus is pretty much in the same situation.
Which is exactly why he isn't world class. Wordl class players make their teammates stronger, Hummels has that "get outa the way, loser, i'll do it myself" attitude.
Even if he drops that attitude, he's no improvement on Boateng/Badstuber/Martinez.
Hope the rumours are untrue, Bayern doesn't need him.
I agree Boateng and Martinez are better, not sure about Badstuber.
Martinez fitness record isn't the best though. Always wonder why Hummels hasn't been played as a #6.
You can say that he is overated, but I prefer him over Stones.
As would I. More and more I see of Stones he looks like he a midfielder played at the back.
God yes.
This would be a reputation signing more than anything. I dont really want those kinds of signings. He has been very poor over the last few years and injury prone too.
So I hope we pass up on him.
So I hope we pass up on him.
I think he is either staying at Dortmund or go to Barca or maybe even Bayern. I don't think he has much interest in joining a PL club at all.
Its not just been the previous season either. Its been for a longer period before that. And the injuries have been for a long period too. I really hope we stay away.
He's not a bad player, but I am not convinced at all.
I don't agree. He wasn't actually poor last season, either. I tried to edit my post but accidentally deleted it.
His mistakes get so much attention every time, for some reason. It's like people never really wanted to believe he's world class, so they looked at every opportunity to point to the opposite. Truth is, he's been one of the best defenders in the world for the past 6 years with a few very short periods of bad form in between. Caftards love to call him overrated, to the extent that, he's quite underrated around here.
He had a lot of injury problems in 2014 but barely any in the last 18 months.
Weren't we here last April? He makes these statements every March-April. What a tit!
I don't agree. He wasn't actually poor last season, either. I tried to edit my post but accidentally deleted it.
His mistakes get so much attention every time, for some reason. It's like people never really wanted to believe he's world class, so they looked at every opportunity to point to the opposite. Truth is, he's been one of the best defenders in the world for the past 6 years with a few very short periods of bad form in between. Caftards love to call him overrated, to the extent that, he's quite underrated around here.
He had a lot of injury problems in 2014 but barely any in the last 18 months.
I'd disagree on that one. Most of the Dortmund fans would too.
I dont have an agenda against him. I have no reason to do so. Quite like Dortmund as club too.
It wasn't his best season. He wasn't good in the first half of it but he had a lot of injury problems that year, as I said, and he usually takes a bit of time after an injury to find form. Also, their entire team was shit in those last months in 2014 and the first of 2015. He had a really good finish of the season though and has carried that form for the last year.
His peak was in 2010-13. After that his overall performance dropped a bit because of mental fatigue and lack of motivation at first, and injuries after that. He's admitted it himself a few times. He still remained a very solid player though. And has improved in the last year.
Don't want him. It increasingly seems like we will buy him, BILD reporting it just as of today, but for 30 million bucks I'm sure there are better possibilities.
I mean, he's 27 already and not nailed on to be a starter. That's not the kind of investment I want to see.
I mean, he's 27 already and not nailed on to be a starter. That's not the kind of investment I want to see.
We still need a CB. This season for once we were lucky those positions were not hit with our usual curse...full back department got that! Our spine on paper is pretty average and a world class CB is one important piece.
That said for me there are a few I'd rather over him and younger too.
He's not that good actually. Boateng for example is a clearly better defender IMO. Maybe it's because he thinks he's too long at Dortmund and lost some intrinsic motivation or something but yeah, still inconsistent at times. Far far away from Rio/Vidic in their primes.
Boateng is head and shoulders above him meanwhile. Re-watch the wc final last 20 minutes, Boateng won it almost singlehandedly and Hummels almost bottled it.
We do and like you said I can think of a few names I would rather over him.
City or Bayern.
Mats' father mentioned a couple of clubs which his son consider capable of fulfilling Mats' footballing ambitions, among them United, City and Chelsea.
I suggest a poll if United fans would welcome Hummels. Can a mod add one? Thanks.
I suggest a poll if United fans would welcome Hummels. Can a mod add one? Thanks.
His Dad mentioned the following clubs:
City, United, Chelsea, Real, Barcelona, Bayern.
He's the defender version of Cavani for me. World class reputation, but I've yet to see him perform well(according to his reputation). Might be harsh, but then I don't watch the German League much.
No. He is like an ersatz version of Blind, who isn't a very good defender either.
I would hate it if joined us and in games went on one of his trademark strolls to the midfield with neither the pace or the desire to come back and help out.
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Hummels had a better wc than Boateng overall. It's a bit easy to compare Boatengs great final against Hummels weak game where he wasn't even fit. Overall he was fantastic in all the other games. Besides the opener against Portugal he single handedly won Germany the game against France.
I rate Boateng highly but there really isn't much between the two. Both have different strengths and weaknesses and complement each other well. This season I would say Hummels has been the best Center back in the League. Last year it was Boateng obviously.
Boateng is the superior player, but the worldcup isn´t a great way to argue for that. Hummels played a fantastic tournament and was the stronger defender with the exception of the final (where he suffered from minor injuries)
He's certainly better than he's is according to the caf.
I appreciate your opinion (though I wonder how often you've watched Dortmund) but would be interested in a poll to get a more comprehensive feedback.
I don't agree. He wasn't actually poor last season, either. I tried to edit my post but accidentally deleted it.
His mistakes get so much attention every time, for some reason. It's like people never really wanted to believe he's world class, so they looked at every opportunity to point to the opposite. Truth is, he's been one of the best defenders in the world for the past 6 years with a few very short periods of bad form in between. Caftards love to call him overrated, to the extent that, he's quite underrated around here.
He had a lot of injury problems in 2014 but barely any in the last 18 months.
Exactly. Fantastic World Cup, brilliant second season half 2013/14 and I think he has been pretty good this year too. Yeah he is inconsistent and has periods where he is error-prone, but he also had tons of great games, where he played at a level not many CBs outthere can reach.
I often have the feeling he gets the whole blame when Dortmund's defence is shit, for example the Liverpool game, where I only read bad things about him when he probably was the best in an absymal defence that day.
He has his flaws and his injuries are an issue for me, but he would improve us without a doubt and 30 million doesn't sound unfair.
City seems like a pretty good fit for him. That Barca CL keeper and Hummels would be well in line with Pep's style of play.
Watched him live recently when Ireland beat Germany. Jonathan Walters won every aerial challenge against him. Would he struggle against the physical sides in England?
I don't think he'd look ay us this summer anyway but its nice we can pretend its our choice
i still wonder about the media coverage. *If* they were already discussing terms, it would be counter-productive of old man Hummels to talk to Bild about it.
My theory is: Some at Bayern want him back, others hesitate, and Hummels wants to put pressure on them. I'd say Rummenigge and Hoeneß can't again withstand the temptation to show the league who's Boss, while Sammer and(or Reschke are hesitant.
Or its just an advertising campaign on Hummels behalf. Hey Bayern, i'm single again... wink wink.
My theory is: Some at Bayern want him back, others hesitate, and Hummels wants to put pressure on them. I'd say Rummenigge and Hoeneß can't again withstand the temptation to show the league who's Boss, while Sammer and(or Reschke are hesitant.
Or its just an advertising campaign on Hummels behalf. Hey Bayern, i'm single again... wink wink.
Seems slow to me and certain prem strikers would make an amateur out of him. However I'd have him everyday over stones. Stones for me is incredibly overrated to a ridiculous level
Indeed.
I'm sure someone like Hummels (jr) cares very much about how the public sees him, so it would make sense to start dropping some hints early in order to soften the blow/outrage when the news finally and truly breaks. SZ (Röckenhaus) who is usually very well informed in all matters regarding Dortmund wrote today that Hummels' decision will most likely be between Dortmund and Bayern, so I guess Dortmund's officials haven't written him off yet.
I agree. Two slow lumps, just perfect.
It's that time of the year again. The annual Bayern poaching of Dortmund's best players.
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