Jenkinson. Bellerin's only played about eight senior matches, none for us.
Mathieu Debuchy
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Don't agree. I think Sagna is quite comfortably the better defender and just as productive going forward, despite not being as dynamic.
Yeah. Actually on second thoughts, Sagna is a better player. But I think Debuchy will look a good player at Arsenal - a team with an actual style of play, and who dominate most of their games. Less isolation, less defending full-stop.
I don't think Newcastle (or their disjointed, mish-mash style) flatters anyone who isn't scoring goals. There are a few good players in there - but in a horrible team.
Don't get me wrong, I think he'll do alright there. Like Alastair has said though, you aren't going to upgrade on Sagna who was an excellent and integral player for them, but I'm very confident he will be nowhere near as influential as Sagna was. Arsenal are a side who have become a far more cohesive and compact side defensively, so his areas of weakness being his positioning and recklessness probably won't be as exposed.
He looked disappointing at Newcastle every time i watched him play. If the Gooners have any ambition at all, he'l only be a sturdy backup plan.
Top fullbacks are hard to replace, not exactly a tonne of them.
That's true enough. I like Arsenal, they operate like a proper club. Replacing a good fullback with another Frenchie, reaks of financial economics. They should be aiming higher imo.
He played well for Newcastle last year and the French are prefering him to Sagna. In his first season at Newcastle I wondered what all the hype was about. Still think it was well over the top, but he's a pretty good RB and a sensible replacement for Sagna
Nonsense. There aren't that many top right backs available and Debuchy is already a seasoned EPL player and starts ahead of Sagna for France. I just don't see where economics is the priority here when it's clear for most who has seen Debuchy play that he's a quality right back. He now has better players at Arsenal to play with and that can only raise his game up a level or two. Sometimes we as fans need to see potential than thinking the fix is always spending a lot of money or getting a ready made replacement. It doesn't always work out the easy way.
Who though?
Debuchy knows the league, knows some players and is experienced. He should have no trouble in adapting with the move and I daresay he will be a lot more motivated playing for us than Newcastle.
For the price touted I think this is a good deal. I wish he was as solid as Sagna though, but there aren't any RB's available that are ATM.
It seems that Juanfran has been Wenger's first choice but he would cost a bomb.
I'm sure if Debuchy wasn't French, Wenger wouldn't be going anywhere near him. He might be a decent defender but he's incredibly wasteful going forward. Football is a weird sport at times and like you said he could step up his game with better players around him. He didn't look all that for the French national team, so i have my doubts. Personally, i think the price reflects his level. Maybe it's just a case of Wenger concentrating on other areas of the pitch with this Summers transfer budget.
I hear this being said all the time about being PL proven. Of course players need a little time to settle in to their surroundings but it's only a minor detail when determining what level a player is at. He'll do a job for Arsenal i'm sure, bur he won't be pulling up tree's or anything imo.
Why not Aurier?
You obviously are a bit naïve as to how things work. You'd find Spanish managers going for Spanish players and French managers preferring French players...it's a language thing. And it will always be easier for Wenger to woo French players as he's held in very high esteem in France and French players do look up to him. As I said, Debuchy playing for a better club like Arsenal and training with a better manager and players there will only make him a better player. The price of a player these days hardly reflect whether that said player is going to be an asset to a squad or not. You need to give players a chance and make your assessment then. In contrast, if he went out and bought a right back for 15 to 20 million it would have been no guarantee that the money represented quality to the team.
Maybe because Aurier would need some time to get used to the league and Debuchy is already an EPL player and is better at defending. Aurier is much better going forward and maybe Wenger can work on that easier than sorting out the defensive side of Debuchy.
Edit: The French league is nothing compared to the EPL when it comes to the work needed by a wing back. You have to defend a lot more in the EPL, the French league produces really attacking wing backs.
Full backs, like strikers, are just not a fashionable position right now. This is a much better signing than Aurier (which I always considered unlikely despite the airtime) simply because a) he's not going to the African Cup of Nations b) he's experienced in this division.
It's obviously not a massively inspiring one but it's difficult to see what else Wenger could have done.
It strikes me that Bellerin is the guy Wenger fancies long-term for the slot so this is just a 2 season fill-in, with which I can deal.
It's obviously not a massively inspiring one but it's difficult to see what else Wenger could have done.
It strikes me that Bellerin is the guy Wenger fancies long-term for the slot so this is just a 2 season fill-in, with which I can deal.
I fully understand the reasons behind managers choosing people with the same Nationality as themselves. Sometimes they can be blinded by their lack of qualities, or on the flip side see qualities other managers can't. It won't be the First time iv'e been wrong about a player, but imo i just don't see Debuchy reaching the levels Arsenal should be aiming for. He's 28 too. If he's going to improve under Wenger it'll have to be from day One.
I'm a 'give the player a chance' sort of guy. I realize in the age of Football Manager fans attach quality and value of a player to a team with money; I'm old school and just don't see it that way most of the time. And Wenger does have an impeccable track record of making players better. It's no secret why a lot of his ex players look up to him as a manager.
He's a bit meh going defensively and going forward imo. A downgrade on Sagna for me. Better than Jenkinson who I think is awful, though my Arsenal mates were tweeting about some other lad they have so this signing might make a bit more sense.
He's been pretty medicore in his time in England so far, and is far from perfect defensively. But I agree with @alastair. I'm not sure what else Wenger could have done since he clearly wants to try and retain some of the experience that served them pretty well defensively last season.
Meh.
Aye, that's all we can do as football fans i suppose. At least give the guy a chance to prove himself. It just seems like a downgrade from Sagna. City have certainly been a cash rich thorn in your sides of late. Arsenal would of won the league by now it wasn't for City doubling every cnuts wages who has a good season in the PL. That's another story altogether though.
Decent full-back, nothing more.
Aye, that's all we can do as football fans i suppose. At least give the guy a chance to prove himself. It just seems like a downgrade from Sagna. City have certainly been a cash rich thorn in your sides of late. Arsenal would of won the league by now it wasn't for City doubling every cnuts wages who has a good season in the PL. That's another story altogether though.
We as fans forget these players are human and would make decisions similar to us based on the same factors. If you can do what you're doing now at double the salary you'd tell your current employers to piss off. These guys are being paid do to what they love...play football. and at the end of the day, not all of them develop this affection we fans have to a club. More money comes along, they'd think about it in an instant. They have to see about their nest egg and families when they retire.
Some article that I haven't read but that some Gooners reckon explains it all:
http://news.arseblog.com/2014/07/wh...argets-from-aurier-to-debuchy-by-the-numbers/
http://news.arseblog.com/2014/07/wh...argets-from-aurier-to-debuchy-by-the-numbers/