Jesus Christ man contain your bed wetting.
Matheus Cunha £62.5m release clause
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Yeah he only had 0.5xg and 0.23 xA so the goal and assists don't count obviously.
He walked today, again. All over Leicester.
That happened earlier in the thread.
Not sure how you could possibly read that as “bed wetting”, but carry on!
Newcastle I think, and a lower table side
Not too sure why there's such insecurity of those other teams. I mean, if you believe the journos, we're at advanced stages. Don't think we can possibly go any quicker in this respect.
Buying an asset for £62million isn't exactly something you rush. If we want him, and he wants us, it will happen. If not, we move on to other targets - no biggie.
I just think there are very few players that would give us what he would, which is consistent danger and ball carrying, even when the team is dysfunctional or not playing well. I just think he would be transformative.
I find the odd aggressive dismissal of statistics because it's a player you want to sign very strange. And the whole point of using statistics is that you don't need to come in and say he over-performed in one game so it doesn't count.
If anyone actually bothered to watch the game I think there was some interesting stuff, his goal was actually really good positioning, his 2 assists were great direct counter attacks but you can count the number of those chances we've had since Amorim came in on one hand.
If anyone actually bothered to watch the game I think there was some interesting stuff, his goal was actually really good positioning, his 2 assists were great direct counter attacks but you can count the number of those chances we've had since Amorim came in on one hand.
That’s my point exactly, if we don’t do anything and let him run out his contract (or renew him) he’ll cost us £16m a year in amortization the next 2 years. If we sell him in the summer he’ll only cost us £7m this year (sales value less book value) if we sell him for £25m, and nothing the year after. That means that we can buy a new player that will have £16 - £7m = £9m in amortization cost next year and come out equal. To me that seems to be much better than letting him go on loan for another year with partial wage coverage. That just delays necessary changes we need to make to the squad. Of course, if we get less for him than the remaining book value -1 year amortization, it would just be detrimental to our financial flexibility this year. Not sure exactly what the situation is with their respective book values but those are the principles (I think, until someone who understands this better tells me otherwise
)Yeah but what was his xG and did he exceed it? That's the most important part.
I don't know if the statistics show otherwise but I feel like we've had a lot which have been ruined by poor decision making and lack of quality.
We had a few more under Ten Hag, but we're the 4th slowest with the 7th most passes in terms of progressing up the field (and I'm pretty sure that's being pulled up by Ten Hag's time here). We essentially just don't do it anymore.
Just left Molineux. I know it was just a condemned Leicester, but another masterclass by Cunha. Showed his individual brilliance with the first goal, and then showed his unselfish team play with the assists for the second and third goals.
We know he is too good for us, but will enjoy the memories. Look after him if he comes to United... he needs love and nurturing.
We know he is too good for us, but will enjoy the memories. Look after him if he comes to United... he needs love and nurturing.
We're terrible at them when we do (and were under Ten Hag too)
I was very impressed when we beat Wolves one nil, was it first match of last season, and again this season Wolves away he was beating our players for fun. Very rarely does many players take the micky out of our team like this. Would very much welcome this signing.
Him and Cherki would increase our bottom level very much. I would be tempted to buy Cunha and try him as a striker and play Amad and Cherki on the sides of him. I am not very impressed by Delap and believe it would be another Hojlund like project which has obvious flaws and likely to fail, Cherki is well rounded, technically excellent and very good in short spaces, which will help us dominate and break low blocks.
Him and Cherki would increase our bottom level very much. I would be tempted to buy Cunha and try him as a striker and play Amad and Cherki on the sides of him. I am not very impressed by Delap and believe it would be another Hojlund like project which has obvious flaws and likely to fail, Cherki is well rounded, technically excellent and very good in short spaces, which will help us dominate and break low blocks.
We tried him as a striker under both Lopetegui and O'Neil. Didn't work at all (perhaps because of the other players around him), and he became visibly frustrated.
Was waiting for that
It was also one of the things that made him come unstuck at Atletico. It's not his game, you have to get him on the ball as early as possible vs a defence that isn't set to get the best out of him.
That’s my point exactly, if we don’t do anything and let him run out his contract (or renew him) he’ll cost us £16m a year in amortization the next 2 years. If we sell him in the summer he’ll only cost us £7m this year (sales value less book value) if we sell him for £25m, and nothing the year after. That means that we can buy a new player that will have £16 - £7m = £9m in amortization cost next year and come out equal. To me that seems to be much better than letting him go on loan for another year with partial wage coverage. That just delays necessary changes we need to make to the squad. Of course, if we get less for him than the remaining book value -1 year amortization, it would just be detrimental to our financial flexibility this year. Not sure exactly what the situation is with their respective book values but those are the principles (I think, until someone who understands this better tells me otherwise
The original point though was that selling him for £25 million now will leave us with less in the kitty this year, and this summer we need as much as possible, we might not have the funds for this £9 million amortisation player if we have a £7 million loss from Antony to factor in, and we need that player now.
So if we loan Antony this season we don't have a loss of £7 million for this summer, and next summer he will only owe us £16 million, so it should be easier to sell him without a loss even factoring in the one year left on his contract.
Haha, it only works one way for certain posters.
@Dion
Out of curiosity, do you think there's anything much to be read into the types of chances he tends to convert (as below).
Out of curiosity, do you think there's anything much to be read into the types of chances he tends to convert (as below).
stats or no stats he’s on the verge of levelling up
A player like him needs plenty of touches on the ball. As a striker, he'll get 20 to 25 on average per 90 mins.
In the role, he'll get at least 40 to 45, his current rate. I'd expect that to go up when he plays for a more dominant team. He'll be wasted as a striker.
Joint record Brazilian goal scorer in the Premier League. Likely, he will hold the record by the end of the season.
Players who take lots of low chance shots will naturally have a higher variance than those who take fewer consistently good quality shots, this tracks that.
It's something teams need to think about too, if you are against an opponent you expect to beat comfortably then it's better to try and manufacture good quality chances as if you expect to score 3 goals and concede 1, then doing this you'll win the majority of matches. Against a team who you aren't expecting to beat it's better to take a higher number of shots in the hope you "high-roll".
Any chance he could play as a WB in some games? I haven't seen enough of him, only highlights and the games against us really. But it was his ball carrying from deep that impressed me most.
I'm just worried that if he's our new 10 then we're not going to have anyone with blistering pace up front. If he can play some games in the wide role, it leaves us with the space in the squad to get another 10 as well, a pacier one.
Maybe I'm over playing the need for speed. Cunha and Amad are both quite quick. I just think that's what we're missing most of all in Amorim's front line. Someone who can run beyond the striker on a regular basis.
I'm just worried that if he's our new 10 then we're not going to have anyone with blistering pace up front. If he can play some games in the wide role, it leaves us with the space in the squad to get another 10 as well, a pacier one.
Maybe I'm over playing the need for speed. Cunha and Amad are both quite quick. I just think that's what we're missing most of all in Amorim's front line. Someone who can run beyond the striker on a regular basis.
Cunha is already guaranteed to leave with the clause he wanted, so it is weird how his reps keep leaking his links to Man Utd to Fab & Co. Seems unnecessary and is winding up a lot of Wolves fans as they consider it disrespectful. We know you are leaving, but leave with some class please.
A few Wolves fans I spoke to today think its a deliberate strategy to get other clubs interested - a FOMO of sorts - as his recent reputation may have scared off some of the other big clubs. As Wolves fans, we would be surprised if he went to United as he has talked about wanting to win trophies. IMO, he could walk into any of the global teams - he is that good (on his day). No offence, but there are other teams where this is more likely than United at the current time. No wonder United want to get this done ASAP.
I still have a sneaking feeling he will go to Arsenal.
A few Wolves fans I spoke to today think its a deliberate strategy to get other clubs interested - a FOMO of sorts - as his recent reputation may have scared off some of the other big clubs. As Wolves fans, we would be surprised if he went to United as he has talked about wanting to win trophies. IMO, he could walk into any of the global teams - he is that good (on his day). No offence, but there are other teams where this is more likely than United at the current time. No wonder United want to get this done ASAP.
I still have a sneaking feeling he will go to Arsenal.
That tells us he's letting fly from improbable positions more frequently, not suprised considering the responsibility he has in that wolves team. The suprising part is the level of success he's having with those shots. Seems to be getting better as well!
It's valid to wonder if this level of success will remain or will if he return to the average.
Based on his technique, I'd expect him to stay above average but not by as much as he is right now.
Regardless, he's still twice the player someone like garnacho is right now.
Dude, that’s the point. We get rid of £16m this year in amortization that we would otherwise have on our books by selling Antony. That £16m restricts our maneuverability this summer. If we could get rid of that we could buy a player for £80m (5 years amortization * £16m lower cost). Then we have to factor in whatever the net result of the sale is. If that is equal to the remaining book value (let’s say £32m for sale of argument), great! Then we’re not making a loss on the sale. If it’s less, you have to factor in the difference, but it will give us more space in our PSR budget as long as the difference is less than the amortization cost would have been (£16m).
So as long as we sell him for more than £16m, a sale gives us more in the kitty for this summer not less.
For Højlund I think the threshold is a little higher because he’s only been here 2 years, so he has 3 years more amortization value on our balance sheet.
Edit: to add, you say if we loan him we don’t have a loss of £7m this summer. Yes that’s right, instead we have a cost if £16m in amortization. Just because we’ve loaned him to someone else doesn’t change the fact that he’s still our asset that we have to amortize.
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I think you may be over thinking this one mate. He's let him play there. Amad on the other hand is more of a tweener. If we get a CM like Ederson, I'd expect Amad to move to the RWB with Bruno and Cunha as the 10s.
We do win trophies.
Well I trust the manager to know the needs of his system better than me, of course. But it just strikes me that if we're not surrounding our new CF with some pace then they're going to need to do a hell of a lot themselves. Strikers that can do it all are in short supply.
Journalists will put out stories about united every day of the week. They'll rehash the same story over and over for weeks and just plain old make up developments. I wouldn't worry about it too much - its just noise and hot air, it doesn't make any meaningful difference.
"This summer" is the 25/26 accounting year, which is next season. Selling Antony for £25m is a 7m loss, keeping him is a 16m loss plus wages.
What you say sounds right, I'd mentally blocked out this years cost, happy to be put straight.
Hopefully we can get shut of him.
I'm not sure how anyone can watch him and not think he dramatically improves us.
Great player.
Great player.
We’ve won the cup just last season
I think a lot of people might need to come to terms that United are still a draw to their players.
Won more trophies in the last 2 years than Arsenal have won in the last 8 years. We're 3 matches away from playing in the Champions League next season too.