Also, Mount is never going to be a top class no.10. He can be a very good 8 though I think.
Mason Mount
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Thing that is most impressive about Mount is his mentality. He never lets his head drop and always gives 100%. On top of that, he usually makes the right decisions.
For me, there is no point comparing him to Grealish as he is about four years younger. Grealish also wasn't pulling up trees when he was 22 as he was playing Champo football.
As for Foden, I would say he is more technically talented but skill/technical ability doesn't always beat out the type of drive Mount has (although if Foden starts to display a similar drive, then he should be better.)
For me, there is no point comparing him to Grealish as he is about four years younger. Grealish also wasn't pulling up trees when he was 22 as he was playing Champo football.
As for Foden, I would say he is more technically talented but skill/technical ability doesn't always beat out the type of drive Mount has (although if Foden starts to display a similar drive, then he should be better.)
? You sure he didn't sign for us ???I don't remember Gerrard playing in a league winning side
Why did he set Drogba up then ?
? You sure he didn't sign for us ???
Why did he set Drogba up then ?
Wasn't it Ba?
Actually I was on about where he set up Drogba at Anfield to clinch us the title basically. Forgot about that time he set up ba. Or when he scored in the league Cup final for us.
Seriously are we sure he didn't sign for us???
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Developing into a quality player.
Apparently there is a Premier League award called 'Academy Graduate Award' which recognises homegrown excellence - players who came up through a club’s academy and successfully made the transition to senior first-team football before the age of 23.
A relatively new award, TAA won the first of it's kind in 2019, Rashford won it in 2020 and Mount has now won the 2021 edition ahead of Foden, Greenwood, Rice, Luke Thomas and Reece James.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/2160743
A relatively new award, TAA won the first of it's kind in 2019, Rashford won it in 2020 and Mount has now won the 2021 edition ahead of Foden, Greenwood, Rice, Luke Thomas and Reece James.
https://www.premierleague.com/news/2160743
Quite interesting how many talents are going through the ranks of their boyhood clubs these days in the EPL. That wasn't always the case. England is doing a brilliant job in regards to youth development right now. This looks like a true golden generation in the making.
I just wish we could get some world class talent where we need it now (CB and DM/CM). We are seriously stacked in attacking talent and even the wing backs/full backs.
traditionally England have had strong keepers, centre backs and central midfielders. This is now our weaknesses.
In CM you have Bellingham, Rice and theoretically Mount or Grealish. Thibk this is still very good. CB is a bit tougher. What about Gomez, Tomori or even Reece James? You've got so many RBs anyway.
Think Reece is a bit on the short side for CB. Also doesn’t really suit his strengths. He is one of the best crossers in the league and pretty much stronger than every winger out there. Perhaps in the back end of his career he could do a job.
It's definitely exciting times.
He is quite enjoyable to watch.
If you had to describe the way he plays by an ex player or legend - who would it be?
If you had to describe the way he plays by an ex player or legend - who would it be?
Good question.
Although I will get slaughtered for it: I was thinking about that when watching him this run-in at Chelsea that he reminds me a bit on Messi - minus being the outerworldly scoring machine or extreme dribbler. The way he keeps his composure even when "bullied" by bigger players, making next to no "easy" mistakes and uses his technique as well as space/time to go past multiple opponents is extremely impressive imho - also his passes are top notch and at times extremely sublime.Very mature/understanding way of playing the game as well as being very versatile. He's of course nowehere near being a "young" Messi and will never be since he has also some other aspects to his game (relentless work-rate against the ball for example) that distinguish him.
Kaka?
Lingard.
So he's not a dribbler nor a goalscorer but being small and able to hold off defenders makes him a lot like Messi?
Seems more like a better version of Park to me. Relentless work rate, always retains the balls and has some skill to boot. But he has more quality than park.
I think he’s a bit like Nedved. A bundle of energy, very well rounded, very direct, two footed, versatile. I’d be surprised if he ended up anywhere near as good though.
I was actually about to write Lingard instead of Park but then realized that Mount is best in the buildup phase whereas Lingard isn't.
He reminds me of Rui Costa quite a bit. Similar in terms of quality on the ball, similar heights and builds - Mount definitely the better workrate though.
Great comparison. But nowhere near as talented. Stylistically similar. Nedved was a special player. But Mount really impressed in how few errors he makes and how he plays with a purpose.
I said not an "extreme" dribbler, yes. But of course he can dribble and is very good at that - hence my comparison - and uses it in a very mature way with it being not an end in itsel. He also knows how to score and I'd argue that if he played in a similiar role as Messi he'd score way more (goals+assists) as he's doing for Chelsea.
But Nedved/Iniesta is polly the much better shout.
My memory might be a little fuzzy but somehow he reminds me of young Schweinsteiger, before he started playing as CM
He's like if Lingard could be at his best consistently. Lingard has the ability, but has rarely been able to string it together on a consistent basis. Even when he hit the ground running at West Ham, his form slipped shortly after. Mount just kept getting better as the season went on, which is a period of development I don't think Lingard ever had. Mount is perhaps more of a playmaker where as Lingard is better playing off the striker, but both have a similar style on the ball, holding off bigger defenders, quick and agile around the edge of the box. Both have high work rate too. But Mount is already the better player.
I’ve seen him a few times now and I just don’t get it
Maybe to others he is a quality player. But he’s not my sort of player at all
Maybe to others he is a quality player. But he’s not my sort of player at all
In fairness I don’t know what Nedved was doing at Mount’s age. Lampard described him as someone who absorbs the coaching lessons and is very keen to learn, humble but courageous, and he expects that development path to continue. I can believe that for Mount and it wouldn’t surprise me if Nedved followed a similar trajectory. But yeah a long way to go because Nedved was special, one of my absolute favourites at his peak. Mount is still too often a nearly player for me, he offers a lot to the team but those moments of magic that Nedved pulled off, Mount just almost pulls them off.
Yeah, exactly what I was going to say. He's an excellent all rounder any manager would love to have in their team.
But he probably just lacks that creative flair to be a top level number 10 or attacking midfielder.
Even during his season at Derby, it was usually Harry Wilson in the front three/four who would come up with a moment of magic to turn games for them.
I would actually say a good comparison would be Pedro.
Won't be the big star in a team himself but can fit in with them without looking remotely out of place.
Won't be the big star in a team himself but can fit in with them without looking remotely out of place.
I think most people can appreciate how good he is but because he's not a flashy player he'll always get criticism from the twitter type football fans. He doesn't really have an obvious weakness and he excels at many different things that must make him a dream to play with. He offers such an all round balance to any side he plays in, the only thing people can really criticise is his final outputs in terms of goals and assists but that will come, he's still young.
If any player is going to improve it will be Mount. He's a totally dedicated professional. I can see him becoming a 20-30 goal as season player.
Based on his England game - you mean?
I found him quite average.
He is 22 years old though. He plays in positions that are extremely difficult to master at a young age. It is not like putting a speedy teenager out on the wing and just tell him to attack the FB. He plays complicated roles with dual responsibilities. He is vital to the tactical setup and must be disciplined at all times. At his age, he is ahead of the competition. There is a reason Messi lauded him.
I think it’s mostly rallying against the bizarre overrating of him. For example.
I mean, he’s a 1 in 6 player. It’s also stomach churning to listen to commentators in every game he plays.
As long as he keeps the same attitude he had to break into the team he will be fine. No secret his dad wanted him leave because he was worried about his chances here but he had his mind set on making it here and put the effort in to do so.
Why is no one saying Lampard? He's a clone of Lampard to me. Apart from the goals of course but that will come with experience.
On the BBC side there's a clear message to be as overly positive as possible about everything. I love a bit of positive thinking but there should also be constructive commentary on what we could/should do better. Kane not in the game at all, Mount also relatively side lined by our tactics in my opinion. The win is really all that matters but you'd think Southgate just masterminded us hammering France or something.
Because not many people see that comparison?
hes actually scored more than lampard did in his 1st 100 games for chelsea
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...-100-chelsea-games-compare-to-frank-lampards/
Mason Mount
Games: 100
Starts: 83
Sub appearances: 17
Goals: 16
Assists: 13
Penalties scored: 1
Minutes per goal: 461.1
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 491.8
Minutes per goal or assist: 254.4
Frank Lampard
Games: 100
Starts: 94
Sub appearances: 6
Goals: 15
Assists: 7
Penalties scored: 0
Minutes per goal: 568
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 568
Minutes per goal or assist: 387.2
I honestly think Mount is a cracking player... if he was called Mason De Mount or Mountiniho he might actually be recognised for it... Clearly united will never sign him but Id take him over pogba to be honest.
It’s the same in Premier League games. He’s a good player, but you’d think he was Kevin De Bruyne the way they go on. Who’s another player it can be hard to listen to commentators eulogising about. He’s semi earned it at least.
What is Lampard without goals?