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criticalanalysis said:
I'm not even joking but this would be the biggest question mark over ETH (if he is involved heavily with the transfer) for me ALL season. I wasn't even this 'bothered' after the 7-0.

I'm genuinely baffled at the fees and wages quoted. He's not a bad player but to actively make him a priority signing that will eat a large portion of our budget?!

If it does go through and he performs, I'd happily eat humble pie etc but fecking double yikes.
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Spouting.

You nor anybody here knows the budget, nor do they know that he is a priority signing...

Could it be just he's an easy one to make as he's already 1 foot out of the door.

Claiming this is worse than a 7-0 stuffing to pool is far more baffling than signing a still relatively young midfielder who has proven his talent, far more so than Scott McTominay and DvB.
 
Better than Fred and Mctominay imo. If we get him and Rabiot to replace McFred we get a lot better...
 
Dominos said:
Whether it's a 433 and 4231, it's a question of balance.

Bruno is about as pure as an attacking midfielder as you're likely to get, whether he's playing as one of two 8s, or as a number 10. Which means the 2nd number 8 in your midfield should be someone who complements Bruno, with Bruno being a highly attacking player with fairly poor ball retention who is not very physically imposing.

The ideal number 8 to play alongside Bruno would surely be someone who is on the side of defensively responsible, physically imposing, and has very good ball retention. The problem with Mount is he's spent basically his entire career playing Bruno's role himself, or even the role of a wide attacker. He has always been the most attacking player of any midfield he has played in, and we're bringing him in to play alongside one of the most pure attacking midfielders in world football in Bruno. Mount will be expected to collect the ball from deeper than he's ever been asked to do and to do more defensive work in his own half than he's ever been asked to do. I just find it hard to believe of all the midfielders we've scouted on the planet, he's the best profile of player to displace Eriksen in our starting 11.

I hope I'm as wrong about this as I was about Martinez to be fair.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you fully, but no offence intended I think you are limiting your scope to solely the midfield as an isolated unit. Yes, in a vacuum I think you'd want someone more defensively-minded beside Bruno and Casemiro, but I just don't think you can look solely at the midfield without the broader context of the team.

Here's my perception of your team currently - you are playing 4 players who have a realistic ceiling of being only average technically and in terms of their passing: De Gea, AWB (and/or Dalot, albeit to a lesser extent), Varane, and Casemiro. Given that your structure in buildup may basically be Licha by himself surrounded by limited options on either side, surely it makes sense to give him additional players in front who can drop deep to receive the ball and combine? I'd be far less concerned about a midfield that is more focused on attacking when there remains an elite elite ball winning DM and defenders who will naturally prefer to sit deep and sweep up to limit opposing transitions.
 
Looks like mount might be this summers de jong which would be underwhelming
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I just think there's potentially excellent synergy between Rashford pushing forward on the left and Mount exploiting space from the LCM area. I find the reactions in this thread to be completely baffling, to be quite honest.
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Yeah. He’s a good player, no doubt. He’s not exciting exactly but I am excited to see how EtH uses him. He will improve us in one way or another, I’m sure.
 
OrcaFat said:
Yeah. He’s a good player, no doubt. He’s not exciting exactly but I am excited to see how EtH uses him. He will improve us in one way or another, I’m sure.
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I think this is the nail on the head - he's not flashy at all but I do not understand how anyone can argue against multiple years of evidence that he's an effective player.
 
His dribbling and press resistance ability leaves a lot to be desired. Not sure if we are making a correct decision. Hopefully he isnt our only signing in CM
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I just think there's potentially excellent synergy between Rashford pushing forward on the left and Mount exploiting space from the LCM area. I find the reactions in this thread to be completely baffling, to be quite honest.
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I don't think it's baffling really.

Before we were linked to Mount, I don't think anyone was saying the perfect midfielder to partner with Casemiro and Bruno is a player who has spent his entire career as the most advanced and attacking midfielder in his team, and sometimes as a wide attacker.

Mount has been linked with Liverpool for months, and I've never seen anyone suggest we should hijack the deal and bring him in to partner alongside Bruno and Casemiro. Why is that?

The problem is Mount is going to have to come in and collect the ball from a deep midfield position more than he's ever had to do before, and do more defensive work in his own half than he's ever had to do before. And we don't truly know if he can do it to an elite level, because he's never actually been asked to do it consistently. It's never been his role in the team, he's always been playing Bruno's position for Chelsea and England, or he's been stuck out wide. Now, that doesn't mean he can't do it. I hope he can. But I've just never seen any evidence he can do it to the level we desire, because he's simply never done it.

If we're asking Mount to come in and play the same role he's done at Chelsea, but alongside Bruno, then I expect that will be suicidal and Casemiro will be hung out to dry.
 
What’s he like passing wise? Is he creative or more or a dribbler?
 
This is in danger of going the same way as de jong last season. Thinking we’re taking advantage of a clubs financial challenges and ending up with egg on faces.
 
friendlytramp said:
This is in danger of going the same way as de jong last season. Thinking we’re taking advantage of a clubs financial challenges and ending up with egg on faces.
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It's literally the opposite to De Jong. We agreed a fee with Barca, not the player who never wanted the move.
 
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Berbaclass said:
It's literally the opposite to De Jong. We agreed a fee with Barca, not the player who never wanted the move.
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No it’s not bellendclass. Think we’re on to a winner then turns out we’re not. Trying to be smart and then missing out. Literally the opposite of the opposite.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Spouting.

You nor anybody here knows the budget, nor do they know that he is a priority signing...

Could it be just he's an easy one to make as he's already 1 foot out of the door.

Claiming this is worse than a 7-0 stuffing to pool is far more baffling than signing a still relatively young midfielder who has proven his talent, far more so than Scott McTominay and DvB.
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He's not going to come for free or be on small wages. Rabiot is an 'easy' one to make because it's a free transfer albeit probably on 'high' wages but his profile makes the most sense for a team that wants to be more in control next season; it's literally what ETH has been saying. The 7-0 and the other various away game losses have unfortunately be fairly consistent and whilst that particular game was horrendous, it wasn't that 'bothering' to me as a one off because of all the other tangible progress we've made. In fact, it's games like those that make me more baffled by this signing; much of our success is due to our low block defending, counter pressing and the tendency to let teams come at us, so we can play an open game (for more transitions). It's been a pragmatic approach this season but a Mount signing is just another side step in that direction.

Unless we're signing another two midfielders (a more defensive minded Casemiro cover/partner and/or another solid playmaker), on top of a striker and a keeper then Mount is absolutely eating into the budget if the reports are true. My biggest issue is explained below:

Dominos said:
The problem is Mount is going to have to come in and collect the ball from a deep midfield position more than he's ever had to do before, and do more defensive work in his own half than he's ever had to do before. And we don't truly know if he can do it to an elite level, because he's never actually been asked to do it consistently. It's never been his role in the team, he's always been playing Bruno's position for Chelsea and England, or he's been stuck out wide. Now, that doesn't mean he can't do it. I hope he can. But I've just never seen any evidence he can do it to the level we desire, because he's simply never done it.

If we're asking Mount to come in and play the same role he's done at Chelsea, but alongside Bruno, then I expect that will be suicidal and Casemiro will be hung out to dry.
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Like I said, happy to eat humble pie next year but unless we have a super successful and productive summer transfer market (hitting all the right targets and profile of players) along with another evolution of ETH's coaching, on paper this just sounds like a strange first signing.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
I reckon it was emblematic of you trying to force an argument but not really knowing what you’re talking about.
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My argument was that John O'Shea and Mount are incomparable as football players other than totally superficial reasons. That is what I was talking about and I'm pretty sure I know it. Also definitely not trying to force an argument as I'm pretty sure there isn't any logical argument that O'Shea and Mount are comparable in any way other than from being versitile and born within a few hours of eachother.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
The man who brought in, and regularly started Wout Weghorst…

The man who wanted Arnoutavic…

Mount might well be a great signing, but ETH has already made some very questionable transfers and requests.
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And martinez and casemiro and Eriksen and got rashford in his best form ? And got us back to cl

go to bed mate
 
SirScholes said:
And martinez and casemiro and Eriksen and got rashford in his best form ? And got us back to cl

go to bed mate
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This is why I'm not too bothered about this Mount signing. I don't think you can judge Mount based on his performances this season especially considering the drastic differences in some of our own players performances last season. Chelsea are in more of a mess than we were last season not one of their players have had a good season. Kovacic has been terrible for example but Pep still wants him...
 
UnitedSofa said:
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Obviously a Chelsea brief but seeing as they only have 29 days to balance the books they’re not really in control of the situation like they’d like.

the_cliff said:
Better than Fred and Mctominay imo. If we get him and Rabiot to replace McFred we get a lot better...
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Mount and Rabiot wouldn’t cost much more than we’d get selling McTominay and Fred either to be honest.

Berbaclass said:
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If we managed to get £30-£40 million for Maguire or off a deal for Mount it’d probably be up there with the best business we’ve done post Fergie.
 
I’ll be honest, he’s not a player that I’d be targeting if it was my decision. But I trust the managers judgement. Mount will bring an incredible amount of energy to the midfield and he’s shown himself to be a competent scorer and assist maker in previous seasons for Chelsea.
 
davidmichael said:
Obviously a Chelsea brief but seeing as they only have 29 days to balance the books they’re not really in control of the situation like they’d like.
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Not sure anyone else is in more control than Chelsea in this scenario. Mount will not be the first to go and they will try and convince him up until the last minute to stay. Colwill, Chalobah and Gallagher will likely go before him and raise a fair wedge. They have no incentive to resolve the mount situation quickly, unless we're going to pay their valuation.
 
Lash said:
Not sure anyone else is in more control than Chelsea in this scenario. Mount will not be the first to go and they will try and convince him up until the last minute to stay. Colwill, Chalobah and Gallagher will likely go before him and raise a fair wedge. They have no incentive to resolve the mount situation quickly, unless we're going to pay their valuation.
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Ah there seems a lot of chatter about his exit for a while now. He might be pushing to go. They will not want unhappy players in what is already a messy camp.
 
SirScholes said:
And martinez and casemiro and Eriksen and got rashford in his best form ? And got us back to cl

go to bed mate
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No need to start being personal / bitchy. It only shows off your own limitations.

I’ve acknowledged, repeatedly, the great job ETH has done. If you think that means it somehow negates any criticism of his mistakes, or any concerns about his decisions then that’s great - but don’t hold others to the same limitations you have.

Hopefully Mount is a great signing if he comes to Utd, but it’s an eyebrow raiser based on Utd’s purported budget, and what the squad blatantly needs.
 
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moses said:
Ah there seems a lot of chatter about his exit for a while now. He might be pushing to go. They will not want unhappy players in what is already a messy camp.
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While that may be true, I still don't think that means they wrap it up quickly. For all we know they could be selling a load of players to fund his renewal. It's similar to the Kane scenario, where there's no real incentive to make it easy for a rival to buy one of your players.
 
Lash said:
While that may be true, I still don't think that means they wrap it up quickly. For all we know they could be selling a load of players to fund his renewal. It's similar to the Kane scenario, where there's no real incentive to make it easy for a rival to buy one of your players.
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Anything is possible. We know feck all one way or another.
 
friendlytramp said:
This is in danger of going the same way as de jong last season. Thinking we’re taking advantage of a clubs financial challenges and ending up with egg on faces.
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Unless Chelsea invent their own iberian microclimate, start running the club more along the lines of a religious cult, and annually invent baroque financial instruments to avoid addressing a debt akin to a central african state's GDP, then they're nothing much like Barcelona...
 
Red Shorts said:
Which begs the question: why does this thread title say "personal terms agreed"? I have tried scrolling back for which source stated this but found nothing
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Aye, but even if it's true, it only takes the club to dig in to feck it up. Could be done in days or it could be a FDJ saga in reverse with the player saying yes and the club saying no.
 
moses said:
Aye, but even if it's true, it only takes the club to dig in to feck it up. Could be done in days or it could be a FDJ saga in reverse with the player saying yes and the club saying no.
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Yeah agreed with that.

I personally feel very little about this deal. Like your previous post I quoted, we know feck all so no idea what the actual feel could end up being, but if we dont come to an agreement I feel little will be lost here.

IF the reported transfer budget is true of around £100m (excluding sales), then I would not be keen on using half of it on Mount. Again, who the feck knows!
 
Dominos said:
I don't think it's baffling really.

Before we were linked to Mount, I don't think anyone was saying the perfect midfielder to partner with Casemiro and Bruno is a player who has spent his entire career as the most advanced and attacking midfielder in his team, and sometimes as a wide attacker.

Mount has been linked with Liverpool for months, and I've never seen anyone suggest we should hijack the deal and bring him in to partner alongside Bruno and Casemiro. Why is that?

The problem is Mount is going to have to come in and collect the ball from a deep midfield position more than he's ever had to do before, and do more defensive work in his own half than he's ever had to do before. And we don't truly know if he can do it to an elite level, because he's never actually been asked to do it consistently. It's never been his role in the team, he's always been playing Bruno's position for Chelsea and England, or he's been stuck out wide. Now, that doesn't mean he can't do it. I hope he can. But I've just never seen any evidence he can do it to the level we desire, because he's simply never done it.

If we're asking Mount to come in and play the same role he's done at Chelsea, but alongside Bruno, then I expect that will be suicidal and Casemiro will be hung out to dry.
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Because again, people are looking at your midfield in isolation instead of how it fits into the team as a whole.

Mount has always been very comfortable at dropping deep to receive the ball from either CDMs or CBs. Anyone who has watched him regularly for Chelsea will tell you this - he has always consistently been at his best when he has license to either push forward or drop into pockets created by pacy forwards. The argument that he's never actually been asked to do it consistently loses a lot of weight when you realise that he basically did exactly this when Chelsea were at their best under Tuchel - in possession we were something like a 3-2-1-4 with Mount as the player in the middle, and out of possession we were a 5-3-1-1 with Mount as the left-most midfielder. 20/21 Chelsea won the CL at a canter with Mount as the creative hub of the team, operating in the centre both offensively and defensively. Saying that he's "simply never done it" is flat out incorrect.
 
Lash said:
Not sure anyone else is in more control than Chelsea in this scenario. Mount will not be the first to go and they will try and convince him up until the last minute to stay. Colwill, Chalobah and Gallagher will likely go before him and raise a fair wedge. They have no incentive to resolve the mount situation quickly, unless we're going to pay their valuation.
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Mad to let Colwill go. His value could potentially double by this time next year. (I have no idea on his contract situation admittedly).
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Mad to let Colwill go. His value could potentially double by this time next year. (I have no idea on his contract situation admittedly).
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Agreed, maybe they won't, but I see Brighton pushing hard for him and it may tempt them too much where they need to raise cash.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Wijnaldum is a decent comparison. Eriksen is certainly not, as he’s a much better passer than Mount has ever been.

I still don’t see any sort of cohesive plan with this one though, especially since we aren’t signing a right back now either. Mount and Bruno is just asking to be a chaotic overrun midfield together, and people will call Casemiro washed as he’s doing the defensive duties of two players
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Two points here:

1) I think Mount might be a better passer than you’re giving him credit for.
2) Are you arguing Eriksen is a more capable defender, and provides more cover for Casemiro, than Mount? I’m personally not sold that it’s the case, but maybe it is.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
Because again, people are looking at your midfield in isolation instead of how it fits into the team as a whole.

Mount has always been very comfortable at dropping deep to receive the ball from either CDMs or CBs. Anyone who has watched him regularly for Chelsea will tell you this - he has always consistently been at his best when he has license to either push forward or drop into pockets created by pacy forwards. The argument that he's never actually been asked to do it consistently loses a lot of weight when you realise that he basically did exactly this when Chelsea were at their best under Tuchel - in possession we were something like a 3-2-1-4 with Mount as the player in the middle, and out of possession we were a 5-3-1-1 with Mount as the left-most midfielder. 20/21 Chelsea won the CL at a canter with Mount as the creative hub of the team, operating in the centre both offensively and defensively. Saying that he's "simply never done it" is flat out incorrect.
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It's rare for us to have opposition posters, who watch their team more regularly and know their players much better, giving praise and justifying to United posters who don't think the player is any good or wouldn't be a good fit :lol:
 
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