Mount from 20/21. Looks a real baller.
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Mount from 20/21. Looks a real baller.
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There is a massive recency bias with fans in general.
Chelsea fans 1 season ago would sing his praises as an integral player for them during a very successful period. Chelsea fans now have a different opinion, but that's said for the entire squad not just Mason Mount.
I think that will be Rabiot who is stronger defensively
Of course I don't agree. I'm saying other Chelsea fans disagree with the Chelsea fans you're referring too. The common opinion among Chelsea fans regarding Mount isn't that he plays at his best in Rashford's position. You've come across what is a minority opinion even among Chelsea fans and taken it as gospel.
And beyond that, we can see for a fact that he has more commonly played as a #10 or #8, which is generally known to be his most natural positions. You not knowing much about Mount doesn't mean that others don't.
I am hoping that ETH has this spot on as we definitely need an upgrade in the 8 position. I just have my concerns based on what I have seen and what I have heard from some of Chelsea fans who have seen him much more regularly than most of us.
Again - Chelsea fans a season ago had him + James probably as their best 2 players with Silva. Absolutely vital to their system. If you're using recency bias then that's not the best way to go about evaluating a 24 year old player.
Do you mind sharing the source/s? I'm a bit out of it.
He is a decent alternative to Eriksen or a back-up for Bruno, that's how I see it. If the price is good I have nothing against this transfer. But if this transfer means we will go cheap on a ST or another CM for that matter, then I don't see any point, only maybe, because he's availability or lower transfer fee?
It's like having a hole in your door and you start a painting job in the house.
It's like having a hole in your door and you start a painting job in the house.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...t-transfer-manchester-united-chelsea-ten-hag/ --> Tier1 "Ten Hag wants to sign Mason Mount".
The same journalist also said that Ten Hag wanting Mount would be a severe blow to Klopp's plan for Liverpool as Mount+MacAlister were integral to the midfield revolution. And Romano/(+ Ornstein I think) said that Poch wants him to renew with Chelsea.
So 3 managers of very good calibre are keen on Mount. 2 of them we know is for a number 8 position.
Fair enough if you know more about him. Care to point me to some stats of his as a #8. I know he is good as #10 and I also mentioned that.
He's not being signed to play instead of Rashford or Bruno, and there aren't any FdJ clones available to sign. There just aren't many proven players like that, which is why we went so hard for FdJ last summer.
I know a lot of Chelsea fans. Some seem to think he's world class, where others basically say he's Chelsea's version of Lingard. (More of the former in my experience)
I imagine it's somewhere in-between. He'll be a very useful squad member of ours for the next 8 or so years, and will go through several purple patches.
If he hits form at the right times, he could be the difference maker in some big games for us.
The Chelsea fans I spoke with didn't think he was shit. Just that they think his best position is a #10 or coming in from the left. There's no recency bias in that.
We do this every summer too.
He's played the majority of his career as the LAM in a 343 formation, a no.10 behind two strikers (352) or as a no.10 in a 4231. He has played as a CM in a 2 man midfield or with another attacking no.8 but not a great deal and when he has it's been for Chelsea largely with Jorginho as the no.6 and Kante/Kovacic as his pairing no.8.
Bit underwhelming, but I think he will be solid for us.
Also not sure why few are so interested in creating this club vs manager battle here, club won't be signing any player just because manager asked for it. We have a team, if everyone is convinced, they will go for the player.
Doesn't matter who comes up with the name first, all that matters is if everyone (recruitment team and coaching staff) are convinced by the player.
Doesn't matter who comes up with the name first, all that matters is if everyone (recruitment team and coaching staff) are convinced by the player.
He's barely (if ever) played in an 8 under a settled system. Chelsea have been in absolute free fall this year where every player looks bang average.
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I think Mount is a great addition to the squad. However he’d be playing as a 10 not an 8! I’m wondering if ETH is planning on moving Bruno further back into the 8 role. I thought he looked good there in the odd cameo this season
In all honesty I'm pretty gutted we're losing him - would much rather sell Gallagher if the fee is even in the same ballpark
Given our collective track record here—where we've shown the predictive accuracy of a drunk astrologer—it's oddly reassuring to see so much outcry over the new signing. Your skepticism might just be the best endorsement this player could hope for.
Mount and his profile is obviously what Ten Hag wants in his midfield, why would a completely different, injury prone player who plays in a different position and in a position that won’t exist for us next season be a better fit?
So he can either play instead of Eriksen or instead of Bruno with Bruno going deeper. Or ETH will come up with some new formation.
Wouldn’t Maddison be a better buy for a similar price?
Maddison doesn't look like a player capable of being an 8.
Such a system would make sense if your LAM is Sancho/Mount. Would also explain the links to Rice/Caicedo as we'd need a more defensive minded midfielder next to Casemiro for this system. The only issue is this leaves the 85 million man Antony out in the cold as I don't see how he fits here.
God no, completely different sort of player.
Having Maddison and Bruno in the same team would be chaos!
Love how people are just throwing random names with - wouldnt he be a better fit - posts.
He was most commonly used as a #8 in a 4-3-3 under Lampard, so you're primarily looking at his 19/20 stats I suppose. Though even that season he was at times used at the centre and left of the three in a 4-2-3-1.
Effectively yes. I don't think he'd be a good replacement for Eriksen in our current set up though, some added value in terms of energy/work rate but less composure and a more limited passing range. We've seen Bruno coming deeper this year and I think there's a possibility that Bruno will drop further back to accommodate Mount who likes to get forward, probably more than Eriksen.
Always rated him
True that. Mount has more energy and is defensively better than Eriksen but yes, maybe the plan is that Bruno goes deeper which we've seen at times this season and it worked well imo.
No. Mount offers much more versatility. Madders would step on toes of Bruno and vice versa.
Mount is Chelsea POTY for two seasons and Chelsea main creator based on his xA from 2019-2022. During His time at Chelsea, he won UCL.
Rabiot is France starting XI midfielder where there are Tchouameni, Camavinga, Kante, Thuram, and he won Serie A. He's available for free.
Dan James is championship level, won nothing.
Maguire is England national team CB where his competition in the national team is Dunk, Mings and Coady and he won nothing.
AWB is non England national team RB, he also won nothing.
Honestly, I'm not sure how you feel the similar level of expectation or excitement between the two scenarios.
Could you post this year 22-23 stats for reference?
I’m pleased United are getting business done early but I’m neither overwhelmed or underwhelmed with this signing. I think I’m just whelmed. And I don’t even think that’s a word.
I wouldn't be keen on this signing personally, but if it's true then it seems like ten Hag has a very clear picture of what he wants this team to look like next season and how he wants it to play.
Very quick off the blocks for once. Found with other managers, their second transfer window has always seemed all over the place like they aren't sure what they need
Very quick off the blocks for once. Found with other managers, their second transfer window has always seemed all over the place like they aren't sure what they need
They are having a proper meltdown there.
But many of them think that they should hold out for 75-80m, because English tax, and because it’s United and we paid 85m for Antony.
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