That the statement was clearly lawyer speak which came close to victim blaming and that it is a bad look on the club that it took massive public backlash for them to take what ultimately was the right decision all along.
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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At 19, and within his age group, you'd find he was above almost everyone else (again, in his age group) when it came to shooting, accuracy, movement, ambidexterity. I'd genuinely believe he would've been world class/best striker of his generation if his development hadn't stopped for 2 years.
If you don't want to call it generational, and use world class instead, fine, but please calm down Patricia.
You can't have it all ways. Being wishy washy about it, then blaming "omg! Social media mob" like a redneck banging on about Trump doesn't cut it.
Greenwood didn't admit to anything other than causing this in the first place. You can look upon what he was to alleged to have done as a "mistake" or you can suggest he is innocent of them which make her a liar and should be in serious trouble for it.
Either way, you are most certainly not looking out for her. You are hiding behind that "but but she took him back!" In an effort to mask what you really think. And you are saying some terrible things too.
Maybe. There have been many mentions of this, as a possible reason why Mason and the alleged victim haven’t explained it.
However, as has also been said, we will probably never know.
At least I have mine open.
Filthy message?
Take a look at what you wrote. That's absolutely vile. But yeah, feck is filthy
She is well within her rights to ‘move on’. But there is absolutely no onus on anyone else to suddenly think Mason is okay and wipe the slate clean. He’s still a domestic abuser and we’re clearly not talking about a heat of the moment incident here. He is not a good person at all.
He should absolutely never play for this football club ever again if we hold any sort of moral standards.
And the public should most definitely continue to judge men who physically abuse women regardless of whether the woman chooses to stay with them.
Out of curiosity what would your opinions be if you had a female family member/friend who went through similar with a man. Presumably you’d be all pally with him afterwards and going for drinks ?
Why are you making things up?
Nah, it’s an absurd world because we as humans, we’ve been holding people to low standards. Doesn’t matter if it’s about MG, politics or life in general. Somehow we manage to convince ourselves that no one’s perfect and let things slide way too many times. Being a decent human being should be a norm and not an achievement.
Despite all the criticism and the way they've fumbled it to an extent I do have a degree of sympathy here for the club and Arnold as they've been put in a Catch 22 situation.
They either have to treat Greenwood as though he is guilty, which legally I suspect they can't do. Or they have to say they've seen exonerating evidence - the problem here being the only possible explanation is that Greenwood's partner was not entirely truthful about what had happened, or shared misleading information publicly, which obviously they cannot (and should not) say as that would put her at a great degree of risk and scrutiny.
The most likely explanation is that MG did exactly what everyone suspects, but the club cannot say this as he hasn't been convicted. The reason I believe this (beyond it being the most simple explanation) is that his partner hasn't gotten into trouble herself over what happened, and that they are still together (most people would have absolutely have left their partner if they nuked their career in such a fashion)
My main criticism of the club if anything is that they've applied too much thought to this and applied too much nuance instead of taking a decisive line months ago. They should have just early on agreed with him that there was no way forward for him at the club and announced it months ago in a much more succinct fashion, without all the padding and unnecessary detail.
Because they've left it so long and because of the leaks they've had to cobble together a more detailed explanation which, when you break it down, makes no sense. He's either guilty of what we all think, or he isn't, in which case there are implications for his partner.
They either have to treat Greenwood as though he is guilty, which legally I suspect they can't do. Or they have to say they've seen exonerating evidence - the problem here being the only possible explanation is that Greenwood's partner was not entirely truthful about what had happened, or shared misleading information publicly, which obviously they cannot (and should not) say as that would put her at a great degree of risk and scrutiny.
The most likely explanation is that MG did exactly what everyone suspects, but the club cannot say this as he hasn't been convicted. The reason I believe this (beyond it being the most simple explanation) is that his partner hasn't gotten into trouble herself over what happened, and that they are still together (most people would have absolutely have left their partner if they nuked their career in such a fashion)
My main criticism of the club if anything is that they've applied too much thought to this and applied too much nuance instead of taking a decisive line months ago. They should have just early on agreed with him that there was no way forward for him at the club and announced it months ago in a much more succinct fashion, without all the padding and unnecessary detail.
Because they've left it so long and because of the leaks they've had to cobble together a more detailed explanation which, when you break it down, makes no sense. He's either guilty of what we all think, or he isn't, in which case there are implications for his partner.
The tone of the police statement suggests they certainly felt he was guilty, suggesting the witnesses withdrawing was key.
Subjective and people will have different opinions, but I'd define it as players that come once in a generation. Messi and Ronaldo are players that come once every life time.
For instance KDB, Iniesta, Zidane I'd have as generational. Someone like Bruno is world class, but not generational as there are other AMs that pop up in a generation with similar ability.
Rooney I'd definitely have as a generational player. Kane borderline. The young ones like Greenwood no - they need to prove themselves first. Someone like Mbappe yes. I agree people using the word generational to describe young players that haven't reached their prime yet as weird.
I am not accusing her of liar at all. No, I am not. But if you would like to read it that way, that is your choice.
There is a victim in the case, and that is the girl. The girl, a victim, has decided to stay with him and they have had a baby son. Is not that true too? From that fact, can we safely conclude that the girl has made up her mind to move on with MG, a human being who has made a mistake. Maybe that is something called forgiving?
The fact is the public are not willing to side with the girl when it comes to forgiving.
This should be a perma-ban.
They don't though.
Pele and Maradona were on the same level as Messi.
Cruyff, Di Stefano, Luis Ronaldo, Platini, Beckenbauer, Zidane, Best, Eusebio, Puskas, Charlton etc are on Ronaldo's level.
Many people, in the same lifetime, saw all of them.
Nevertheless, I stop with my digression.
Didn't say that, did I?
It's interesting that you categorise what Greenwood has done as an imperfection. Tells me all I need to know.
Maybe?
No, it's one or the other. This is part of the problem in here, people aren't thinking through what they are saying.
And it's all going this way because people just won't see the crux of the matter and that is ultimately, whatever you think he is or isn't guilty of, Greenwood in his own words started this mess. And it's fine to have an opinion, it's fine to regret what has happened, but some posts in here are outright blaming the woman involved and trying to mask it, whilst also blaming "mob rule" or "cancel culture" or all the other trash buzzwords that are meaningless.
Ultimately what we do know for a fact is that Greenwood caused this, and the club have made it worse. But yeah, some just want to blame everyone else, including a potential DV and rape victim
Trying to deduce suggestions from the tone of police statements is a sure way to invent false meanings. They are written specifically not to have any suggestions, and that explains their tone.
Do people feel like this? I thought both the club's and Greenwood's statement alluded that something bad happened, but not the worst (rape). Greenwood literally said 'that mistakes were made'.
Explain to me how his football career is "ended"?
I assume the "mob" have a bit more life experience than you and understand there could be some very dark implications to the apparent positive spin you are putting on her staying with MG.
A lot of twitter reds under the Mason Greenwood trending thing I see want him brought back.
Some are fed up with the decision and have thrown some almighty cyber hissy fits.
That Phil de bruin mug said he might be packing this whole football lark all in. Jog on then see ya
Some are fed up with the decision and have thrown some almighty cyber hissy fits.
That Phil de bruin mug said he might be packing this whole football lark all in. Jog on then see ya
You keep calling her a victim, so you do think this is a DV case at least then?
Which renders all your preaching about the public even more nonsense.
What a feckin disaster. Can't believe people who played it this way earn massive salaries
The fact that mistake was used. If they are meaning this then that is not a mistake. A mistake is forgetting to bring the washing in if it is raining when the wife asked you to.
Not really. Their disappointment in key witnesses pulling out was evident, as you'd expect after a long witnesses pulled out. Even dismissing that the guy is not innocent and admits to 'mistakes'.
I've been catching up on the thread, and you keep repeating this.
The CPS have said nothing even close, they just cited 'new material'. Nor did United say that, merely that what had been released didn't paint a full picture.
There's nothing to suggest what we've heard and seen aren't exactly what they sound and look like, and even cursory knowledge of the dynamics of abusive relationships should have any sensible person questioning what the feck United is even playing at with that dumbass statement.
Looks like the Saudi's are coming in for him and will bid. Turkey could also be quite a decent option for him.
The easiest explanation is that some further evidence came to light as to the character of one or more of the witnesses which would have meant that their credibility in a court of law, in the eyes of a jury, would be low. If this is so, this makes the chance of a conviction very difficult, notwithstanding the fact that Mason's GF didn't want to give evidence. This could have been anything; a key witness might have been shown to have a history of making up stories, or being auto-aggressive, or anything really. We don't know the full extent of it and we never will. The point is that there was never a case which the Crown thought could convict the man. He's therefore entitled to continue to enjoy a legal presumption of innocence, and should have never lost his job or had any sort of punishment applied to him. If you want to treat him as guilty, you're entitled to do so - but people should remember that he was never able to defend himself or to test the evidence in court before they do so. Anyone saying "Hes guilt of what we all think" is frankly jumping to a conclusion that there's no evidence to do so. The club acknowledged this, and have bowed to mob pressure; the same mob mentality which lynched innocent people in days gone past.
You’re making a massive assumption that the girl has stayed with Greenwood because of forgiveness, and it sounds like you’re a bit ignorant as to why abuse victims often stay with the abuser.
have a read through this, maybe it’ll help:
https://ncadv.org/why-do-victims-stay
Abuse victims sometimes stay with the abuser, as another caf member correctly informed me.
Time and time again. Don't know what she expects really
Baffling.
So him and his lass would prefer the world to think there’s been domestic abuse rather than come clean about the RP aspect?
Makes no fecking sense. Your back must be broken with all your bending.
How much is he really worth in today's market?
Without the baggage - 100 million at least.
With the baggage and the shit he brought himself to.......could we fetch 20?
Without the baggage - 100 million at least.
With the baggage and the shit he brought himself to.......could we fetch 20?
Well, that’s what posts said, so I would say yes.
There is a large element of 'White Knighting' at play with this case, people even going as far to say she's still a prisoner and can't leave.
Movement? On what fecking planet?At 19, and within his age group, you'd find he was above almost everyone else (again, in his age group) when it came to shooting, accuracy, movement, ambidexterity. I'd genuinely believe he would've been world class/best striker of his generation if his development hadn't stopped for 2 years.
If you don't want to call it generational, and use world class instead, fine, but please calm down Patricia.
Yep. Big money seems to have the same corrupting influence as big power, unfortunately.
Add to that people seem to overlook she did make a statement to the police, he broke bail to meet up (and impregnate) her, and then she recanted the statement.
Again we obviously don't know the rights and wrongs of what actually happened in that room, or what has happened previously that caused her to record him, but what we do know is that him breaking bail to see her should have been handled way more severely than it was. Because in cases like DV especially, when someone is accused of controlling behaviour, that is outrageous he got away with it.
So the whole story has been called a role play here.
Cant believe it.
Actually, sadly, I can.
Cant believe it.
Actually, sadly, I can.
It's like that Jim Jeffries joke on Bill Cosby.
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