Any "all touches" video (pun not intended) of MG against Real Madrid?
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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I still think it’s irrelevant, no where near the same level
My point is that he was acquitted, and thus technically not guilty but still referred to as a murderer. Which was the thrust of the question I was answering.
You have said now three times that you don't see the similarity. Noted.
What point are you trying to make here? What bearing does Ronaldo allegedly raping someone have on how we should think about/deal with Greenwood?
Oh I agree. And if there is a legit explanation then some should be severely reprimanded for it not being given.
No. Irrelavant. People rightly don't see gambling and domestic violence/rape as the same thing despite both being illegal in this scenario.
Again, I’ve not personally seen that (and if true he should’ve never have been allowed to come back to the club). But audio and photographic evidence is always going to be more visceral with regards to how people feel about someone.
What is your point here? Greenwood should come back because people didn't protest enough against Ronaldo coming back?
It's not hypocritical if people weren't aware. People tune out from a lot of the news for their sanity. The Greenwood case stood apart as it had more impactful evidence.
Really, you don't see the problem with that?
People are suddenly offended by prospect of having alleged rapist play for the club all while they cheered alleged rapist playing for that same club just a year ago.
It just shows that people pick and choose when they are going to hold some kind of moral ground.
We had one alleged rapist play for United, people were estatic because he's great player, and then suddenly other player accused of similar crime is hard pass? Must be the case of my alleged rapist is better football player than yours alleged rapist to let that slide.
Cristiano is most followed sportsman in the world, kind of hard to imagine people were unaware of his wrongdoings.
I was certainly aware of it. Like I am with so many, Benzema, Ribery, Mendy, etc, but I honestly couldn't give you the details of any of them. I did however see the face of a badly bruised woman in the MG case, as well as the shocking audio, which is honestly one of the most disturbing things I've heard. . If you can't see how that would elevate a story then there's nothing I can say.
What's the problem? Only the reverse is a problem. Surely it's a good thing now people don't want someone associated with that behaviour at the club?
Maybe CR had a better team handling the legal side and the PR, he definitely couldn't have anyone worse. There are many possible factors.
So what's your point? We should have no alleged rapists or more or that it's not worth having an opinion on?
There is a chance that as time moves on we will as a society have zero tolerance for domestic violence. We are more open about condemning it than previous generations which is great.
They are all scumbs, some more, some less, but there isn't consistency neither with people at the club neither with supporters in the handling of those people and that's my point.
Inconsistency, yes, due to many many factors, but that's not a reason to shout hypocrisy.
The sooner the better, but it has nothing with this particular case.
Cristiano was let of the hook way to easily just because he's Cristiano Ronaldo, and it shows that people pick and choose their agenda whenever it suits them.
But, again, what's your point in the MG thread? That we should take Greenwood back because we took Ronaldo back? This take comes up again and again and it never cease to be stupid: unless you're against everything X, you can't believe Y. It's reductive and dumb.
I had no idea about this until after her was back. I think you'll find that goes for many. Maybe you just follow Ronaldo closer than most for some reason.
Who are these people? Not me. I can't stand Ronaldo. I even thought he was a bit of a dick the first time he was here.
I didn't want him back and I wasn't that interested in yet more "footballer behaving like scum" allegations.
Does my reaction to the MG leaked media make me a hypocrite.
You say the sooner the better on zero tolerance but seem more focused on the apparent hypocrisy. That's weird.
This argument is abit silly. We can’t just pretend that the audio evidence isn’t different from other evidence when it clearly is. If that evidence had never leaked and instead we just heard about the alleged crime through other channels there’s no way he would have been banned and it all would have been swept aside. Not saying it’s right but that’s the reality of the situation.
Yep, it's that simple.
@Black Adder
So these posters that wanted Ronaldo back. who also had knowledge of his wrongdoings and don't want Greenwood back because of his wrongdoings, who are they?
Can you name them please?
So these posters that wanted Ronaldo back. who also had knowledge of his wrongdoings and don't want Greenwood back because of his wrongdoings, who are they?
Can you name them please?
If we had publicly accessible videos of a similar nature in Cristiano’s case, I’m sure there would be a similar uproar. In a world of social media, you can’t get angry over what you can’t see/hear. That’s the (unfair) state of things
Charges against Greenwood dropped because key witnesses had withdrawn and new evidence came to light. Does anyone know what the new evidence was? I suspect its the full audio recording.
I think @Black Adder contributions in the Ronaldo thread shed a little more light on their motivations here. Just a couple to give a sense of it:
All that only to be second to Messi whole career
Can you just read the thread or the internet rather than start the whole thing off again?
On the footbaling side yes we should take him back, we don't have anyone of his quality on the right side so why not.
If Cristiano could come back so should Greenwood.
Maybe hypocrisy was too strong of a word, inconsistecy would be better.
I see Greenwood as piece of work, that audio is really hard to listen to, but since we don't have whole picture, his girlfriend decided to settle down with him and have a kid, from footballing perspective I would take him back althugh that really unpopular opinion.
If you're so interested find them yourselves.
Yeah I really can't stand the guy, never liked him and never wanted him back. Sorry to offend your personal hero
I doubt they exist, but you seem sure they are an important factor in this discussion, so the onus is on you to back up what you claim.
Would it not to just assume that the best case all round would be for the club to continue to hope MG does well in Spain, enough to warrant a decent transfer fee in the Summer. It helps us out with FFP and we can improve a squad that has/has not coped without him. If he comes back, then our spending power is reduced and we will have a few season of absolute grief from fans/pundits/media regardless of evidence that may or may not be out there.
Whatever your stance on MG, him being sold is the absolute best thing all round.
Whatever your stance on MG, him being sold is the absolute best thing all round.
Cristiano wasn't exactly let off the hook, but if there was images, audio and video like with MG you can sure as shit bet there would have been an outcry. But you're seemingly ignoring the actual evidence against MG that CR doesn't have to suit your own agenda.
Yeah I really can't stand the guy, never liked him and never wanted him back. Sorry to offend your personal hero
This kind of thing at the end of a reply really ruins the rest of the response. It’s just not needed and childish.
There was someone else who said all the mods want to hang Greenwood. I don’t understand the rush to hyperbole.
Yeah I really can't stand the guy, never liked him and never wanted him back. Sorry to offend your personal hero
Yet, you would take Mason back. And you are sure it's us who are the hypocrites?
Like a game of Twister in here.
Yeah I agree, it was uncalled for, can get petty in responses.
As a footballer yes, since he can offer something to this team others on that right side can't.
Hi Moses, I couldn’t find the answers. Appreciate if you can shed light on my questions
- What was the new evidence that made the CPS dropped all the charges?
- Why the audio and the photographs were not enough to send Greenwood to court?
- Was there another recording that were not made public?
“I would take him back as a footballer but not as an abuser”
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