Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player

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YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Yeah, don't mind my comment, should have stayed out. Only one i can think of is Maguire and the greece episode, but i think he appealed so im not sure if that even counts.
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Fair play mate, in not even sure where it landed with Maguire either tbh
 
Yorke to Cole said:
Perhaps he referring to Antony? Or even Johnny Evans?
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Are there any recordings of either player being deliberately abusive when denied sex? Anything other than allegations?

If not, it's just whataboutery.

Greenwood has got to go.
 
soapythecat said:
Shame he isnt coming back, because he would be amazing on our right side. A menace of a player.
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We would certainly create more chances and have been more of an attacking threat to opposing teams, there is no question of that. I was optimistic that he would rediscover more consistency in his form after the winter break. He has exceeded what I thought he would be capable of considering the amount of ti e he has been out of the game.
 
Pes6Monster said:
Are there any recordings of either player being deliberately abusive when denied sex? Anything other than allegations?

If not, it's just whataboutery.

Greenwood has got to go.
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You should ask the person who wrote the original comment.

"Where".
 
Saw he was back in the UK for Christmas. Guessing he didn't attend the game tonight but no surprise at all the UK press were on it.
 
According to Getafe staff, he is expected to be at his season peak at February due to his long time away from competitive football. Quite curious to see his second half of this season.
He has some skilled team mates like Mayoral, Latasa, Maksimovic, etc which helps a bit. And soon Unal will be ready to go (no pun intended), he has just recovered from a serious long tem injury.
 
The biggest weakness of our jury system is that some people can hear a single piece of clipped evidence and be 100% convinced of guilt.

Sure, some might think that it’s better giving away a prized asset who has been at the club since a kid as they think on balance he did it and don’t believe in second chances, which is much more of a talking point, but 100%… Jesus.

The kind of people that say “end of” at the end of every subjective sentence.
 
Can’t wait to see him back in the side with Garnacho on the opposite wing and a more experienced Hojlund in the middle with Bruno playing them through.
 
Phil Osophy said:
I can sympathize with young players being a bit selfish at first and needing some time to find themselves in a complex environement as ours.

His passing stats on Fbref are quite poor this season (total number, completion, and progressive passes he's one of the worst in Europe) so I doubt he can become a complete attacker. He lacks the creative spark, and even if he's taking on players more than before his success % is nothing impressive (27th percentile). I concede he wasn't fit and he can improve in the next months, but even then the general picture remains the same for me. Potentially a good dynamic finisher but he's flawed from many angles.
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A bit late to the party on this one but his take-on percentage, for example, is higher than Saka's and Vini jr's. That really doesn't mean that much in isolation. Many good dribblers attempt lots of dribbles, some of which aren't successful.

As for his progressive passing stats, and pass completion stats, Getafe average 43.6% possession this season, the third lowest in La Liga:
https://fbref.com/en/comps/12/possession/La-Liga-Stats

To put that into perspective, Greenwood only averages 43.81 touches per 90 minutes, compared to Saka's 56.07 per 90 and Vini jr's 48.58 per 90.

When you're not dominating possession, you might find it harder to excel in certain metrics, although some of it would certainly be down to individual play-style.

Speaking of which, Greenwood averages marginally more progressive passes per 90 than Vini jr this season (2.65 to 2.50), despite having less touches of the ball per 90.
The difference in their percentiles (when viewing them on fbref) is merely because Greenwood is nominally playing as a midfielder and is therefore compared against a different cohort of players (most of which will be central players who get on the ball more often), whilst Vini jr. is being compared to other forwards.

And then if we look at SCAs, Greenwood averages 3.98 per 90 and Vini jr, 4.22 per 90.
For progressive carries, Greenwood averages 4.51 per 90 compared to Vini Jr's 5.63 per 90.
For GCAs, Greenwood averages 0.89 per 90, Vini jr 0.26 per 90.
Assists, Greenwood averages 0.35 per 90, Vini jr 0.13 per 90.
Oh, and Vini Jr's pass completion percentage is 71.7% which is actually lower than Greenwood's 71.9%.

Would you say, therefore that Vini Jr is not 'very creative' either, given Greenwood outperforms him in several key creative metrics?

I'm sure there are other metrics and other players we could look to have a more nuanced discussion, but really the point is to demonstrate that using those stats in isolation is very misleading, especially when you completely disregard what other elite attackers do, and what teams they play in, what kind of style they play, etc.
 
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goalscholes said:
The biggest weakness of our jury system is that some people can hear a single piece of clipped evidence and be 100% convinced of guilt.

Sure, some might think that it’s better giving away a prized asset who has been at the club since a kid as they think on balance he did it and don’t believe in second chances, which is much more of a talking point, but 100%… Jesus.

The kind of people that say “end of” at the end of every subjective sentence.
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And some would rather stick their heads in the sand or play mental gymnastics til they can square it with themselves
 
I wish we could get him back. He is a special player and would make our squad stronger. However I think its best for ALL people involved that he stays away from United and the UK for that matter. UK media and supporters will make life hell for him, his young family and the club.

I dont condone what he did. Letting him back into United does not mean I dont give a hoot about SA. The only reason I am ok with him getting a second chance is that he and victim are back together and theyre both trying to move on from that incident ( based on IG photos ). Theres also a kid involved now.
 
golden_blunder said:
And had mitigating circumstances that led to that action. Not sure how that can be compared given the audio recordings we all heard. Let’s stop trying to compare it to other things which aren’t the same at all.
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Maybe Mason had mitigating circumstances that led to that, or maybe that's not the whole recording.

Hope to live the day when people understand that we're talking out of our ass about it.

Also people need to realize that if he would have been proven guilty, he'd be in jail, no matter what the girl would have been doing, if she would've retracted her complaint or not.
 
M Bison said:
he might be a cnut but shit he definitely is not.
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Didn't say he wasn't talented but with a mentality like his he was never going to the top. 3 goals in La Liga and everybody loses their minds.

Some of the many players to have outscored him include Mayoral at his own club with 12 goals, Dovbyk at Girona with 11, Budmir at Osasuna with 8, Strand Larsen at Celta Vigo with 7.
 
TwoSheds said:
Didn't say he wasn't talented but with a mentality like his he was never going to the top. 3 goals in La Liga and everybody loses their minds.

Some of the many players to have outscored him include Mayoral at his own club with 12 goals, Dovbyk at Girona with 11, Budmir at Osasuna with 8, Strand Larsen at Celta Vigo with 7.
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Greenwood hadn't trained - let alone played - at professional level for +18 months. All things considered he's been impressive - to the extent there are reports he's being tracked by European giants.
 
TsuWave said:
Greenwood hadn't trained - let alone played - at professional level for +18 months. All things considered he's been impressive - to the extent there are reports he's being tracked by European giants.
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I welcome their interest, I hope they pay way over the odds for him and I wish him constant minor misfortune until the end of his career.
 
TwoSheds said:
Didn't say he wasn't talented but with a mentality like his he was never going to the top. 3 goals in La Liga and everybody loses their minds.

Some of the many players to have outscored him include Mayoral at his own club with 12 goals, Dovbyk at Girona with 11, Budmir at Osasuna with 8, Strand Larsen at Celta Vigo with 7.
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You said he's shit?
 
massiveissue said:
Maybe Mason had mitigating circumstances that led to that, or maybe that's not the whole recording.
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Considering exactly what is clearly said in the recording, it'd have to be a fairly massive 'mitigating circumstance'.

One which is bigger than 'he's good at football'.
 
OMG what if juries behaved like the wokerati and sent people to prison after a few seconds of footage? Also, what if Mata was gay all along?

The questions we all need to be asking.
 
To be honest he'd the be stupid to come back now that he has seen what life could be like in Spain away from the major public scrutiny.

I'd say he will go to Atletico Madrid or something in the summer and if it continues to go well Barca or Real Madrid after that.
 
laughtersassassin said:
To be honest he'd the be stupid to come back now that he has seen what life could be like in Spain away from the major public scrutiny.

I'd say he will go to Atletico Madrid or something in the summer and if it continues to go well Barca or Real Madrid after that.
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I agree , no media rubbish to deal with in Spain
 
Pes6Monster said:
Considering exactly what is clearly said in the recording, it'd have to be a fairly massive 'mitigating circumstance'.

One which is bigger than 'he's good at football'.
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And that’s a consistent moral argument if you confirm you didn’t cheer CR7 upon his return.

But for most, there’s a weird hypocrisy of ignoring the horrific wording used in one case, where the story has been explored forensically by lawyers, for part evidence of a kid whose upbringing the club is partially responsible for.

The “never want him back, made up mind, end of” group should at least admit they are sickened/ repentant for cheering on Ronaldo/ wanting him back, before having any moral authority to make the same case with Mason.
 
TwoSheds said:
I welcome their interest, I hope they pay way over the odds for him and I wish him constant minor misfortune until the end of his career.
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That’s all good and all, and you can reserve the right to feel that way. I was contextualising his loan spell since your post seemingly diminished how impressive he’s been (on football terms).
 
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