Nice header for 1-1 then took the total piss for his second.
Which was 10-20 years ago. Do you believe that the PL is the same animal now as it was then? Kane is a better comparison and he was not even close to PL-quality at the same age.Give him a chance (Greenwood) let him play 90mins not 10mins here 5 mins there, no one else seems to know where the back of the net is. People say he’s too young to start but Rooney, Fowler and Owen were around the same age when they burst onto the scene (17)
This, play him, nothing to loseneeds to play against chelsea, and want to see him start the last 2 games.
Apart from the last three games... 4th is still a possibility, not a great one but still very much one. I'd love him to burst on the scene with three great performances, but you just cant see the coaching staff taking that kind of a riskThis, play him, nothing to lose
you know what hasnt helped us get 4th? Losing 7 of 9. Coaching staff needs to take a risk because nothing is currently workingApart from the last three games... 4th is still a possibility, not a great one but still very much one. I'd love him to burst on the scene with three great performances, but you just cant see the coaching staff taking that kind of a risk
This, play him, nothing to lose
haha yeah super cut-throat right now. Not like our attack hasnt scored from open play in like 5 games. Or that we have lost 7 of 9. Or that greenwood has been producing all year at the lower levels. Wheh, crazy CAF asking that maybe the manager who took it upon himself to slam mou over his treatment with youngsters to actually play our one ready youngster?Apart from potential CL qualification
Classic caf going overboard with youngsters because they smash goals at u18 level. Like he will get time and space to do the same in EPL games.
There'll be better opportunities for him to get games next season, under less pressure. Currently it's cut throat.
What is the big fascination with loaning him out? Do you not realise how big a talent Mason is? Ten years ago the Premier League was a top league. Today, the Premier League is a top league. If Mason is good enough to help the team in the short term (and I believe he is), then he should be given the opportunity to do so. Yes, Harry Kane was loaned out. It doesn't mean that Mason Greenwood needs to be. Not everyone has to follow the same pathway. I'd argue that Greenwood is more naturally talented than Kane anyway, not that natural talent is the sole factor in determining whether a player is ready for first team football.Which was 10-20 years ago. Do you believe that the PL is the same animal now as it was then? Kane is a better comparison and he was not even close to PL-quality at the same age.
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There are two options for Greenwood; either he gets a squad place this year for the experience and is loaned out nxt season. Or he is loaned out this year to a top Championship club. Anything else is not realistic.
haha yeah super cut-throat right now. Not like our attack hasnt scored from open play in like 5 games. Or that we have lost 7 of 9. Or that greenwood has been producing all year at the lower levels. Wheh, crazy CAF asking that maybe the manager who took it upon himself to slam mou over his treatment with youngsters to actually play our one ready youngster?
Nice header for 1-1 then took the total piss for his second.
Which was 10-20 years ago. Do you believe that the PL is the same animal now as it was then? Kane is a better comparison and he was not even close to PL-quality at the same age.
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There are two options for Greenwood; either he gets a squad place this year for the experience and is loaned out nxt season. Or he is loaned out this year to a top Championship club. Anything else is not realistic.
The thing is he isn't JUST a goal scorer either, he's a great passer, crosser, dribbler... he can do pretty much everything!Absolute diamond. When was last time he didn't score.
Which was 10-20 years ago. Do you believe that the PL is the same animal now as it was then? Kane is a better comparison and he was not even close to PL-quality at the same age.
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There are two options for Greenwood; either he gets a squad place this year for the experience and is loaned out nxt season. Or he is loaned out this year to a top Championship club. Anything else is not realistic.
Might turn out to be true but I would prefer to give him a chance than have to watch Lukaku, Sanchez or Martial play again, that would just be rewarding lack of effort.Our attack hasn’t scored in the last 5 games because our team gets dominated and hardly keeps the ball. I’m sure our 17yo inexperienced attacker will thrive in a team with 25% possession and hoof balls out the back while having experienced EPL centre backs right up his arse crack.
I think I’ll take the manager’s opinion on when’s a good time to give him minutes, ahead of FerociousCorgis off the caf.
Might turn out to be true but I would prefer to give him a chance than have to watch Lukaku, Sanchez or Martial play again, that would just be rewarding lack of effort.
Effort and desire is not the only thing that matters but it is a minimum requirement. Personally I have seen a significant reduction in both of these in all our forwards this year.If effort was the only thing that mattered, me and you would be playing for United now. And Lukaku and Sanchez don't lack effort, I don't know where this comes from. They bust a gut every time they play, they're just not good enough at the moment as well suffering from a lack of service like any forward we throw on.
Martial you could level the laziness argument at, but I would still prefer him over someone Lingard (who is showing effort) 100 times over. Because at least if you make chances Martial could score them. Lingard just turns into Bambi around the box. And rewarding shit players just cause they run around is not ideal either.
Like I said, the way our team plays right now, bringing young forwards on won't help us or them one bit. We just hoof balls at them and hoping they make something out of nothing, while also expecting them to bust a gut with pressing and marking. It's a thankless horrible task. We need to play to better as a team and the forwards we have will score. They were doing so few weeks ago.
Effort and desire is not the only thing that matters but it is a minimum requirement. Personally I have seen a significant reduction in both of these in all our forwards this year.
Lukaku has always been limited technically but I always defended him for effort, more often than not now he does more pointing than leading the line. Sanchez is finished and in Martial we have another over rated replacement.
The season is over let's give youth and potential a chance.
Lukaku certainly doesn't 'bust a gut' every time he plays. He has two or three big bursts of action a game that almost feel like he's doing it to make it look like he's working hard. But other than those couple of moments, his movement and workrate are terrible for what we should be expecting.If effort was the only thing that mattered, me and you would be playing for United now. And Lukaku and Sanchez don't lack effort, I don't know where this comes from. They bust a gut every time they play, they're just not good enough at the moment as well suffering from a lack of service like any forward we throw on.
He went through a bit of a barren patch in February.Absolute diamond. When was last time he didn't score.
If we loose to Chelsea on Sunday, all hope of top 4 will be gone. In that case, I hope that Greenwood is given a proper chance playing 90 min as striker against Huddersfield and Cardiff.
That I could get behind because there would be no pressure after that and the games are also easier. But giving him his first ever EPL start against Chelsea in a must-win, backs-against-the-wall game is lunacy.
He is not better than Rashford however he is unquestionably better than Him and many if our other talented players when they where in the youth.31 pages and he's barely kicked a ball in the senior team! The expectations are way too high. I hope he's prepared for the pressure. There's a lot of Rashford fatigue already and he's only 21 for instance. Que the 'he's much better than Rashford' responses. Im not comparing them, just the hype.
We are not going to make it, it was clear before Everton. We are still in it because the only aspect where Arsenal outdo Spurs these days is not finishing a job under pressure.Apart from potential CL qualification
Classic caf going overboard with youngsters because they smash goals at u18 level. Like he will get time and space to do the same in EPL games.
There'll be better opportunities for him to get games next season, under less pressure. Currently it's cut throat.
YepAlmost feel sorry for him when he gets promoted into the first team and doesn't (naturally) hit it off straight away.
We are not going to make it, it was clear before Everton. We are still in it because the only aspect where Arsenal outdo Spurs these days is not finishing a job under pressure.
Sure, you can disagree, but I'm not seeing us playing like this is cut throat, are you? If we are going to jog our way to the Europa I'd rather see what the future holds with the young ones.
Edit: reading on I see much has been discussed. It's not youth fanboyism, you are still hoping on CL while we've lost faith and focus on other sources for hope.
I know, we "just" need to beat Chelsea and hope for Leicester (or Burnley) to do a job on the other two. Not unheard of, what kills me is it's actually us I don't trust at all. All the way back at 1-0 vs WHU I posted the way we were going about things my gut was this six-pointer would just settle 5th and 6th and still feel that way as far as we are concerned.Yep
In short, I disagree with everything you said.
You can lose hope all you want, really couldn’t give two shits. It’s still possible and very mathematically probable, one win puts us right in the fight. So we have to try.
Because he is such a big talent that he needs playing time now. Not just minutes either. And that is just not going to happen at United next season. I am all for brooding young players with one year in the squad, but he has already had that this year since he has been training with the first team most of the year this season. He needs to play regularly next season on as a high level as possible so he can take the next step in his development. He is one of our greatest talents and we should really not feck him up.What is the big fascination with loaning him out? Do you not realise how big a talent Mason is? Ten years ago the Premier League was a top league. Today, the Premier League is a top league. If Mason is good enough to help the team in the short term (and I believe he is), then he should be given the opportunity to do so. Yes, Harry Kane was loaned out. It doesn't mean that Mason Greenwood needs to be. Not everyone has to follow the same pathway. I'd argue that Greenwood is more naturally talented than Kane anyway, not that natural talent is the sole factor in determining whether a player is ready for first team football.
That is a fair opinion. I personally think he will develop faster and better with regular game time. Playing 90 mins every week. And he is not going to get that at United next year with the pressure that will be on.Take Sterling then for a far more recent example, he became a first team player at 17 and was given proper gametime. Sancho has reaped the rewards and Hudson-Odoi should have been.
We should be playing him in our final few games and next season he should be starting the easier games and making plenty of sub appearances. He's earned the chance to demonstrate whether he's ready or not
And that would be on us. How many loanees have come back to play regularly and became top class? Last one I can think of is Beckham, unless you count the likes of Cleverley and Welbeck as top class.That is a fair opinion. I personally think he will develop faster and better with regular game time. Playing 90 mins every week. And he is not going to get that at United next year with the pressure that will be on.
Well, Lingard to take a more current example. You could also pose the question of how many of our talented youngsters in general has taken the step up to the next level. Its not that easy and for me its just plain logic that guaranteed playing time benefits an 18-year old more than warming the bench in the PL.And that would be on us. How many loanees have come back to play regularly and became top class? Last one I can think of is Beckham, unless you count the likes of Cleverley and Welbeck as top class.
Every team has some sort of pressure on, but at least we have the long term upside if gambling on him. A Fulham doesn't and therefore won't play him.