Every young lad should have a poster of Oddegard in his room, just to always remind what you can do wrong.
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Martin Ødegaard - Next season
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Maybe his big salary has something to do.He should go to Leganés,to stay near Madrid if Madrid accept to pay 50% of the wages
For a moment I thought that sporting director was our Silvestre, that made me chuckle a bit.
Do you know roughly what he earns? Problem with loaning him out if he's on big wages is that smaller teams don't want to pay loanees big wages if they're inexperienced, I think we paid the whole of Nani' wages while he was out on loan in Portugal.
Oh, the thread's been bumped again. So here is my obligatory laughee. 
People writing off a 17-year old should calm the F down.
Don't think anyone's writing him off to be fair.
Don't think Leganes could even afford 10% of his wages
Well, maybe, Leganes had less than a 5M € budget last year, Odegaard wages are 5,2M gross. This year the tv deal should earn them 43M but still, why would you bring a kid for 2'5M a year when you have a squad of hard-worker low earning players? If I was at Leganes I would only want a loan if it was free
He is our Silvestre
I think he's not really a sporting Director but more an advisor for Rennes chairman.
What Ishdalar said, more or less 3 m euros net/year
Yes, you are right. I tried to compare them with Getafe but they are in a very different situation. In that case maybe wouldn´t be a bad idea to give him for free. Apparently during the preseason he seemed very lost, almost worse than in the first preseason in Australia.Don't think Leganes could even afford 10% of his wages
Well, maybe, Leganes had less than a 5M € budget last year, Odegaard wages are 5,2M gross. This year the tv deal should earn them 43M but still, why would you bring a kid for 2'5M a year when you have a squad of hard-worker low earning players? If I was at Leganes I would only want a loan if it was free
That's a feck tonne of money for a 16 year old (I know he's older now).
Either way the kids going to be set for life by the time his contract ends even if he doesn't fulfil his potential.
This happens if you mix all the marketing that he created with his tour and the "my c*** is bigger than yours" Madrid´s attitude in the market.
He just recently got a contract extension.
Think they said to 2021 on the Norwegian radio.
Well even more so then, there's a lot to be said for being set for life in your early 20's, bot many could say that, I know it's a shame that he's not playing at the moment but he's obviously still got time on his side, it'd suck if he doesn't 'make it' at the top level but this could have happened if he had went to Ajax as some people suggested yet have a quarter of the money!
Can't blame the kid for taking the cash early on in his career.
People really hate others who are financially successful.. Really bitter stuff, it's sad.
17 year old kid isn't in Real first team. My god, he must be shit. There are a hundred ways to look at it, but essentially training at Real Madrid with some of the best coaches around isn't going to hurt anyone's development. He plays competitive football (not pointless u18 etc..) and has made first team appearances (maybe he wasn't entirely ready).
Is playing first team, top league football at 17 a good idea? Well Rooney is broken 3 or 4 years before his sell by date, so I don't really see the rush. He's being well paid and given a great education. Plenty of time. If he's good enough he'll make it work, if he's not he got to play for Real Madrid. Win win in my eyes - he's just a little kid.
17 year old kid isn't in Real first team. My god, he must be shit. There are a hundred ways to look at it, but essentially training at Real Madrid with some of the best coaches around isn't going to hurt anyone's development. He plays competitive football (not pointless u18 etc..) and has made first team appearances (maybe he wasn't entirely ready).
Is playing first team, top league football at 17 a good idea? Well Rooney is broken 3 or 4 years before his sell by date, so I don't really see the rush. He's being well paid and given a great education. Plenty of time. If he's good enough he'll make it work, if he's not he got to play for Real Madrid. Win win in my eyes - he's just a little kid.
I didn´t know that he has signed an extension so probably he has accepted that is not ready yet, I think that his problems are physical and tactically.If he leaves where would he go, I don´t think that Madrid academy is bad. I don´t see him playing in France or Germany (in first league teams). Halilovic had a decent season in Sporting, that could be the case of Odegaard.
People also really hate those who squander their gifts in pursuit of quick cash and fame. It's sad.
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I don't think he went to Real Madrid cause of the money.
He was promised to play, but they didn't play him.
I think they honestly thought it was the best place to develop.
I agree with most on here, that he picked the wrong club, he would probably develop better at Ajax, or some other dutch team.
That said, at first i thought the kid was overrated, especially by the Norwegian media, but then i saw him play for Norway.... Against Croatia, he was MotM, by quite a margin.
The kid is really talented.
Hope he get a loan deal to a team in the bottom of La Liga or something.
Of course things can happen, and he don't get as good as people expect, but i still find it sad seeing grown ups calling him a flop, overrated, or just generally trashtalk him... He's just a kid who wants to play football.
He was promised to play, but they didn't play him.
I think they honestly thought it was the best place to develop.
I agree with most on here, that he picked the wrong club, he would probably develop better at Ajax, or some other dutch team.
That said, at first i thought the kid was overrated, especially by the Norwegian media, but then i saw him play for Norway.... Against Croatia, he was MotM, by quite a margin.
The kid is really talented.
Hope he get a loan deal to a team in the bottom of La Liga or something.
Of course things can happen, and he don't get as good as people expect, but i still find it sad seeing grown ups calling him a flop, overrated, or just generally trashtalk him... He's just a kid who wants to play football.
17 year old millionaire who may still have a fabulous career ahead of him looks at his poster and thinks 'where did it all go wrong?'
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17 years old? Squandered his gifts? I'll have some of what you are smoking my friend. You are talking like he is a 30 year old guy who sat on the bench his entire career - he is just a kid and just because he can't get into the Real Madrid first team at the age of 17 does not make him a failure. He has plenty of time to get his chance.
If he is still not getting a game at the age of 20 then we can talk.
Dont mind him, he's clearly bitter that Ødegaard didnt join the amazing Dortmund
He stuck at Madrid, what was a kind of forseeable. He had public troubles there, wanting more playtime and was a little bit ranting. Is that a good progress in your eyes? It was the worst decision him and his father could do. There were a lot options, where he would have played in first league games from the beginning, and eventualy have international football too. Talking of teams like Antwerpen, Gladbach, what ever.. Moving to Madrdid you can do 2,3 years later, even if he joins Madrid when he really has proofed that he is class and a respected player in the age of 25 or what ever would be enough. Now he is senselessly in the second team of Madrid, wants to play in the first team (which causes great atmosphere in his second team i guess) and having questionmarks over his head.
First and very important thing is this - as a 17 year old kid he is probably already set-up for life financially from the move so that was a great decision as a footballers career is short and could be even shorter through injury.
Second - he is training with some of the best players in the world there and with the best coaches which as a 17 year old is invaluable for his development
Third - He is only 17 and perhaps regular first-team football is beyond him at the moment, perhaps he needs to develop his physique more, perhaps he needs to develop mental strength, who knows - where better than to learn that at Real Madrid
Forthly - He is so young that if he isn't happy in another year or two he can move to another team, still aged below 20 years old and play all the football he wants at a lower level.
I think he is a great position when you consider his age, I really do. If the kid lacks the maturity and patience to see the bigger picture then perhaps he really isn't ready yet.
He won't be getting a game at age 20. I'm calling it now.
Not until he realises there's more to life as a footballer than money and thinks about what's best for his development. I think that obviously includes fecking off his money-grabbing father and we all know that's unlikely to happen.
I'm not saying not getting into the Madrid first team at 17 makes him a failure but for all the fuss that was made of him and touring him around Europe's biggest clubs, to end up at the one that practically guarantees you're not going to make it at any point just because of the glamour and pay packet means he's a fecking idiot and doesn't care about his own footballing future, just his financial one.
Madrid don't do young players, hell they barely develop the idiots that choose them over other clubs when they're the latest and greatest thing anyway and then feck them off for the next shiny plaything when the time comes. No young player should ever choose to go there unless they just want the ability to say they've played for Real Madrid. Especially when they've got a clause in their contract that means they train with the first team instead of the team they're actually playing with, it's ridiculous from a development point of view. He's basically a marketing toy.
That's your opinion, lets come back in 3 years and see what the situation is then before condemning him shall we?
Spot on.
Its not a question of failure or not at this point, its a question of what is the best for his development. And therefor Madrid was the worst decision, adding this stupid "wants to train with the first team and play with the second team", its a ridicolous decision from him and his father.
and balaks speech "he is now financialy save", please whats that for an argument?
That's not really true, Madrid will give you a chance if you deserve it but the competition is extremely high in their first team. The mistake made by Odegaard is that he didn't join their academy, at first I thought that it was what he was doing but when I realised that he actually signed for the first team, I also realised that he was maybe an idiot.
Joining Real Madrid academy is a great idea for a youth player because they have great youth coaches and they produce a lot of good players and at that age that's the only thing that matters, being provided a great footballing education, if you are exceptional you will join the first team, if you are good to very good, you will join one of the big Spanish teams like Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal and even Atletico.
This! As someone pointed out - if he can't learn a lot about football playing next to someone like Ronaldo and Bale - he will never learn anything. As for developing - he looks like he has gained 5 kilos of muscles since he joined Real - almost the same development Bale had. Is there a guarantee he would have done better at Ajax - yes they educate their kids in playing football, but which players would he learn from on the pitch ? He is 17 years old, it's not like his career is over because he can't break into Real Madrid before he is 18.
And the comparisons with Rashford, Rooney and Owen are a bit strange - Rashford would never be near our first-team without an injury crisis. Rooney was built like a tank at 16 - no other teenagers look like he did. As for Owen - read what Ferguson said about Liverpools (ab)use of Owen at the age of 17
It is a very valid point to make re: the financial side of things - I suspect if you were in this kid's shoes you would view the money side of things one of the most important aspects of your footballing career.
Yeah you are right, i mean if he wouldnt have joined Madrid he would be starving now.
No need to be sarcastic - he could break his leg in training this week and his career could be over - he did what most people would have done in his situation and accepted an outrageous deal he wouldnt have got anywhere else. No matter what else happens in his career now he is set-up for life. I honestly do not get why people get annoyed about things like this when probably 99% of us would do exactly the same thing.
If it doesnt work out with Real Madrid he can move on in another year or two but he probably wont earn what he is getting now or what he would earn if he breaks into the side and plays with Real.
Thats difficult. They will give him on lean yeah, with a buyback-clause, like always. Madrid is bad at making talents. Do you really think he would earn to less at Antwerpen,Gladbach,Ajax or somewhere else, man they dont get paid by nuts, even in this age. Your argument is none.
Loads of excellent players came through their academy, it is more that they don't play them in the first team.