Martial / joined Sevilla on loan

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golden_blunder said:
It was until he unnecessarily mentioned Jones. The man was out with a career threatening injury for 18 months. It’s not like he was doing “nothing”. Silly narrative. Even sillier to continue it
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Jones had that injury last 2 years. But what about time before that? Sure, he was injured a lot but he was always happy to be 4th, 5th choice instead doing like Smalling did and tried luck somewhere else. Same as Lingard this summer. Instead leaving and being regular player in WH, he decided to stay and be a part player.

To be clear here; it is their choice, nothing wrong in that. Maybe i would too rather be sub in United than first team player in smaller club but Martial is bashed for showing ambition (with which i disagree).
 
Judas said:
A tiny amount of people have this view, and its not one I see on here really? People are bored of the Martial FC crap, but would be more than happy to be proven wrong and for the player to deliver to his potential.
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crossy1686 said:
Not a single person in the world thinks this
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I was exaggerating to make a point, just like the poster I quoted.
It just makes me laugh that people talk about the so called Martial FC but turn a blind eye to those on the other side who use any excuse to shit on him. There’s plenty of them within our fanbase and this forum. Debates about him get massively polarised by the constant Martial FC nonsense making it impossible to have a reasonable conversation about him. You two jumping on my post but not saying anything about the post I responded to, which was equally exaggerated, kind of proves my point.
 
OL29 said:
I was exaggerating to make a point, just like the poster I quoted.
It just makes me laugh that people talk about the so called Martial FC but turn a blind eye to those on the other side who use any excuse to shit on him. There’s plenty of them within our fanbase and this forum. Debates about him get massively polarised by the constant Martial FC nonsense making it impossible to have a reasonable conversation about him. You two jumping on my post but not saying anything about the post I responded to, which was equally exaggerated, kind of proves my point.
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Mine may have also been an exaggerated point but there are factually people who chose Martial staying over managers with a far better resume who turns out were right about him all along
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Jones had that injury last 2 years. But what about time before that? Sure, he was injured a lot but he was always happy to be 4th, 5th choice instead doing like Smalling did and tried luck somewhere else. Same as Lingard this summer. Instead leaving and being regular player in WH, he decided to stay and be a part player.
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Up until Mourinho's final season he mostly played when fit. Then Mourinho left him out at start of that season, only for him to return to the first team once Ole came. During his new manager bounce the club tied him down for five (?) more years, only for him to be left out at the start of the following season.

If anything we've done him more wrong than he has done us.
 
charlenefan said:
Mine may have also been an exaggerated point but there are factually people who chose Martial staying over managers with a far better resume who turns out were right about him all along
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If you’re talking about Mourinho, I don’t think that means that they were concerned with Martial’s welfare over the club, they just thought Martial was on an upwards trajectory that could help get the club back to where we want to be, where as Mourinho looked to be getting more and more dated in his management style and incapable of leading us to major trophies.

Eventually, it ended up with neither being of the required standard but I don’t think people on either side of the argument placed any individual above the club, so I don’t understand why those who sided with Martial are vilified. It’s not like Mourinho went on to prove his worth elsewhere.
 
PSV said:
Up until Mourinho's final season he mostly played when fit. Then Mourinho left him out at start of that season, only for him to return to the first team once Ole came. During his new manager bounce the club tied him down for five (?) more years, only for him to be left out at the start of the following season.

If anything we've done him more wrong than he has done us.
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You've gotta be shitting me.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Jones had that injury last 2 years. But what about time before that? Sure, he was injured a lot but he was always happy to be 4th, 5th choice instead doing like Smalling did and tried luck somewhere else. Same as Lingard this summer. Instead leaving and being regular player in WH, he decided to stay and be a part player.

To be clear here; it is their choice, nothing wrong in that. Maybe i would too rather be sub in United than first team player in smaller club but Martial is bashed for showing ambition (with which i disagree).
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Jones was arguably first choice alongside smalling at that time. At least in between injuries.
your original post made sense to me, a used from unfairly tarring Jones with the lazy jibe
 
OL29 said:
If you’re talking about Mourinho, I don’t think that means that they were concerned with Martial’s welfare over the club, they just thought Martial was on an upwards trajectory that could help get the club back to where we want to be, where as Mourinho looked to be getting more and more dated in his management style and incapable of leading us to major trophies.

Eventually, it ended up with neither being of the required standard but I don’t think people on either side of the argument placed any individual above the club, so I don’t understand why those who sided with Martial are vilified. It’s not like Mourinho went on to prove his worth elsewhere.
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Mourinho had just lead us to 2 trophies in a season Martial had been a bit part player, he wanted him sold to free up funds for someone else and that's when Martial FC was born

Here we are nearly 6 years later we know how it's turned out with Martial would we really be any worse off had we sold him then?
 
charlenefan said:
Mourinho had just lead us to 2 trophies in a season Martial had been a bit part player, he wanted him sold to free up funds for someone else and that's when Martial FC was born

Here we are nearly 6 years later we know how it's turned out with Martial would we really be any worse off had we sold him then?
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charlenefan said:
Mourinho had just lead us to 2 trophies in a season Martial had been a bit part player, he wanted him sold to free up funds for someone else and that's when Martial FC was born

Here we are nearly 6 years later we know how it's turned out with Martial would we really be any worse off had we sold him then?
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I don’t really disagree that we wouldn’t have been much worse off if we sold Martial then, but conversely I don’t think we’d have been better off if we kept Mourinho either. I just think at the time a lot of people thought we could end up with another Salah or De Bruyne situation which isn’t that farfetched given Mourinho’s reluctance to develop young players.
 
He is a good player but suffers from consistency and form, perhaps due to lack of self-confidence or belief from the manager. His development, alongside players such as Rashford, has also not been helped by having to play in multiple systems and multiple managers with very different philosophies, each of which also struggled to fully implement their ideas.
 
crossy1686 said:
Being a manager isn’t about surrounding yourself with people you like, it’s about getting the most out of the people around you.
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Which my post does not contradict, so your point is?

crossy1686 said:
Getting rid of someone who’s not pulling in the same direction as the rest of the group is a must if you ever want to achieve anything in any line of work, and it’s not an easy decision to make but good managers make these assessments quickly and act quickly.
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And you're assuming that is the case for Martial in particular based on what?
 
Wade3 said:
And you're assuming that is the case for Martial in particular based on what?
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I would assume based on the fact that Martial requested a transfer as soon as Ralf was appointed. If you request to leave the group and make clear you don't want to be at the club anymore then I would say that is the definition of not pulling in the same direction as the rest of the group.
 
This is a bit of a weird loan deal. It's not like he's a kid that needs to get gametime to get on his feet. Not much money for us, and we lose a winger/striker when we're not exactly pumping in the goals. He isn't getting any game time but i'm not sure if that's even justified. I actually want him sold because a loan deal doesnt bring us much money so it doesn't do much for us. Maybe he finds form and we think he's worth keeping later or sell him for more? That's the only potential upside.
 
Wade3 said:
Which my post does not contradict, so your point is?



And you're assuming that is the case for Martial in particular based on what?
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Multiple managers not fancying him, lack of desire to compete for a place in the starting 11, years of inconsistency and a transfer request from himself with his agent speaking publicly about trying to get him out of the club.

That enough for you?
 
Seems like he was a bit of a malcontent. When on form, which wasn’t very often, he had a knack for a glorious highlight. The pullback around the keeper a couple of seasons ago was one of my all time favorite Utd goals.
 
I am very pleased for Martial. He’s obviously grown up in the last year or few months and wants to revive his career. Let’s hope he can, if he can ever fulfil his potential then we would have an amazing player.
 
USREDEVIL said:
This is a bit of a weird loan deal. It's not like he's a kid that needs to get gametime to get on his feet. Not much money for us, and we lose a winger/striker when we're not exactly pumping in the goals. He isn't getting any game time but i'm not sure if that's even justified. I actually want him sold because a loan deal doesnt bring us much money so it doesn't do much for us. Maybe he finds form and we think he's worth keeping later or sell him for more? That's the only potential upside.
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That's the whole point of this.
 
0le said:
He is a good player but suffers from consistency and form, perhaps due to lack of self-confidence or belief from the manager. His development, alongside players such as Rashford, has also not been helped by having to play in multiple systems and multiple managers with very different philosophies, each of which also struggled to fully implement their ideas.
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He is lazy and has a horrible attitude and all the talent in the world. A lot of players at Man United think there better than they are and that's what's wrong with the club, laziness and horrible attitudes thinking they don't have to work for the team. He'll give everything for Sevilla for the first 10 games and get loads of goals, then he will go back to his old lazy self. Do people forget when he played CF for us. Jesus. I'd understand the above if it was one or two seasons but this is his 7th season, no excuses for him with the talent he has.
 
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Get him out on loan......get him 15 games between now and the end of the season...and knowing how much of a finely and well oiled machine we are...like a top class BMW...RR’s analysts do major work on his performances and when the new manager walks off the pitch having been presented to the crowd at old Trafford on the last day of the season...Just before he heads down the tunnel...he is handed a big black book containing all he needs to know...well in time for preseason...during which Martial is reintegrated into the squad and we see him reach the potential we knew he had all along...Marcus-Mason-Martial all day baby...

Ever the optimist.
 
captaincantona said:
Get him out on loan......get him 15 games between now and the end of the season...and knowing how much of a finely and well oiled machine we are...like a top class BMW...RR’s analysts do major work on his performances and when the new manager walks off the pitch having been presented to the crowd at old Trafford on the last day of the season...Just before he heads down the tunnel...he is handed a big black book containing all he needs to know...well in time for preseason...during which Martial is reintegrated into the squad and we see him reach the potential we knew he had all along...Marcus-Mason-Martial all day baby...

Ever the optimist.
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:lol:
 
captaincantona said:
Get him out on loan......get him 15 games between now and the end of the season...and knowing how much of a finely and well oiled machine we are...like a top class BMW...RR’s analysts do major work on his performances and when the new manager walks off the pitch having been presented to the crowd at old Trafford on the last day of the season...Just before he heads down the tunnel...he is handed a big black book containing all he needs to know...well in time for preseason...during which Martial is reintegrated into the squad and we see him reach the potential we knew he had all along...Marcus-Mason-Martial all day baby...

Ever the optimist.
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Nice post
 
USREDEVIL said:
If you say so but playing in La Liga with another team with different tactics isn't really a crystal ball for us is it?
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A player like Martial, under contract, could reasonably be worth anywhere between say £10m & £75m. Right now he is near the bottom of that curve but a strong half season in Spain puts him a lot nearer the top. That's why United are doing this. We have far more to gain than to lose here.
 
Hopefully martial fc feck off to Sevilla with him.
 
AngliaRed said:
The exact sort of lazy player Roy Keane meant when he said “ this bunch of players will
throw any manager under the bus” a few seasons ago.

Should of gone 2 years ago.

Hopefully he does well and we can some decent
money for him.
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Except he wasn't playing when the last manager got sacked and kept the previous one in a job for his last 2 months.

The quality hasn't been there for the last year or two with Martial but all the drama about his attitude is overplayed. A few of the favourites (a couple of which Keane would never speak about) have contributed to far more toxicity this season than Martial ever has.

I think the same is true in terms of laziness as well, actually.
 
CM10 said:
Except he wasn't playing when the last manager got sacked and kept the previous one in a job for his last 2 months.

The quality hasn't been there for the last year or two with Martial but all the drama about his attitude is overplayed. A few of the favourites (a couple of which Keane would never speak about) have contributed to far more toxicity this season than Martial ever has.

I think the same is true in terms of laziness as well, actually.
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Only Ronaldo and Cavani. Everybody else he has slated at some point. He did also point out you can't depend on Cavani with his injuries.
 
charlenefan said:
Do they though? Wasted transfer fees plus the amount of compensation they pay out for sacked managers nah I'm not believing it
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Their net transfer spend is about half of United's and City's. They're closer to Villa, Spurs and Everton in that regard whilst obviously getting better results. Only Liverpool could claim to have been better in the market than them in the past 5 years.
 
OL29 said:


I think most sources are saying he’s taking a pay cut, I’m sure someone on here said BBC verified this too.
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Manchester United have agreed a deal which will see Anthony Martial join Sevilla on loan for the rest of the season, subject to a medical.

There is no option to buy and no loan fee but the Spanish club will cover the striker's wages.
France forward Martial, 26, has been targeted by the Spanish club for a number of months.

It is thought he has indicated a willingness to take a pay cut to allow the deal to go through.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60120346
 
Unless I read the currencies wrong, it seems Sevilla is paying him 230K/week when his contract is for 250K, so if you give me a second to take my calculator out......Yes, it looks like it's 20K less per week wage cut.
 
Sayros said:
Unless I read the currencies wrong, it seems Sevilla is paying him 230K/week when his contract is for 250K, so if you give me a second to take my calculator out......Yes, it looks like it's 20K less per week wage cut.
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If I was in charge at Sevilla the money itself wouldn't be as important as the pay cut being evidence he's coming because he wants to play football.
 
Sayros said:
Unless I read the currencies wrong, it seems Sevilla is paying him 230K/week when his contract is for 250K, so if you give me a second to take my calculator out......Yes, it looks like it's 20K less per week wage cut.
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Sevilla seem to really believe that Martial could be a deciding factor for challenging RM. Hope he believes the same.
 
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