He said €6m is the cost of the entire package which is wages + some loan fee.
Martial / joined Sevilla on loan
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Martial FC is something else. They make Arsenal fans and the dippers seem reasonable.
Feck all? The man is the reason we progressed past the group stage in the CL. Remind me again where was Martial just 1 year ago in the same group stages under Ole?
My heart breaks watching this.
Grow up.
He's spent few years here, his teammates like him, it's literally the best surrounding he can get, and his problem has always been his lack of effort, so I really doubt going to Sevilla will help him a lot. He is not a kid anymore.
His problem has always been mentally, and his lack of effort, I don't see how letting him go far away where we won't have any control over him will make him better player.
Give me one example where well run club lets player under their contract in similar situation go on a loan?
World cup year, best moment for him to play regularly and as a result, spark interest for the summer.Wait, we are loaning 26 year old who has couple of years left on his contract to Spain? We are laughable.
What exactly do we think it will happen once he is back? That he will be reincarnation of CR7 on top of his game?
I completely disagree with that first line. Martial's 2019/20 season when he played up front was his best at the club by a long way. He looked a genuine quality player for a consistent period of time for the first time in his career.
Ole did an absolutely magnificent job with him and it looked like United had struck gold.
But then the 2020/21 season happened. He started poorly, got sent off vs Spurs and his head dropped. His confidence went and he was back to being the frustrating wasted talent he was prior to 2019/20.
He's a fantastic talent but you can't be such a fragile character at a club like United. No matter how well he plays, you always feel he's only a set back away from being a shell of his true ability.
Best case is he has a fantastic spell at Sevilla and gets a big money move somewhere.
Good stuff
Because the money we’d want for him doesn’t correspond with his current form, and the type of sides interested in him (I.E. Sevilla) cannot afford the full package of his wage + a transfer fee.
The point of this loan is to prep him for a summer sale by giving him game time. If he can get around 7-12 G/A’s in the last 16 games for Sevilla, suddenly, say ~20-30m doesn’t seem like a completely outlandish sum to request.
Imagine if it was him who scored the winner rather than Rashford.
The arrival of Zlatan probably wrecked him a little and that jersey number changing thing. That said, he’s such a meek character when someone comes in and challenges his spot
But it wasn't?
He thinks he's a 9 and he isn't. He's an 11 and he doesn't want to be. It's stalled his career. He has to go because of this as we need 9 to replace Cavani and he can't do it. He's an added extra, a luxury on a high wage we just don't need. Hopefully he will play really well for Sevilla and we will get a good fee in the summer to put towards Cavani's replacement. Maybe it's a sign that RR's sensible squad building advice is starting to be heard.
You hit the nail on the head...we are not well run
But there were some big deals of top players on contract going on loan. Tevez came to us on an initial loan deal, Courtois from Chelsea to Madrid was also an initial loan. Both wanting a change and not getting game time...
We can't rely on him to perform consistently over a season. He has proved that in the 7 years he's been with us. Why on earth would you like him to return based on what I just said?
I sometimes think that fans don't want us to return to the top.
He's been deemed not good enough to play for this club. The odd good game every now and then doesn't change that.
Martial just isn’t that good. That was always his problem. At least he looks like a £40 million player but some of our fans wanted him to be a superstar 100m player. That was never gonna happen.
He lives on moments but unlike Ronaldo his football IQ just isn’t there and you can’t teach that really despite blaming our managers.
Mourinho is one of the GOAT’s he knows how to train top players. I trust his judgement on Martial completely. Hazard won the POTY award under Mou for example yet he wanted Martial gone.
People still being baffled as to why he's going on loan instead of being sold, especially in this current window and after how he's playing just aren't really paying attention or just want another reason to get angry at the club.
I'm sorry to see him go in the sense of the potential of what he could have been for United but I feel he never had the mentality to be an United player.
Whenever he gets new competition he sinks back into his shell, it's happened when we brought Zlatan to the club and Cavani.
I hope he does well, but his race at United has been run.
Now onto getting more players out the door. To be honest there's few I'd lose sleep over if they left. The mentality of this squad is all over the place.
Whenever he gets new competition he sinks back into his shell, it's happened when we brought Zlatan to the club and Cavani.
I hope he does well, but his race at United has been run.
Now onto getting more players out the door. To be honest there's few I'd lose sleep over if they left. The mentality of this squad is all over the place.
I hope not, he's had plenty already, enough is enough.
Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. He has the fight of a stoned kitten in a plastic bag.
When you go do one, mate.
Imagine using your limited posts for this, fecking hell.
A great talent. Strange that he makes an impact on Saturday and is immediately gone. I fear we are currently using too many players who are incapable of making an impact regularly
Ultimately he just isn't all that good a footballer, despite whatever talent people thought he had. I'm sure he'll end up at a decent level wherever he moves to permanently but at 26 years old and after 268 appearances, he is what he is.
Of all the arguments to use
This is the same Mourinho that was desperate to sign Sanchez, which completely derailed the performances of Rashford and Martial that season. The same Mourinho that was happy to see Salah and De Bruyne feck off from his Chelsea side.
He looked a genuine quality player for the first half of the season he arrived.
As far as I can remember, he was playing up front then as well. His form dipped when he was moved to the left on Rooney’s return.
He had plenty of good games on the left under Jose, so it’s not like he’s incapable of doing well there.
I certainly think he could have been better managed at United; like Shaw, he’s a high maintenance player who needs regular doses of both arm-round-shoulder and kick-up-backside. But you’re right: he’s just not tough enough to perform consistently at United.
Yeah we should have kept faith with Jose and fully backed him. His stellar managerial career since leaving us proves how stupid we were.Of all the arguments to use
This is the same Mourinho that was desperate to sign Sanchez, which completely derailed the performances of Rashford and Martial that season. The same Mourinho that was happy to see Salah and De Bruyne feck off from his Chelsea side.
Oh wait…
What would that have done...
Martial has scored a lot of goals during his time at United, that doesn't take away from the core problem that means he should be moved on. Rashford needs to pick himself up as well over the rest of the season or the discussion on him being moved on will be had as well. You can't have players on north of £200k/week that are not putting in 7/10 performances most weeks.
I thought Martial was great when he came on but I have seen him do this so many times over the years, get a run in the team and just drift away again. He puts in a match winning performance, gets a few starts and is completely anonymous and sulks around the pitch until he is benched again.
He’s never really been the same since that little spat
How dare you try and back one of our players up with a bit of logic and reasoning!
Totally agree with you by the way on every point
Provided that is exactly the same situation with EVERY sale attempt on our behalf, it just means that our valuations are way off the mark
Reading through the thread and I don't understand how people are baffled by the loan or criticising the club for it. It's easy to understand.
1) He's been absolutely gash for ages, meaning no club is (reasonably) going to spend the type of cash we'd want for him in the current economic climate. As such, going on loan to a team where he may perform for the next 5/6 months rather than sitting on the bench makes perfect sense as it gives him an opportunity to sell himself.
2) which club do you think is actually going to spend the cash on him at present? Barca are skint, Real/Bayern/PSG etc aren't interested, Juve are acting like paupers wanting to take him on loan, and any other club will simply put in low-ball offers. Who exactly are we meant to sell him to?
1) He's been absolutely gash for ages, meaning no club is (reasonably) going to spend the type of cash we'd want for him in the current economic climate. As such, going on loan to a team where he may perform for the next 5/6 months rather than sitting on the bench makes perfect sense as it gives him an opportunity to sell himself.
2) which club do you think is actually going to spend the cash on him at present? Barca are skint, Real/Bayern/PSG etc aren't interested, Juve are acting like paupers wanting to take him on loan, and any other club will simply put in low-ball offers. Who exactly are we meant to sell him to?
Martials stats are alarmingly similar to Rashford apart from last season. 2019/20 was their best year in terms of output. Prior to that Rashford and Martial goals/assists ratio was very close. If you can say Martial is a shell of a player he was in 2019 then the same can be said of Rashford. With Rashfords form this year you can also say he's always one setback from his true ability. The truth is United have been sht for years. Name a player that has been consistent? No one. Not even De Gea who had a bad season. You cant single out one player for being weak and inconsistent when its all of them!
Hope he does well there.
Goodbye Toto. Martial FC till the end baby!
Wow one season. I mean mentally he checked out a long time ago
Strangely I don't think it's the end of the road for Martial at United though I believe he should ideally leave permanently in Summer .
Saul Niguez at Chelsea,
Batshuayi from Chelsea,
Guendouzi at Arsenal
We saw it with lingard here too.
Probably a fair few in Spain and Italy I'd imagine too.
Happens pretty frequently.
Honestly a change of scene could do him some good.
He's been stuck in the United bubble for a few years now. We saw with Lingard that something different could reignite his fire.
He's still a good player, just needs to find consistency and maybe a joy of playing again.
He's been stuck in the United bubble for a few years now. We saw with Lingard that something different could reignite his fire.
He's still a good player, just needs to find consistency and maybe a joy of playing again.
I see some are saying the season at CF fcuked him. I agree but not in the way suggested. I think after that he himself considers himself a CF not a LW. Not the only reason of course. Lack of effort seen way too often. He has the undoubted talent but needs to apply it consistently. I hope the loan helps him sort his head out and he makes a success off it. I think his time at United is done but a nice few for a rejuvenated player would be nice.
on a seperate note, I think he would have suited arsenal perfectly
on a seperate note, I think he would have suited arsenal perfectly
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