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2014-15 Performances


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You really don't like him ... At least you have been 100% consistent in your opinion!

Reminds me of how you hounded poor Hargreaves :p

Posting that Fellaini was shocking in the first half doesn't mean you don't like him. It means you watched the match and had some kind of clue as to what was going on
 
He had some good tackling in the 2nd half, sure but positioning was poor as usual.
 
I do agree, but its also true that most players and especially those of a similar type to Fellaini - the Wanyamas, Tiotes, etc are all going to do better when they arent immediately closed down as soon as the ball goes near them. Because they dont have the touch and technique to perfectly get away from those hunting. Thats where you'd want to see them use their power to hold off someone if his touch is a bit loose, but he doesnt really do that as well as the rest and you cant always rely on it either.

Understand your point but I would argue that none of those players are of the desired quality for Utd for the exact reasons you state. We have to be looking for better.

Matic does the job well, Toure outstanding. We've got to be looking for better than what fellaini brings.
 
Unbelievable how much people will just hate on him....

He player really well today and helped Manchester United beat Liverpool yet he's not good enough for our side?

Well done Fellaini. Even initiated the third goal.
I disagree that he played very well today. His first half was awful, after the break he did well. Underwhelming overall.

I don't hate the guy, I just don't think he's nearly good enough at the basics of football to play midfielder in a team that wants to dominate and control games. He simply ruins too many attacks with a poor first touch or an underhit or wayward pass. And if a destroyer is what you want, there are tons of players with better positional awareness and distribution.
 
Started off really poorly but had a good game in the end. Really got stuck in there and won the ball back loads of times. A shame on the ball he isn't that good. Don't like it when he plays deep as he isn't sure with his passing at all, but he's obviously a useful player to have. Think he had something like 10 tackles today, which isn't bad at all.
 
Unbelievable how much people will just hate on him....

He player really well today and helped Manchester United beat Liverpool yet he's not good enough for our side?

Well done Fellaini. Even initiated the third goal.
People criticize his flaws and these flaws were evident today. His passing was poor and too sloppy, he gave the ball away so many times but unlike last game, we were not directly punished for it. His touch was also very poor and he just kept losing the ball. In the build up, he doesn't have the skill and vision to build up our game and distribute the ball as I would expect from a midfielder. He was good a couple of weeks back but based on the last 2 games, he shouldn't be starting
 
You really don't like him ... At least you have been 100% consistent in your opinion!

Reminds me of how you hounded poor Hargreaves :p
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Even Sir Alex admitted in his latest book he was disappointed with Hargreaves. He was referring to his his play rather than his injuries which are unfortunate.
 
Unbelievable how much people will just hate on him....

He player really well today and helped Manchester United beat Liverpool yet he's not good enough for our side?

Well done Fellaini. Even initiated the third goal.
Just because fans give an opinion on a player hardly means they hate him as a person.
 
Impressed he didn't get himself sent off in the second half.

Provides no protection at all and can't pass, so I'm not sure I like him as a CDM.

I'd drop him, move Carrick forward and play a four-man defence but I don't think Van Gaal wants that against tough opposition without any of his first choice full-backs available.
I'm hoping once we have fit full-backs we will see Carrick and Blind with Herrera as a midfield Three. Di Maria, Rooney, Mata, RvP, and Falcao fighting for the front Three places.
 
Just because fans give an opinion on a player hardly means they hate him as a person.

For some reason though, a number of his defenders in this thread seem to take every insult to him personally, with the odd accusations of people being poor fans because they have a contrary opinion on him.:lol:
 
He's brilliant at taking the ball of the feet of forwards running at our defence. He's brilliant at defending set pieces. He's really helped us shore up a well dodgy defence. He doesn't offer too much from an attacking sense apart from attacking set pieces but in fairness to him he keeps the ball moving a lot better than any of us imagined but his passing is still not man utd level. There's just no way Herrera will oust him from the team this season in central mid as we would get walked all over in central mid if it was just carrick and Herrera. Herrera needs to bulk up a bit before being ready to be considered first team material in central mid
 
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was shaky early in the game but improved later on. It s always nice to see a player proving his doubters wrong.
 
I really dont get the criticism after this match. We all know what kind of player he is and that he is limited on the ball. He isn’t a defensive midfielder – never was and never will be. He is a dynamic player, who needs the freedom to join the striker in and around the box, while adding hustle and strength in midfield. He needs at least one defensive/controlling player next to him, eventually two.

Personally I doubt that a top club (= club that wants to compete for titles in league and CL) wants him as a regular starter, because he isn’t top-notch quality and he shows his best in a niche-role (I am inclined to say opportunistic role), that many top club just don’t use.

So all that in mind LvG fields him as the only proper midfielder with 3 defender, 2 winbacks, 3 striker and a #10 in a weird 5-1-4. Overall Rooney played well, but he failed to support him in the first HT and Mata wasn’t even existing as midfielder during this period, while Liverpool constantly pressed him. There are maybe 4-5 players in the world that would look good under these circumstances. Carrick struggles almost every time when he is getting pressed and doesn’t get solid support. Even genuine world-class holding player (e.g. Alonso, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Pirlo) often look fairly useless against strong pressing, when the rest of the team isn’t doing well.

So why would anyone expect miracles from Fellaini?

He deserved a lot of stick for his performance against Southampton, because he chickened out and was in hiding. He didn’t do that all today. He was available and tried to maintain possession and to link defense and offense. Of course he struggled heavily, but other than Mata or Rooney at least he tried to take over responsibility. Without him there wouldn’t have been a United-midfield in the first HT. In the second HT he got more support and looked much better.

LvG certainly deserves a lot more stick for using this lineup. Furthermore regardless of what the manager told Mata and Rooney, they should have supported Fellaini.

It’s one thing to acknowledge Fellaini´s limitations – we talked about this a thousand times – but it’s another thing to actually criticize him, while doing reasonably well considering the difficult circumstances. It’s not his fault, when the manager plays him out of position without proper support and it’s not his fault, that other player, who should have helped him, didn’t do that.

I am not his biggest fan and it was a mistake to buy him, but that doesn’t mean that I need to criticize him all the time. He is showing the right mentality and is performing on a reasonable good level this season – something that I can’t say about the majority of our players.
 
We're doing something wrong when expecting your central midfielder not to wildly misplace passes between midfield and defence is seen as a "miracle"

He was terrible in the first half because he couldn't do the simple things right. Nobody was expecting him to score or set up attacks, but giving the ball away a lot in your own half and getting booked within 5 minutes, and continuing to foul people getting the refs attention clearly isnt good enough.

Fellaini knows that and did better in the 2nd half
 
But why can't we play someone who's both better from a defensive point of view as well as got a great range of passing? (Carrick)

And why can't we complement that one player with players who can move their feet in defense, doesn't get overrun easily and actually provides movement and creativity when attacking? (Herrera, Di Maria, Rooney)

What I'm asking is: Why do we need to play someone who needs to be carried by his partners?

Because 1) Carrick is playing in 3 men defense at the moment, deal with it, LVG wants a ball playing player from the back and Carrick is our best defender second game in a row, it will look like this in the 352 system.
2) He's carrying likes of Mata, Herrera, ADM or Blind from physical point of view. This, plus he's putting a lot more tackles in than the aforementioned former three, so they carry him passing wise, he carries them in other aspects of the game that some here try to ignore for some reason.

If you need a reminder why we need to balance our midfield somehow and not just put three attacking oriented players ahead of the defending midfielder, Leicester game was a good example.

And Jesus, ADM wasn't available today, and you'd put who as a CDM today ahead of Fellaini? Herrera? Play a midfield trio of Herrera, Rooney and Mata? Seriously?

He's not a perfect CDM as seen in two last games but still the most viable option that we have right now, given that Carrick is playing a CB and Blind is out.
 
We're doing something wrong when expecting your central midfielder not to wildly misplace passes between midfield and defence is seen as a "miracle"

He was terrible in the first half because he couldn't do the simple things right. Nobody was expecting him to score or set up attacks, but giving the ball away a lot in your own half and getting booked within 5 minutes, and continuing to foul people getting the refs attention clearly isnt good enough.

Fellaini knows that and did better in the 2nd half
you would hate Schweinsteiger or Alonso.
 
Fellani is a million miles away from looking like a starting player for us. People r lowering their standards trying to shoehorn him in
 
He's just nowhere near good enough on the ball and too clumsy without it to play in that deep role. This is not anything new, we have known this since last season. He could easily have been sent off today. If Moreno (?) had mad a meal of one of his challenges early in the 2nd half he could have been gone.

He definitely has a role to play in the squad though, he has proved his worth this season in a more advanced role.
 
He improved dramatically in the second half.

At this moment with the squad he has, LVG obviously sees Fellaini as a key part of his midfield, and I can't disagree.

This is how I see it, its not a question of Fellaini keeping Herrera or anyone else out for that matter. Its a matter of balance and until we get a better option we should stick with him.
 
He didn't foul anyone (in 1st half, dunno about 2nd because I had to leave) after his booking.

I only remember him making one foul in the 2nd half. He did get away with one when he clattered into a Liverpool player off the ball, but nothing was given.

He had a ropey opening 10 or 15 minutes, but he grew into the game and did well. He's an excellent ball winner.
 
I'm wrong in your opinion ,not mine. Fair enough, squad player but nowhere near a starter

I watched the match with a pub full of Liverpool fans, an fellani is rightly viewed as r weakest link
 
I like him. Sure, he's not a 1st XI player but he has a key role to play in a squad of 24. Like he has done this season with our crazy injury crisis.
Once we are back to Europe next season, when the games come thick and fast and we need to win ugly, we'll need his strength and stamina.
Especially on a cold windy night in Stoke when the daisy flowers like Mata, Herrera, Di Maria etc miss the Spanish sun on their backs.

 
I am flabbergasted that people are defending his first half performance here. Yes, he got better in the second half. Yes, he has had a few good moments for us this season. However, if we want to be challenging for anything then I don't think he is up to the standard required. Some of his first half misplaced passes were atrocious. I would've taken any random Joe from the pub in his place...
 
With Fellaini we just got to make sure we don't ask him to do things that don't play to his strengths. His first touch isn't that great so we should try not to play him into trouble i.e. when he's marked, his vision isn't great so we shouldn't have him in a role where he has to pick the ball up and start things off. Fellaini is effective in and around the final third, bringing the ball down and bringing people into play. He did that well a number of times today. He is also good at being a physical and putting himself about, but he can get sucked out of position so its a bit unfair to him to ask him to play the Carrick role. Give him the freedom of the third man in midfield, so he can roam about and be a nuisance, without compromising our shape.
I agree with you, I also think he tends to let players run post him that a defensive midfielder would pick up. His touch passing is about good enough but if you get him in the final third he's an excellent outlet for crosses and good at finding his teammates in the box.
 
He's brilliant at taking the ball of the feet of forwards running at our defence. He's brilliant at defending set pieces. He's really helped us shore up a well dodgy defence. He doesn't offer too much from an attacking sense apart from attacking set pieces but in fairness to him he keeps the ball moving a lot better than any of us imagined but his passing is still not man utd level. There's just no way Herrera will oust him from the team this season in central mid as we would get walked all over in central mid if it was just carrick and Herrera. Herrera needs to bulk up a bit before being ready to be considered first team material in central mid

No he doesn't. This has been said a lot and it makes no sense. He's acquitted himself very well in the PL. He's no pushover. People were saying this too before he even signed for us and I think its stuck in their minds as a default 'deficiency' to his game. You only need to watch his games before his injury to see that that statement makes no sense at all
 
I am flabbergasted that people are defending his first half performance here. Yes, he got better in the second half. Yes, he has had a few good moments for us this season. However, if we want to be challenging for anything then I don't think he is up to the standard required. Some of his first half misplaced passes were atrocious. I would've taken any random Joe from the pub in his place...

He did the exact same pass from the Southampton game that led to their goal. He wasn't even under pressure.
 
Some people don't think he's good enough long-term to be a first team player for us. It's hardly a ridiculous opinion.
Agreed

But, we should give credit where it's due. He's getting stick for doing a role that no one else is available to do at the moment with blind injured and carrick at cb.

It seems some people, looking at you Escobar, would rather see a midfield of mata-Herrera-Rooney. Sorry but that's just bonkers. We've already got wingers at wingback!
 
He has done okay of late, but as Souness described him, 'he just doesn't have enough football inside him'.

The fact that he freezes or never elects to take any option that presents more of a challenge than a short lateral pass to an unmarked colleague makes it difficult to see him as a United midfielder long term. So many times I'm seeing passes, ones that can be pulled off by any midfielder who is good at football, not necessarily Xavi - but Fellaini is too scared to even try it. People can say that he isn't in the team for that, but I'd argue that he is. De Gea isn't in the team for that, fair enough - but if you are midfield player, then there is a chance that you will find yourself in a situation where it is you, not the Spaniard next to you, who has the penetrative pass on, or the shot from the edge of the box. It isn't good enough to say it isn't your role, your team needs to win and everyone needs to do their bit, which includes a central midfielder taking initiative with the ball.

To pluck a name, many times this season, if it were perhaps De Rossi, we would have got a good shot off, or played the runner through instead of looking for safety. Amd De Rossi wouldn't have even been in the tean for that either, just that he is a good enoigh footballer that you can't take the piss and leave him with the ball unchallenged in your half for too long.
 
I wonder what for you is a good midfield performance. I surely didn't see one today
The people who didn't recognise the good work he did today, it's pretty obvious you'll never appreciate anything remotely decent Fellaini does. He won the ball back and set off Mata for the third goal, can you not remember even that?
 
Good at nicking the ball.

Happy with his peformance. His presence in midfield and ability to get a tackle in and catch attackers unaware was important.
 
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