[Pogue Mahone]

You said it yourself Carrick is 32 therefore not in his prime anymore when Fellaini is 27 and logically supposed to show us his best self. Being lenient for a player who isn't in his prime seems logic to me.

You could swap "isn't in his prime" for "is in his first season at his new club" or "is struggling with injuries" or "playing as part of a team having a season from hell" (or all three!) and you'd be talking about Fellaini last season too.

It was a weird season in that way. You had, at most, two United players who actually played consistently well but excuses made for almost every one one of the others apart from the one player who had all their excuses plus the fact he was trying to settle into a new team/club. He basically became a lightening rod for all the anger/discontent about everything else that was going wrong under Moyes (he had the right build for it, to be fair)

 

[JPRouve]

You could swap "isn't in his prime" for "is in his first season at his new club" or "is struggling with injuries" or "playing as part of a team having a season from hell" (or all three!) and you'd be talking about Fellaini last season too.

It was a weird season in that way. You had, at most, two United players who actually played consistently well but excuses made for almost every one one of the others apart from the one player who had all their excuses plus the fact he was trying to settle into a new team/club. He basically became a lightening rod for all the anger/discontent about everything else that was going wrong under Moyes (he had the right build for it, to be fair)

I have no problem with Fellaini last season, the fact that he came late, was injured, had to play with Cleverley, was the only addition, under an uncomfortable Moyes wasn't easy.

Now we should except more from Fellaini than Carrick because one his supposed to be the present and the other one is the "past", unless Fellaini is not seen as a starter, then he is fine.

 

[Shimo]

I like Fellaini in the team - his detractors whine about us resorting to the long ball as though that's all we end up doing when he is playing, which is hardly the case. What Fellaini has provided us is an option and that is the mark of many successful United sides under Fergie. So many times we've seen Arsenal derided because not having a PlanB, even the great Barcelona were found wanting more than a few times because they stuck to playing just one way. Last year we cried about the 81 crosses against Fulham because we didn't know how to change up. With the teams we've been putting out, with Fellaini we have the options on the field to play the more technical game and at the same time still play the "hoof ball", a totally valid way to play football, though to some it has no place on the field.

Fellaini himself now that he is playing with confidence and well does not only give us the physical side though - in the recent games he's shown it's not just about elbows and chest downs. He isn't a technical wizard and isn't playing the most creative / penetrative passing game but, he has not been completely devoid of it either. Our lack of creativity has not down to him being on the field, that falls more on LVG trying to find balance as well as the players like ADM, Rooney, Januzaj that are supposed to give us that creative edge not performing as they can.

Like when Park, Fletcher, O'Shea used to be on the team, they had their job on the field while players like Ronnie, Tevez, Rooney, Nani etc were the ones that gave us that thrust going forward.

He had a shit first year but, he is doing his job right now quite well and while there is room for improvement, others need to step up their performances.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I like Fellaini in the team - his detractors whine about us resorting to the long ball as though that's all we end up doing when he is playing, which is hardly the case. What Fellaini has provided us is an option and that is the mark of many successful United sides under Fergie. So many times we've seen Arsenal derided because not having a PlanB, even the great Barcelona were found wanting more than a few times because they stuck to playing just one way. Last year we cried about the 81 crosses against Fulham because we didn't know how to change up. With the teams we've been putting out, with Fellaini we have the options on the field to play the more technical game and at the same time still play the "hoof ball", a totally valid way to play football, though to some it has no place on the field.

Fellaini himself now that he is playing with confidence and well does not only give us the physical side though - in the recent games he's shown it's not just about elbows and chest downs. He isn't a technical wizard and isn't playing the most creative / penetrative passing game but, he has not been completely devoid of it either. Our lack of creativity has not down to him being on the field, that falls more on LVG trying to find balance as well as the players like ADM, Rooney, Januzaj that are supposed to give us that creative edge not performing as they can.

Like when Park, Fletcher, O'Shea used to be on the team, they had their job on the field while players like Ronnie, Tevez, Rooney, Nani etc were the ones that gave us that thrust going forward.

He had a shit first year but, he is doing his job right now quite well and while there is room for improvement, others need to step up their performances.

Indeed. Someone posted stats a while back which showed no difference in the average number of long passes, before and after the WBA game.

 

[OnlyTwoDaSilvas]

I like Fellaini in the team - his detractors whine about us resorting to the long ball as though that's all we end up doing when he is playing, which is hardly the case. What Fellaini has provided us is an option and that is the mark of many successful United sides under Fergie. So many times we've seen Arsenal derided because not having a PlanB, even the great Barcelona were found wanting more than a few times because they stuck to playing just one way. Last year we cried about the 81 crosses against Fulham because we didn't know how to change up. With the teams we've been putting out, with Fellaini we have the options on the field to play the more technical game and at the same time still play the "hoof ball", a totally valid way to play football, though to some it has no place on the field.

Fellaini himself now that he is playing with confidence and well does not only give us the physical side though - in the recent games he's shown it's not just about elbows and chest downs. He isn't a technical wizard and isn't playing the most creative / penetrative passing game but, he has not been completely devoid of it either. Our lack of creativity has not down to him being on the field, that falls more on LVG trying to find balance as well as the players like ADM, Rooney, Januzaj that are supposed to give us that creative edge not performing as they can.

Like when Park, Fletcher, O'Shea used to be on the team, they had their job on the field while players like Ronnie, Tevez, Rooney, Nani etc were the ones that gave us that thrust going forward.

He had a shit first year but, he is doing his job right now quite well and while there is room for improvement, others need to step up their performances.

Good post.

His qualities as a footballer seem largely underrated, which I imagine is because people have decided they just plain don't like him, so he has no chance of redeeming himself, no matter what he does. Even by playing well, which he has been doing.

He's doing his job on the pitch to good effect. He's winning us the midfield battle and retaining possession. I do prefer Herrera, but Fellaini is doing things that I doubt anyone else in our squad could do. Fair play to him for taking his chance when Herrera got injured. He's deservedly remained in the side.

 

[kouroux]

I like it when he plays and he is instructed to stay close to Blind or whoever else is playing and not when he ventures forward.

 

[Roboc7]

I like Fellaini in the team - his detractors whine about us resorting to the long ball as though that's all we end up doing when he is playing, which is hardly the case. What Fellaini has provided us is an option and that is the mark of many successful United sides under Fergie. So many times we've seen Arsenal derided because not having a PlanB, even the great Barcelona were found wanting more than a few times because they stuck to playing just one way. Last year we cried about the 81 crosses against Fulham because we didn't know how to change up. With the teams we've been putting out, with Fellaini we have the options on the field to play the more technical game and at the same time still play the "hoof ball", a totally valid way to play football, though to some it has no place on the field.

Fellaini himself now that he is playing with confidence and well does not only give us the physical side though - in the recent games he's shown it's not just about elbows and chest downs. He isn't a technical wizard and isn't playing the most creative / penetrative passing game but, he has not been completely devoid of it either. Our lack of creativity has not down to him being on the field, that falls more on LVG trying to find balance as well as the players like ADM, Rooney, Januzaj that are supposed to give us that creative edge not performing as they can.

Like when Park, Fletcher, O'Shea used to be on the team, they had their job on the field while players like Ronnie, Tevez, Rooney, Nani etc were the ones that gave us that thrust going forward.

He had a shit first year but, he is doing his job right now quite well and while there is room for improvement, others need to step up their performances.

At the moment he is doing his job and doing it well but I still don’t think his performances are anything to write home about, he was bought to be the player he was at Everton, that is what the over rated fee and his wages reflect and he has to reach that level to justify staying in the team for this rest of this season and beyond.

I don’t think it can be disputed that we will ever get the best out of him unless we play a lot more direct and bring his chest control and aerial ability into play a lot more regularly, he doesn’t possess the skill set to be as effective in a side playing a style of football with more emphasis on passing and movement at the top level. To be honest I hope our aim going forward is the latter rather than the former but in the meantime whatever personnel or formation helps us get points is all I am interested in.

 

[Brwned]

Fellaini gives us a plan B but he also makes our plan A less effective by removing the energy, tidiness and impetus that Herrera gives us and offering less overall in return.

 

[FlawlessThaw]

Fellaini gives us a plan B but he also makes our plan A less effective by removing the energy, tidiness and impetus that Herrera gives us and offering less overall in return.

That's a good and succinct way of putting it. I feel like we have been extremely lacking in creativity since Fellaini came on against West Brom, some players despite not playing badly at all aren't necessarily good for the rest of the team based on what their strengths are.

 

[Blue always red]

Big teams have big

Fellaini gives us a plan B but he also makes our plan A less effective by removing the energy, tidiness and impetus that Herrera gives us and offering less overall in return.

I agree about the fact that Herrera brings much more energy and drive to the midfield but I honestly think Fellaini is the tidier player. I think it'll come down to horses for courses. Big CL game against a technically advanced team? Throw Fellaini on to disrupt their rhythm.

 

[Water Melon]

Big teams have big

I agree about the fact that Herrera brings much more energy and drive to the midfield but I honestly think Fellaini is the tidier player. I think it'll come down to horses for courses. Big CL game against a technically advanced team? Throw Fellaini on to disrupt their rhythm.

I'd throw Herrera in to disrupt their rhythm. A technically advanced team will hardly play long balls, they will play fast passing game, where Herrera's energy and ability to read the game will be more handy imo. I can see Fellaini giving away too many dangerous fouls against the likes of Bayern and Barca.

 

[limerickcitykid]

I'd throw Herrera in to disrupt their rhythm. A technically advanced team will hardly play long balls, they will play fast passing game, where Herrera's energy and ability to read the game will be more handy imo.

Fellaini is able to disrupt more than just winning long balls. Fabregas wasn't largely ineffective against us because Fellaini was stopping him getting on the end of long balls.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Fellaini gives us a plan B but he also makes our plan A less effective by removing the energy, tidiness and impetus that Herrera gives us and offering less overall in return.

"Tidiness" to me implies good ball retention and really accurate passing. Which isn't really something I'd associate with Herrera so far.

Agree about energy and impetus but they're essentially the same thing and you're being very generous to attribute that to Hererra when it's been most evident in games where Di Maria also played in central midfield.

I like Herrera. Especially his eye for a through ball and willingness to get stuck in. I think he's being put on a bit of a pedestal in his absence though.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Fellaini is able to disrupt more than just winning long balls. Fabregas wasn't largely ineffective against us because Fellaini was stopping him getting on the end of long balls.

Can't we play both of them for different jobs? I don't like saying it but maybe the best thing would be for RVP to be injured, so Rooney goes back up top.

 

[Water Melon]

Fellaini is able to disrupt more than just winning long balls. Fabregas wasn't largely ineffective against us because Fellaini was stopping him getting on the end of long balls.

Do you think that Fellaini could do a decent job against a fast technical team? Who in Bayern or Real teams can he mark out of the game in such a way that the whole opposition team suffers? I can see him chasing the ball all day long, being one pass behind the play.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Do you think that Fellaini could do a decent job against a fast technical team? Who in Bayern or Real teams can he mark out of the game in such a way that the whole opposition team suffers? I can see him chasing the ball all day long, being one pass behind the play.

The deep lying playmaker just like he did against Chelsea with Fabregas. You probably envisaged him chasing the ball all day long against Chelsea too but its not how it turned out is it?

 

[Water Melon]

The deep lying playmaker just like he did against Chelsea with Fabregas. You probably envisaged him chasing the ball all day long against Chelsea too but its not how it turned out is it?

Chelsea are not a fast technical team imo. Who in Real is the deep lying playmaker? Can you see him marking Modric out of the game? Can you see him marking Schweinsteiger out of the game? Herrera for me all day long, the guy reads the game well, is a faster and much better technically player, can defend as well. I'd rather have him against Modric than Fellaini. To each their own, I guess.

 

[ravelston]

Chelsea are not a fast technical team imo. Who in Real is the deep lying playmaker? Can you see him marking Modric out of the game? Can you see him marking Schweinsteiger out of the game? Herrera for me all day long, the guy reads the game well, is a faster and much better technically player, can defend as well. I'd rather have him against Modric than Fellaini. To each their own, I guess.

I'm amazed that you wouldn't think of Chelsea as a fast, technical team - with Fabregas, Hazard, Oscar and Willian (not to mention Matic, the defensive 4 and Costa) they are clearly both fast and technical. And, for Real, wouldn't you be looking at Kroos rather than Modric.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Chelsea are not a fast technical team imo. Who in Real is the deep lying playmaker? Can you see him marking Modric out of the game? Can you see him marking Schweinsteiger out of the game? Herrera for me all day long, the guy reads the game well, is a faster and much better technically player, can defend as well. I'd rather have him against Modric than Fellaini. To each their own, I guess.

Kroos and Xabi Alonso I was more thinking of, and I can see him doing a man marking job on either.

I never said who I prefer anyway, I was calling out your insinuation that Fellaini is only useful if the other team plays long balls which he has proven to be wrong against both Chelsea and City.

 

[Water Melon]

I'm amazed that you wouldn't think of Chelsea as a fast, technical team - with Fabregas, Hazard, Oscar and Willian (not to mention Matic, the defensive 4 and Costa) they are clearly both fast and technical. And, for Real, wouldn't you be looking at Kroos rather than Modric.

I dont think Chelsea played very fast against us. I'd say that Real and Bayern would play much faster and keep the ball much better than Chelsea. Agreed about Kroos, you are spot on there. Due to the style of their play, I can see Modric taking over Kroos' duties, while Fellaini would be just trying to chase the ball. I'd rather play a midfield trio of Blind+Di Maria+ Herrera rather than Blind+Di Maria+Fellaini against any top European team.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I dont think Chelsea played very fast against us. I'd say that Real and Bayern would play much faster and keep the ball much better than Chelsea. Agreed about Kroos, you are spot on there. Due to the style of their play, I can see Modric taking over Kroos' duties, while Fellaini would be just trying to chase the ball. I'd rather play a midfield trio of Blind+Di Maria+ Herrera rather than Blind+Di Maria+Fellaini against any top European team.

I think he picked Fellaini against Chelsea and City because of the size of their midfielders. He played well so kept him in, but there will be games where that won't be needed and we will need more mobility. The injuries in defence are making it likely he is needed to protect the defence. More recruits in defence and we can change the midfield depending on the opposition. I agree that he has earned his place, but surely if LvG is saying that is the case, then it has to apply to all areas of the pitch and he can't have blindspots in other areas. Herrera will have to be patient and there have been no signs whatsoever that he isn't being, Fellaini might have to show the same patience at other times.

 

[ravelston]

I dont think Chelsea played very fast against us. I'd say that Real and Bayern would play much faster and keep the ball much better than Chelsea. Agreed about Kroos, you are spot on there. Due to the style of their play, I can see Modric taking over Kroos' duties, while Fellaini would be just trying to chase the ball. I'd rather play a midfield trio of Blind+Di Maria+ Herrera rather than Blind+Di Maria+Fellaini against any top European team.

You're right - but you can argue that that was because their sparkplug is Fabregas and Fellaini played him out of the game (at least in the first half).

 

[Brwned]

"Tidiness" to me implies good ball retention and really accurate passing. Which isn't really something I'd associate with Herrera so far.

Agree about energy and impetus but they're essentially the same thing and you're being very generous to attribute that to Hererra when it's been most evident in games where Di Maria also played in central midfield.

I like Herrera. Especially his eye for a through ball and willingness to get stuck in. I think he's being put on a bit of a pedestal in his absence though.

I'm surprised to hear that because I'd definitely say his ball retention's been one of his strengths so far. There's been a few times where he's been tackled a little too easily but he's moved the ball around very well. Fair point re: energy and impetus but the reason I used both words is because he offers a tremendous amount of energy when out of possession - more than anyone else in the squad, IMO - and he adds impetus through his use of the ball. He moves it around very quickly and is a very positive passer. You might well be right that he's been put on a pedestal in his absence, particularly given who he's been replaced by, but I've been impressed with him in every game he's played for us and saw nothing to suggest he should be benched.

 

[mazhar13]

I've already mentioned this in the Herrera thread, but I don't see how Fellaini's displaced Herrera given that Fellaini's playing a different role to Herrera (I believe the West Brom substitution has led many to believe this is the case). Fellaini's been okay in the box-to-box midfield role where he's not positionally restricted in any way. His aggression off the ball has been useful in unsettling the opposition (one of his biggest strengths), and his ball retention and physical presence has made it useful for us to maintain possession. However, his lack of vision, creativity, and ability to dictate play is why we played Mata and Rooney beside him (though it should have been Herrera instead of either of them in midfield). However, both struggle playing deeper, and both are much better in the final third. It is for this reason that we badly need Herrera on the pitch (whether in place of Fellaini or alongside him).

One thing I've noticed is that Fellaini's always at his best in midfield alongside a midfield dictator like Arteta or if he goes out wide to create 3 vs. 2's and have the wingers or full backs cut in. Recently, for us, Felllaini's provided support for the wingers only against Chelsea. Otherwise, he was poor in doing this and often left our wingers isolated.

To bring the best out of Fellaini, either we play Herrera alongside him, or van Gaal tells him to support the wingers more and create 3 vs. 2's at the channels.

 

[Insanity]

You say the summer shopping was done with a formation in mind and yet we have tried 3-5-2, the diamond and now this 4-1-4-1 so which formation was in mind when the shopping was done? Where did I mention the word philosphy in my post? We have improved our posession play and are now keeping the ball more than ever. Fellaini has only featured in a handful of games this season and we have play worse football when he has not been in the team, especially at the beginning of the season. Who are you blaming then exactly? You are single handedly blaming Fellaini for our whole attacking play which is just plainly absurd when other attacking players have performed far worser in some games. I have already said Fellaini is not a defensive midfielder. He players better in a 3 rather than a 2 in my opinion.

You referred to Nolan and were not clear in your post. You put this box to box classification like its a game. He is not your standard high energy midfielder, we can all accept that. He has proved useful when attacking and has provided a useful physical presence in midfield and in the games he has played, we have a good possession record so what tumescent player you are referring to, I don't know. He is also very good technically which alot of people seem to forget. I thought the whole team against City lacked something they showed at Chelsea.

I have simply pointed out LVG is a sucessful coach. I don't have any blinkers on like the anti Felliani ones which you have on. LVG needs to find a formation which fits, personally I would like to see the diamond which with the right players can be our best approach. I think we need points on the board and quick because for all the philosphy talk and improving, it means nothing without points.

I am pretty sure that it was done keeping 352 in mind, of course I can't be 100%.

• The purchase of another top striker instead of a winger to me suggests that it was done with the intention of playing 2 strikers.
  
• LvG on multiple occassions mentioned that Di Maria was bought to play in the midfield.
  
• We also sent two of wingers on loan, and Valencia is primarily used a RWB or RB.
  
• Rojo's purchase, and Blakcett's promotion at the time, also suggests that he had every intention of playing with 3 CB's.

There was a stat posted here on comparions between Moyes' and Van Gaal's first 10 games incharge, and it showed that there wasn't much in the possession numbers between the two seasons. In fact, last season was slightly better. We had insane possession in the Palace game as their plan was to sit back and only use long ball to their isolated striker/winger. It was quite similar to the Fulham crossing game, in which we had 75% possession. Also, possession doesn't mean anything if it is not meaningful. We weren't able to penetrate Palace's defense and most, if not all, of our shots were from outside the box, including the goal.

I don't care enough about players to fall into the category of anti-Fellaini or anti-anyone, I only care about United as rest everything is transient. The frustration is not with the player, but with his use in the team. Fellaini is who he is, he has his limitations and you can only play a certain style of football with him present in the middle; that is what I am anti.

You are correct, we do need points at the moment, and the style of play can be secondary for the time being. The problem is that we have scored only 5 in the last 4 games. So, at the moment, it's a bit of nothing. The manager hasn't been able to improve the style, nor has been able to fetch the points.

 

[Eugenius]

Last season being an excellent benchmark...

+injured for a lot of the season
+no preseason

blah blah, i could go on, but in this thread some people are beyond reasoning with.

Fair enough, those are mitigating circumstances, but he was beyond awful throughout the season and looked like a championship player in most of the big games.

I can recall many occasions in the past few years where we have not been able to cope physically or technically in midfield against the best teams in England and Europe.

Really? In big games, I can only think of Barca consistently dominating us in CM, and that's a team full of midgets. Liverpool away, tend to come out like a pack of wolves and we tend to struggle against that. Either way, technically wise, Fellaini isn't the man to win any midfield battle, it's one of his weaker attributes. Even physically, can you name any top midfielder whose main attributes are physical?

Well, exactly. Which would be typical of the goldfish memories that infest this place. Anything that isn't happening right in front or our eyes, right now, might as well never have happened.

Ironically, that's benefitting Fellaini at the moment, he's had a couple of good performances recently, but not enough to convince me he should be starting ahead of our 3 other CMs regularly.

Why Carrick was just as bad for the entire season, is 33, and people are not writing him off ala Van Persie...all more dog crap!

The whole team was crap. Carrick has anchored our midfield for the last 8 years, which happens to be the most successful time in our club's history both domestically and in Europe. He was our players' player of the season just the year before, holding together a midfield without any half decent partners, and we won the league comfortably. That gives a lot more confidence that last season was a blip, whereas Fellaini had no such pedigree to draw upon. He'd performed well in CM for a midtable club, before being proven better used as a second striker in 12/13.

People, well people with half a brain, aren't writing Carrick off, because 33 isn't that old anymore (see Scholes, Pirlo peaking in their mid-30s in a deep lying role, Xabi alonso doing well at a similar age, Gerrard and Lampard playing into their mid-30s, even Giggs having stormers in CM late into his 30s) and because Carrick doesn't rely on physical ability and has been free of muscle injuries during his career.

 

[Walrus]

Fair enough, those are mitigating circumstances, but he was beyond awful throughout the season and looked like a championship player in most of the big games.

As you yourself say later in your post - the entire team was crap. I can think of De Gea and Januzaj who did well, pretty much the rest of the team looked "championship level" a lot of the time. Hardly a good environment for a new player to come in and settle in the team.

This idea that Fellaini is technically bereft and that playing him necessitates us becoming Stoke is ridiculous though. Stats have shown that with Fellaini on the pitch we haven't been playing any more long balls than without him.

 

[Eugenius]

As you yourself say later in your post - the entire team was crap. I can think of De Gea and Januzaj who did well, pretty much the rest of the team looked "championship level" a lot of the time. Hardly a good environment for a new player to come in and settle in the team.

This idea that Fellaini is technically bereft and that playing him necessitates us becoming Stoke is ridiculous though. Stats have shown that with Fellaini on the pitch we haven't been playing any more long balls than without him.

I agree it wasn't the best of times for him to come in, but he was truly awful last season at times. His performance against Bayern was horrendous, for example.

I think Fellaini is ok technically. But he wants too much time on the ball, and loses the ball when he's in tight spaces (except when it comes to his chest, where he's actually very good). On top of that, he's not very ambitious with his passing, preferring safe options, and I've seen no evidence that he can play killer passes consistently. This means that in games like Palace last week, he's precisely the type of player we could do without. I don't think opposition midfielders are worried if they sit deep and allow Fellaini time on the ball.

 

[mazhar13]

I think Fellaini is ok technically. But he wants too much time on the ball, and loses the ball when he's in tight spaces (except when it comes to his chest, where he's actually very good). On top of that, he's not very ambitious with his passing, preferring safe options, and I've seen no evidence that he can play killer passes consistently. This means that in games like Palace last week, he's precisely the type of player we could do without. I don't think opposition midfielders are worried if they sit deep and allow Fellaini time on the ball.

This is exactlyy point as well, and I believe that, against smaller teams, we are better off opting for more creativity and attacking impetus. Besides, it's not like Herrera's that soft on the ball.

However, I do see Fellaini being useful with his aggression and presence against the bigger teams, making it difficult for the opposition to deal with him, and for providing us another attacking option in the final third. However, for us to not be toothless on the attack, we need Herrera or someone like him to partner Fellaini, who is at his best in midfield alongside/behind a playmaker.

 

[Samid]

 

[Hed Zitin]

Looks like a coming together, with him ramming him.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

There was no need for that.

 

[.Rossi]

There was no need for that.

Exactly! And it's not exactly a one off with him.

 

[SonnyTheHaloPro]

What the....

I have no idea why he feels the need to keep doing that.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

Man.......fellaini and is elbows

 

[Boycott]

He's big,
He's hairy
His elbows are fecking scary
FELLAINI FELLAINI

 

[Blue always red]

I love it, football is a mans game and smacking another in the face with your elbow is just you asserting your dominance over a weaker specimen...
is joke

 

[Zoo]

More forearm then elbow.

 

[Hed Zitin]

Looks like this guy is our holding CM .

 

[Kostur]

Looks like this guy is our holding CM .

Carrick.