I'm not quite ready to throw him to the scrap heap yet. I'd like to see what Van Gaal could do with him.
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The crap which you have spouted was about Carrick. That is the only player you came up with. And it is you who should recap his memory or see the 2006-07 season again where Carrick was crucial to us. But hey, let's complete twist facts to make sure we all believe Fellaini was as good (bad?) as Carrick in his first season.
My question to you was simple. Which player who has already played in the PL for more than a couple of years has come to us and been as useless as Fellaini has been followed by such rapid improvement that he could actually play for us. Even the likes of Young/Valencia came and improved here, unlike Fellaini who has been abysmal in most of his outings.
You keep on harping about how he can improve. There is nothing to back that opinion that he can cut it at this level as a midfielder. He was an average one at Everton as well and we don't need that type playing for us. So unless you mean we should persist with a log pulling us back in midfield under the garb of giving him chances, it is you who has posted nonsense.
Shhhhh. Don't post sense please. Carrick was as awful as Fellaini in his first season with us.
How about you read what I say? Look at Young and Valencia now. They're not doing so great, are they? But your theory is they've played for so long in the PL the should be, no?
Wow, you're such a child.
I asked you a question and you replied with Carrick. I think it is you who should read more carefully. Young and Valencia were not this poor when they joined us. They both did pretty well. Valencia was one of the best wingers in Europe at one time with us and had and excellent first season as well. You came up with Carrick as an example of a player who was poor with us in the first season, which is quite frankly bs unless you have set a very very high standard. Obviously players can improve and I am not questioning that. Simply saying comparing Carrick's first season for us with the horror show which Fellaini served up last season was laughable at best.
I wasn't answering your question.
Oh, how silly of me to think you are answering my question when you quoted my post and actually "answered" the question I had raised in that post.
Maybe he could still do a job. Having said that, if given the chance, bog him off to Stoke/West Ham/Hull/Sunderland/Palace if we receive an offer of anything upwards of £10m.
Odd thing to say. His fitness is one of his main assets. Last season there were many games where he had covered the most distance out of the whole team. Agree there were some poor defensive efforts last season but if he can switch on then I think he'll be a good defensive option. Herrera failed to track a few runners yesterday but we weren't punished. I have faith that Fellaini can improve.
Your faith is commendable. For me, he is simply not very good. The only position he could play is the Blind role, and I'd rather have Fletcher as back-up.
He does amble around a lot but when it comes to playing the box to box role, he does not seem to have the speed or stamina or for that matter the required drive to do it effectively. So many times one could see him ambling back from an attacking position while the opponents are on the counter. Then again he covered the whole length of the pitch at his own sweet pace which would obviously improve the distance covered stat, but was it useful to us in his box to box role? I think not.
Regarding Herrera, he was like a terrier. Snapping at heels. Going into challenges and helping us win the ball back. There was one instance I do remember he didn't track a midfield runner which led to their opening in open play but apart from that he was pretty much awesome in that role. Not to forget he had made more successful tackles (8) than anyone else on the pitch. That does say a lot about his ability in winning the ball back vis-a-vis Fellaini.
I'd accept that his pace is a potential issue in a box-to-box role, not his stamina though. Fellaini had games last season when he lead us for interceptions, tackles, and clearances. I think his ability to win the ball back matches if not exceeds Herrera's. But that's just my view, I know a lot disagree.
Watching yesterday, I just don't have a clue where people think he might fit into this team.
I think at this point the only debate is whether he's a suitable back-up for Herrera at # 8 as Carrick will back up Blind and we have more than enough coverage at #10.
I don't see it, but others disagree.
Chalk and cheese though. Herrera covered every blade yesterday and was in the thick of the short passing and moving as well as providing width and doubling up on the right to help Rafael add some width.
It's a strange one, think you need to be a lot more mobile than Fellaini is to do Herrera's role yesterday which is why I suspect Pereira would be the better bet if Ander was out.
No argument from me. I assume Fellani would have been shipped out but for his injury.
Standards are much lower at Everton, our fans didnt watch him every week and his best season was not in midfield. It was playing off the striker
I think his only realistic role in the diamond would be the base role. He isn't clever enough or mobile enough to play either of the wide slots.
If he could work on positioning and reading of the game he could be decent there, but right now Blind and Carrick are ahead. If he want's to stay he need's to be mighty impressive when he gets the chance.
If he could work on positioning and reading of the game he could be decent there, but right now Blind and Carrick are ahead. If he want's to stay he need's to be mighty impressive when he gets the chance.
Actually his perfect role would be at the tip of the diamond, allowing him to get into the box for every cross. However that puts the creative burden on everyone else and relies on quality delivery from the wing. Which, could work because Di Maria, Ander and Blind are creative enough to do that job. But it simply means Mata doesnt play
We can only hope that Moyes gets a new job at a club with a competitive budget and buys him for atleast 15m.
His style just doesn't suit LvG and I really doubt he can improve that much.
His style just doesn't suit LvG and I really doubt he can improve that much.
I think we might struggle to offload him. I mean, who in their right mind would buy him? He's crap, overpriced and presumably on high wages.
Somewhere - most likely in a Chicken Cottage - Sam Allardyce's ears prick up.
Easily the most satisfying part of yesterday was actually forgetting Fellani plays for us.
Yeah, not sure why didn't loan or move him. Probably because we didn't have time to do so with Blind only having been signed at the end of the window. I can definitely see him moving in the winter window, especially if we get Strootman.
That's completely illogical, in fact it's paradoxical.
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Carrick had a really good first season alongside Scholes. There's no comparison.
Works for me, and I'd love to see it in action as I firmly believe it could work!
Really? You'd like to see Fellaini over Mata in that formation so we can play it in the air to him?
I genuinely have no idea what to say about that.
You don't have to, as I believe it would not happen. Just saying I would like to see it, and that my opinion is that it could work.
I don't think he fits into any position in the diamond. He can work in a 433 or even 4231 where he doesn't have to also cover the wings. Herrera and Di Maria are fine as they have bundles of energy. In all honesty, I think those are the only two that will be able to play as the 2 CMs in the diamond.
With his position, I think he plays best as the tip of the head in a 433, or a 4231 as the player behind the striker. It was best shown when Belgium played it at the WC, although the personnel wasn't great and didn't work. They forced their best player - de Bruyne - into a deeper position, almost as a #6 which didn't work. He also played with Witsel, both of these aren't the quickest, added with Fellaini made for bad viewing. I do think though, that is his best position, and he really will not recieve that here. I don't think he can replace Herrera as a RCM in the diamond, or is good enough as a CM in the 352, or cover for Mata as Januzaj is far better.
pretty sure he is going to be back-up to our centre-back's back-up from now on.
Do not want him anywhere near our bench. He will ruin our beautiful diamond.
Blind, Carrick, Fletcher and Fellaini - in that order for that CDM role in the diamond formation.
I can't see any other role for him at Utd other than sticking him up front as a battering ram for the last 20 minutes if we've tried everything else and it hasn't worked. He should only be used as a total desperation emergency move.
£28m for that.
£28m for that.
Blind if he continues in this form, do not think he has competition in his role. Carrick is out for a while, fletcher is past his best, fellaini is just so bad you cannot even put into words how terrible this buy has been, and anderson does not even deserve to be even mentioned. So in all blind is a guaranteed starter, in all I do hope the club moves on all of fellaini fletcher anderson carrick in the summer, and hopefully young joins the loaned players permanently of nani zaha cleverley and hernandez. That is wages off the books, and we can continue to rebuild
Yeah, having read the last few pages, I was thinking the same thing. As it currently stands, he'd be a poor backup to Blind at the base of the diamond, while Carrick would probably slot in there to spell him. If we had 2 man midfield, it would probably be those 2 or Herrera, depending on how defensive we want to be. Maybe he could be used as a defensive substitute for any of the other 3.
We have too many #10's as it is, so he wouldn't be at the tip of the diamond, unless he was being used as a target man, like he was at Everton, but that's a tactic we would use late. So seemingly, a midfield start seems to be out of the question.
I wonder if he could've been used as one of the 3 at back. He'd be a better passer than the other CB's, one would think. But with Blind (& eventually Carrick), the 3 at back becomes rather moot, it seems. At least we wouldn't have to see Carrick be used as a stop-gap CB when Fellaini is healthy. He'd offer more than enough physicality & height to be more effective than Carrick.
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