Jesus, guys, do you know what 'fact' actually means?
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It's not what I think. The guy is a professional footballer getting payed to play football. He's done it nearly his whole adult life. That is a fact. Whether or not you think he's good enough isn't fact but a possibility whether you like it or not. If he's not given the chance to prove that he's good enough then it fits with your negative bitter rhetoric of 'NOT GOOD ENOUGH GET RID'. Which not everyone is advocating. As you can see there are some people who are happy to be patient and see what happens. It means absolutely nothing that some random fans around the globe actually might think he can improve on his time to date at United given the chance. Shocker. His wages mean absolutely nothing as well, if the club didn't think that over the life of the contract they would be able to afford it then they wouldn't have paid it. If they are in a bind financially and can't afford to keep him then I am sure he would have been offloaded by now.
Football management and squad harmony isn't as cut and dry as 'get rid of this, move this guy along that' as it is plainly obvious with some of the players you mention. You need to just calm down and realize that whether or not you think players are good enough isn't the be all and end all. Just because you say it, it doesn't make it so.
People like me?... People who don't throw toys out of the pram when the big money signing isn't delivered by the manager and fill pages and pages of a forum ranting and carrying on about how terrible our players are? Get a grip you wally, support the players and the team and you might just get a bit of a enjoyment out of supporting United. You're incredibly bitter.
What did I just read ? 
Em, I certainly think those are the calibre of players we should aim for, yes. You think we should settle for less? I think we should be after the level s Of players who will help us win titles and progress in europe. Where does it end if we start to settle now? So now, we go a few levels lower than those guys (which fellaini definitely is). That generation Lasts a few years. Then we start biting guys level lower than fellaini. People like you justify it "Does every player have to be as good as fellaini?" and on goes the circle as we slip further into mediocrity
I agree that none of those are particularly useful but I think fletch is at least on a par with him and I think cleverley, who I don't rate highly is better. But to be honest, we should not be arguing about the merits of such average players, not if we ever want to get back to winning titles.
Apparently we've dodged a real bullet, let's take advantage of our luck (for once) and ship him out.
I can't help but notice how three successive posters from Australia have spent so much time defending a player who looks so much like a fish out of water at United..Maybe his roughhouse style goes down well among fans of NRL and AFL.
Nah man, people like you who accept rubbish and chastise the rest of us who don't kinda grind my gears. Manucho, Bellion, Djemba-Djemba, Liam Miller, Obertan, Kleberson, Ralph Milne, Darren Ferguson, Jordi Cruyff, Porborsky, Forlan, Diouf..whats the difference with these players and Fellaini except the fact we paid a shitload for him? Some of them were signed with bigger reputations than Fellaini but they just couldn't cut it at United and it was painfully evident regardless of how talented some of them were. It matters how much a player is paid, good players get paid well to do a job and to do it well, Fellaini's performances don't reflect his salary. Get a grip you say? Why don't you get one instead and realize this guy is a serious misfit at United? I bet you'd have given Moyes another season as well. Fellaini is shit, he's on his way out.
Hahahah wow check you out all mad. Your nuts pal. Totally bonkers.
Regardless of there location, it's great to see some people defending him.
Not mad at all...and everything I stated in the post is the reality of the situation. You must be another Fellaini sympathizer.
Regardless of there location, it's grae
Good reply though, you expressed you point well. I like Fellaini, so that in my head rules him out from leaving.
Good reply though, you expressed you point well. I like Fellaini, so that in my head rules him out from leaving.
I guess you'll just have to deal with it when he does leave.
As regards location, I was just pointing out the remarkable coincidence. I lived in Sydney for a couple of years and don't recall a huge community of Belgians or indeed Moroccans.
No, I think it was just that those aussies probs were more patient with Fellaini ?
After 6 years of playing in the premier league and never looking like a United player (despite the odd time he bullied our makeshift defence)? And after looking second-rate in the World Cup? Maybe...
'Fellaini sympathizer'
Deary me, is this the new Moyes Apologist? I don't understand why posters have to come up with these ridiculous labels. Can't someone just disagree with you without falling into a group?
Im a Fellaini-afto-admirer-who-is-not-sure-he's-good-enough-but-thinks-he-might-be-an-okay-option-from-the-bench-er.
Hmm not quite as catchy!!
Yet you don't mention the poster I was responding to lumping me in the group of 'negative' and 'bitter' people who want to be right and see Fellaini fail. Rich
Yep, that's it...you caught us out
I wasn't referring to you (didn't even know you were from Australia). I am fine with people defending Fellaini, I just find it strange how certain people (two now banned) have devoted around 80% plus of their posts to this one topic. I mean, whether he stays or goes, it's not that critical to the future of the club, and, in terms of his status in the pantheon, it's not as though people are criticising Bobby Charlton or Eric Cantona.
Yeah...i wonder why people are not able to calm down over this. I made up.my mind about ages ago. I post about him once in a while.
It's not even a case of defending Fellaini though. Saying 'look we're light in midfield and he can bounce back and give at least something, surely the start he's had can be made better if we give him time' isn't defending him. There is only one group trying desperately to convince people that their reasoning behind why they think he's shite is gospel. Whatever people think positive or negative the guy is a United player for now and there is no point getting all upset about it. It literally makes no difference to anything to go losing your rag about your own players.
That is personally what I find very strange. Personal crusades against certain players as if everyone feels the same way and thus must be in on the little 'lets all hate on Fellaini' bandwagon.
That and nearly every proper conversation broken up by 'hi my names UnitedfanBusby101 and I think Fellaini is shite and will never be good enough is he sold yet? thanks for reading please by vidal'.
Fingers crossed we can get close to half our money back for him.
I wouldn't really mind if we kept Fellaini in the squad. We've had a number of players like him in the past, ie honest hardworking lads who weren't particularly good in football. One can make a list of these players (at United we always had a surplus of them) from OShea to Philip Neville right to Nicky Butt and the new MUTV Legend Quinton Fortune. The trouble is that Fellaini happens to be paid as a first teamer and that's a hell of a lot of money.
Some may close an eye to that but honestly we shouldn't. First team players are highly paid employees and a club can afford a very limited number of them. If they aren't good enough then they are probably blocking the way for other players to come at the club. Also they may have some nasty clauses in their contract which makes them earn more money if they aren't played. Some will probably laugh at this but it may really be the case that our inability to offload the long ball merchant may be the reason why we're not able to land a quality DM. As Lou Macari said (and this happens in many other clubs who dont have infinite funds such as Shitty) we've well overstaffed in CM and we probably have to get rid of players before we can add to more.
Not to forget the psychological effect of keeping sub standard players have on the people around him. What message does it give to other players the fact that United are keeping, on top dollar, a player whose clearly not good enough?
Some may close an eye to that but honestly we shouldn't. First team players are highly paid employees and a club can afford a very limited number of them. If they aren't good enough then they are probably blocking the way for other players to come at the club. Also they may have some nasty clauses in their contract which makes them earn more money if they aren't played. Some will probably laugh at this but it may really be the case that our inability to offload the long ball merchant may be the reason why we're not able to land a quality DM. As Lou Macari said (and this happens in many other clubs who dont have infinite funds such as Shitty) we've well overstaffed in CM and we probably have to get rid of players before we can add to more.
Not to forget the psychological effect of keeping sub standard players have on the people around him. What message does it give to other players the fact that United are keeping, on top dollar, a player whose clearly not good enough?
Nicky Butt was a much better player than Felliani, I would swap Felliani for Nicky in a heartbeat, he's just what we need.
We don't need him in an attacking or creative role so it's all down to his defensive abilities and aside from adding height in the box at set pieces he isn't up to scratch. He never picks up runners and ends up in useless positions. Playing three at the back means whoever is going to be our defensive midfielder will need to be top class.
We don't need him in an attacking or creative role so it's all down to his defensive abilities and aside from adding height in the box at set pieces he isn't up to scratch. He never picks up runners and ends up in useless positions. Playing three at the back means whoever is going to be our defensive midfielder will need to be top class.
Why are we signing more players for the first team a la Shaw, Herrera, Mata etc if Fellaini's fan murdering wages are to high? These arguments literally make no sense. People arguing over hypothetical situations that don't effect them in the slightest.
I am literally laughing. It makes no sense at all we've spent shit loads of money since we signed him - get used to it. This signing has not broken the books at United. Continuing to argue about his wage and squad status is reaching of epic proportions.
'Top dollar'......?
He's a liability in midfield. Hope he goes
People hate on him way too much
You're really disrespecting those legends by comparing them to Fellaini. You really are.
Nicky Butt, Phil Neville and Fortune were all better than Fellaini
I have been around here long enough not to involve myself in discussions about the so called legends. Players who should thank their lucky stars that they found themselves at OT as they would win jack shit elsewhere. The internet is one beautiful invention and everyone can check for himself what these great players did when they couldn't rely on the quality players United had during their era. Nicky Butt went to Newcastle were he was pushed down the pecking order by magificent talent of Parker, Faye and Emre, Quinton 'the legend' Fortune was picked up from the mighty Atletico Madrid B side and then he ended up his career at Bolton. Philip Neville on the other hand did fairly well at Everton (I still think it was a shame that we allowed him to go). However none of them had a career that was even close to that of Fellaini at Everton.
The difference between Fellaini and the former players are two
a) the former were reserves and they were paid as so. Fellaini was brought to be a first teamer, he's paid like one (salary is nowadays the biggest expenditure and not the fee)
b) Fellaini lacks the skill set needed to be useful at United. For example Philip Neville would run and tackle all day. He was a great marker and he could cover a number of positions. Fellaini is a long ball merchant whose not particularly good unless you play him as no 10 and have him showered with crosses. That's not what United way
Honestly, how many ex United players, non youth, went on to have better careers at other teams? Forlan? Fellaini will NEVER contribute to United what those legends did. Never. The guy is going to be sold to shite serie A
Great players remained great even when they left United. The likes of Beckham, RVN and Ronaldo had a great career away from United. I guess is one got talent then he's able to show it even when there's no Roy Keane covering your arse and Paul Scholes create wonders out of nowhere.
However that's not the point. No one is saying that players should have a better career when leaving United. What I am saying is that its very easy to look good when you're playing in a star studded side lead by a genius. It happened to many players even in other clubs (ex Rossi at AC Milan who still retain the Serie A record for clean sheets).
True worth is shown when the player is expected to be a protagonist to the side rather then piggy bank on the talent of others. There again, as said, I've learnt long ago not to put in doubt the 'legends' talent.
We miss him.
You don't get the point. RVN, Becks and Ronaldo maintained the stat Quo. Great at United and great at other sides. You make it sound like Fortune, O'Shea, Neville and Butt just got in where they fitted, just blended in and hid behind great players. If they were so bad they would never had got as many games as they did at United. Each of those players had several MOTM performances for United even when it mattered. You don't have to consider them legends, that's another debate, but they were great servants to the club. You're seriously downplaying them. Piggy bank on the talents of others, my word!
That's exactly what they did. SAF was a master of these things. He would get 3-5 World class players and then fill the rest of the teams with normal ones whose characteristics allowed the others to focus on their job and do the damage. Take for example Ronaldo. The boy was an absolute genius however he wasn't keen to backtrack. To counter for that SAF brought Tevez and Park whom, alongside Rooney, Fletcher and Carrick provided the necessary steel for Ronaldo and an ageing Scholes/Giggs to focus on their job.
Quinton Fortune, Phil Neville, Butt and OShea weren't United quality. That was clearly before and/or after leaving United. However they were cheap (in terms of both fee and salary) and fitted in SAF's plan. When things got tough, SAF could bring these players in because he knew that they would close the gaps and keep the fort safe. If injury hit the club, rest assured that OShea or Philip Neville would give their 100% irrespective if they are played out of position. If the team was fully fit, rest assured that they will sit on the bench without complaining. However dont think for one second that these players could have won anything without the WC players. In fact when the time came for them to become protagonists at another club many failed to match the hype surrounding them. Also note that when they start losing their work rate they were shown the door. Scholes and Giggs remained at OT until they became ancient. The likes of Park, Phil Nev, OShea, Fortune etc werent given that luxury because once the work rate starting to decline they had little else to offer.
Fellaini can't take that role. The man doesn't have the versatility those players have and he's paid on top salary. His best position is that of no 10 (and in that role he had done pretty well at Everton) but that means leaving Mata/Kagawa/Januzaj out and play a football style that is unsuited for their game.
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For crying out loud, we get it - you don't think he's good enough. Stop hooting it out at the top of your lungs trying to make the point every time it's brought up.
Not sure if this was sarcastic but he's certainly better than Cleverley and Fletcher.
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This is a clear example of the way United fans overreact after a poor performance. No one in their right mind will say that he is a better footballer than Fletcher, he just isn't and really as much as football is about opinions, it's not really up for a debate. I know we are disappointed with Fletcher's performance but we don't need people saying bloody Fellaini is a better footballer.
I'm sorry but I can't believe people would still take Fletcher or Cleverley over Fellaini. No way would a fit Fellaini ever play that badly, especially against a low opposition (who he has actually performed well against). At this point in his career, he is a better player than Fletcher. I know people will disagree, and that's fine, but after that horrendous midfield showing my mind won't be changed.
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