We now have 3 months to scout for a striker better than Arnautovic. I'm sure it's possible.
Marko Arnautović | United have pulled out
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Looks like Ten Hag was right on this really doesn't it...
Would have added plenty to our team for a season.
Would have added plenty to our team for a season.
It’s not hard to be better than this season’s version of Ronalod
I think it was clear to see when we were linked that he was hitting some late consistency.
Last seasons numbers and the goals he scored showed that. Add to the fact he was always talented and strong…
Yeah and hadn't put his foot in it at last years euros,maybe then our board would have been much more open to signing him.
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Yes he would have given us someone who could hold up the ball but as I just said he blew it for himself by his recent misdemeanours
Yes. This fan base needs to adjust to the idea that EtH knows what he is doing. And by extension Manchester United now have a clue on personnel.
If we used his name as a mockery for players e.g. Rashbonlahor. Then I dont see why we should listen to him at all.
Some quality racism and misogyny, yeah
I think that was the issue and why people didn’t want him. If it was purely based on football though he would have been a good option for us and it’s obvious why the manager and coaches fancied him. I think he’d have been far better in that 9 role than Ronaldo.
Oh God, so we're in the stage, United became so desperate, even Arnautović would suffice... standards still hitting the floor, I see.
Exactly. We could argue all day wether it makes sense to sign an old and average Arnautovic, but his behaviour made this a nonstarter
Top scorer in Serie A this season, scored at a similar rate to the likes of Osimhen and Abraham last season.
For his footballing ability, he would've been a good option this season.
Yeah. We have hamstrung ourselves a bit by not getting another 9 option in and it’s making our forward play look a bit clunky. Somethings are bigger than that though. Surprised there was no one else we could get in of that profile.
Yeah I think you’re wide of the mark here.
He's alway been a lose cannon throughout his career so we were right not to sign him, he is however the right profile of striker for a ten Haag side in that he is a tall, skillful target man who can bring others in to play and specialises in link up play more than goals (normally).
So the profile is right in terms of player but personality wise he is completely wrong for united, Isak would have been perfect but we don't seem to have gone for him, we'll have to find a similar profile player in the next window.
So the profile is right in terms of player but personality wise he is completely wrong for united, Isak would have been perfect but we don't seem to have gone for him, we'll have to find a similar profile player in the next window.
I think we were looking at a cut price option as Ronaldo was staying hence not going for Isak or another.
For a short loan period, perhaps. This is exactly what Solskjaer would do - sign him and pretend there's no younger strikers on the market.
Yeah let's bring another striker we'll be looking to shift in few months. So much for pro active football.
It isn't enough we'll have to deal with Ronaldo for full year ?
I’m more taking issue with your slight on his quality. He would have been good enough to play the role Ten Hag wanted and offered more than Ronaldo currently is.
Could be, could be not... Without both Ronaldo & Arnautović we were able to shock Liverpool and Arsenal.
For the sake of compromise, perhaps loan deal could be worthy experiment, when in case of any stir in the dressing room we could send him away immediately.
Yes he’d of been brought in as an option. Martial and Rashford for games like you mentioned but having someone like him gives you a different way of playing in different kinds of games. Or even off the bench in moments.
Shame Ronaldo can’t seem to do it.
I just can't wait when we'll reach point past Ronaldo or any other fading star and discover totally new landscapes and dimensions for attacking formation.
Well we’ve reached that point now? Ten Hag has got to manage this season with Ronaldo. He also needs January and the summer windows to really stamp his hallmark on this squad.
Probability of finding high end striking force in January is difficult, though happened in the past to some clubs.
Ten Hag while being great football scientist will be forced to electrocute the corpse in order for zombie to run whole year like a proper footballer. Think we didn't reached that point just yet, but I'm sure Ronaldo will score about 15 goals this season.
We're almost there.
How are standards hitting the floor if he's one of the best or at least most in form strikers in Italy? If the standards being on the floor are that then I'm willing to sign up to more players of such low standards.
He'd have done great here for a year then we get someone longer term. I get the griping about his personality and behaviour and understand the eventual reasons it didn't happen but in footballing terms it was a no brainer and ETH knew it despite what some on here say.
So you see the issue with Arnautović and you probably see the issue with Ronaldo. Now let's do the math and add them both to the dressing room and see if the team would do so great, because from experience chances are Martial and Rashford would detach themselves from the team once again.
Quality wise, not a bad experiment, but there's so much more to this than just following Ole's happy way of dealing with glaring problem for years.
Even if we characterise whatever has gone on with Rashford and Martial over the years as a "detachment" which I'm convinced by, who is responsible for that and do we know the full reasons why their form and effort dropped? I think it's bit simplistic to say that throwing in Arnautovic is going to be a problem.
Also, is our major concern building a functional team for the manager or pandering to individuals players? Is it the managers job to create cohesive teams and create the right dressing room dynamics? I'd say it is and he fancied that it would be okay.
Obviously it would have made way more sense to clear out Ronaldo first. If we had done so and got Arnautovic it would have been a huge net positive, at least with hindsight.
I admit, making these type of signings is healthy from time to time. Fergie's idea of getting Larsson and Blanc did paid off in some parts of the season. Jose's love for Ibrahimović made us actually win some trophies, but this time it's got to stop. We're getting cluttered when on top of clutter, we'll have to clear out more clutter.
If it's not Benzema type of quality then just don't bother. Suddenly making of Arnautović a savior type player is ridiculous.
Yeah, I just feel that he's one we will regret and probably end up bidding twice what they paid in future. In any case arnautovic isn't the answer.
Rashford has done much much more than Isak in his career, and is simply a better player, so I’ve no idea why anyone thinks Isak would’ve been perfect. Neither fit the real mould of a ETH forward in fairness.
Nah thanks mate, I'd rather wait for Nkunku / Mbappe.
Lukaku looked great in Serie A too. We don't have any guarantees Arnautović would just walk into this team and score 6 goals in first PL matches, when good portion of United goals come from fast buildup and counter attack. I do agree Ten Hag's budget wasn't infinite like Arnold tried to brainwash supporters he met in pub. That's why when Rangnick was here, there were months to come up with transfer strategy, especially when whole winter window was plainly ignored.
Arnautović deal felt rushed, under pressure, reactive action to problem that was here for literal years. (Ighalo, Cavani and now Ronaldo) We need to start scouting hard to be one step ahead of our opponents, because that's exactly what are they doing. Planning and using every transfer window to find options, not necessarily at the ending stage of their career.
I'm not painting it as ideal. But it's clear in the summer we spent a massive amount of money on certain priority positions. A striker was either unaffordable or unattainable due to lack of quality, younger options. That was the whole point of Arnautovic, I believe. Another stop gap, which is frustrating as we all want to see a proper 9 of the right age come in, but that was never happening.
I don't think he was going to be a saviour. Just someone to hold the ball, allow Sancho and Anthony to get close, while still having the physicality to compete in the PL. With the combination of Rashford and Ronaldo we lack this, we only have an old poacher or a counter attacking player. Maybe Martial can give us something but he's very flakey isn't he. The manager was probably worried about that.
Yup. Ten Hag had good intentions about Arnautović, I have no doubts about it, but also he insisted Ronaldo is the part of this team and he's here to provide goals, making it sound like Ronaldo will be his main striker.
In the end he did the right thing. Sent huge ego on the bench and used younger options to get results vs Pool and Arsenal. In terms of depth Arnautović could be obstacle in using Rashford and Martial in some cases.
It looks like 50/50 chance of success deal, but my motivation to oppose it comes from educated guess - Ighalo, Cavani, Ronaldo. If United were in Champions League, we should definitely demand more... in fact we should always demand more to get back into biggest stage again.
Not trying to shoot down this option but Arnautović wasn't the only available classic striker during time when Frenkie saga overshadowed everything.
Yeah the profile was right but the personality not
Nkunku we could sign but no chance Mbappe or were you being sarcastic and I missed the point
Mbappe is a free agent in 2024. Let's say we comfortably get top four this season, and next season we win either the Premier League or the Champions League (or both), why should a top player not want to play for us? We are the most successful club in the most competitive league in the world, and are able to pay some of the best salaries in the world. We have one of the best managers in the world, the only thing currently lacking is that we are not competing for the top trophies. I fully expect that to change in the next two years, so watch this space.....
P.S. In the past two summers we have signed Varane, Casemiro, Ronaldo and Martinez, who have won a World Cup, two Copa Americas and a European Championship, as well as numerous Champions Leagues between them, I.e. all serial winners, as well as Sancho and Antony, two of the most exciting young talents in the game. I think you underestimate the pull of Manchester United.
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Are we still linked with him?
The Express linked us to Mbappe again last week. However, a bit like Madrid with Mbappe last year, or us with FDJ, not sure it is good to rely on one player coming, and be left without an alternative.
Apart from a couple of obvious gaps, our first team is starting to take shape. Now ETH needs to think carefully how he will build squad depth whilst keeping everyone happy. It is a matter of bringing in players with the right mentality, and having the right blend of youth and experience, etc. The issue with players like Mbappe is that they will want a guaranteed starting position, even if they are off form. Ferguson was able to rotate Cole, Yorke, Sheringham and Solskjaer the year we won the treble. Will Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Martial, Nkunku and Mbappe accept rotation???
We’ve won 4 games in a row domestically, calm down.