His wages are an issue. But we got 27m for greenwood when the entire world knew we had to sell as soon as possible. Rashford at his worst, with 10 goals and 5 assists per season has to be worth more than 25m in this day and age. If it’s clear he isn’t getting a sniff at United, surely he’s just going to have to suck it up and take a wage cut and move on? He isn’t going to want to just not play for 3 years.
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Ok so the simple solution is to simply send him out on loan so he plays. You are ignoring the fact that Rashford not playing is a temporary problem not permanent. Rashford isn't injured. That's exactly why we shouldn't sell him right now. Loan him, let him play, raise his value and then sell him in the summer when there are more clubs in the market. Don't panic sell.
We want to buy in the summer. I have seen no credible reports of us trying to do any major deals in the winter. The only deal we seem to be doing is £3-4 Million for Leon so no we don't need to sell Rashford in this window.
You seem to want to Rashford to be sold for a low amount so that it validates your hatred of him. If we sell him for nothing you get to say 'See, I told you he sucks'. It's very odd. Giving Rashford away doesn't help the club.
It's not a physical issue. Apparently his performances in training in general haven't been great but he keeps going out on the town on the Friday before games and lying about it.
As per Laurie Whitwell, the reason he was dropped was that Amorim heard he'd been out the Friday before the Everton game and had a word with him. Like the Belfast incident Rashford denied it. Then a few weeks later he turned up to training before the City game looking fatigued and put in a poor performance. Again the word was he'd been out the night before so Amorim dropped him out of the squad altogether. He's obviously not cleaned up his act in the meantime as he's not played a minute of football since.
This is easily fixed if he had a mind to concentrate on his football.
And any injury excuses made for him down the years will be put to bed as he would fail a medical
Apparently theres a few changes companies that work this out and they are utilized by the football world. One is swiss based, who's name I've forgotten. So clubs can have their own values but also compare their own values to book values from these companies. Same works for players you want to bring in, you can see if your overpaying or underpaying for him.
Book value is normally used to mean how much of the transfer fee is left on the books and you can then figure out if an offer for a player will leave you in profit.
Do you mean something else or have people been using the term incorrectly on here? As others have pointed out we never bought Rashford so any transfer fee at all will be counted as profit.
He has a value as does every other player in the squad. Regardless of no transfer fee as he's home grown. It is the value of the player to the club currently. It's used in multiple ways, 1) to get a overall value of the squad. 2) approximate transfer fee. 3) club legal requirement for insurance purposes etc.
Every single player in top flight football has a book value.
You keep saying this over and over again but you have failed to acknowledge there's a 75% chance that he could carry on being shit which voids your whole argument.
The clubs aren't worried about spending in the winter. They are worried because he's shit and on ludicrous wages.
If City and Walker stop us shifting him to Milan that would be very annoying.
We lose nothing if he’s shit. We aren’t getting any sort of decent offer for him now and we won’t in the summer if he doesn’t perform on loan.
However, there’s a massive upside if he’s good. I think the chances are pretty high that he will. He’s only 27 and has had no injuries since his 40GA season. He has to be incentivised to do well, he can probably stay out of bars for a few months and he will probably join a club which will be far more functional than the mess he’s been playing for here over the last 18 months.
Given that Sancho is able to look a decent player at Chelsea, the confidence with which people declare that there’s no chance of Rashford looking good elsewhere is baffling to me. Whether he’d be able to maintain it is another question but he’s definitely capable of going on loan and dazzling for a few months.
If Sancho and Lingard can manage it, I have no idea why anyone would be so confident as to assume there’s no chance that he could put a few months of good form together, particularly in a weaker league.
What you are talking about here is not book value.
He wasn’t in the training pix from last week
I leaning to keeping him now. The offers we are hearing are hilarious and not worth listening to. Not only that, if we are planning to replace him with Muani, then I would absolutely would want him to stay.
If he's shit we won't find anyone to buy him, they are paying for that 25% possibility.
Those who think he's valued at substantially more than £20m, I wonder how you'd feel if the scenario was reversed and we were buying a lazy and unmotivated 27 year old on £325k from another club, for £60m or whatever. I suspect you'd not be saying that's a fair valuation and a good transfer for United, but quite the opposite
He costs us 17m a year to keep. That's before any things like appearance and goals bonuses. If we're stuck with him another 2 years that's 34 million. I refuse to believe we can't find a well scouted younger talent that offers far more for a quarter of the price. Any offers north of 25 million we should be listening to
The reaction to us buying mount should tell you.
With Greenwood teams saw potential and a player the can sell.
It's clear from an outside position that if he wants to play in Europe he needs a pay cut. But he may need to take a 40% pay cut. And let's be honest no one is prepared to take that big of a pay cut. Ronaldo wasnt, so his only option was SA. By all reports Rashford doesn't want to go there.
So selling him now is hard. But nothing guarantees that a loan (with us paying a x% of his wages) will raise his value along. We have to accept a lower bid now and invest in other positions, rather than risking being in the same situation for the whole summer.
Book value refers to the value of an asset on the balance sheet. When a club pays a transfer fee for a player the fee or the player registration right as it's called is recorded as an asset on the balance sheet and is then amortized over the length of the players contract. We have never paid any transfer fee for Rashford and therefore he has no value on the balance sheet.
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Obviously has no place in this team. Amorim making that point very clear.
For any club buying him, he’s a risk due to his poor attitude, his unwillingness to work hard and his wages.
£25m would be a decent price to get for him.
£25m would be a decent price to get for him.
Please sell this cnut to Arsenal.
Arsenal need attacking reinforcements. Who better than this guy?
That will be 60m please. Thank you.
That will be 60m please. Thank you.
Which club(s) do you think will pay a large transfer fee AND match his wages?
We have been playing well the last few games without him...
Showing fight ..
He is gone for sure
Showing fight ..
He is gone for sure
We dont need him. Hope we get a decent fee and buy a top talented player
I 100% agree with you and don’t believe a word of it either and what I’d do if I was the club is use what Rashford is saying against him so the club can get him off the wage bill and get a somewhat decent fee for him, if he wants to force himself back into the England squad then take a pay cut and work for it but if he doesn’t and it’s all PR spin then go to Saudi Arabia and put in a semi shift for big money and be allowed to live the lifestyle he clearly wants.
Sounds right. If watching the City comeback didn't do anything for him, a lifelong United fan with the actual ability to make a difference on the pitch, then nothing was going to unfortunately.
Amorim barely even managing to stay diplomatic today when asked if Rashford has played his last game for the club. Said "I don't know" and it felt pretty close to "I don't care."
I feel the same way, as probably do most of our fanbase
Quite right too. Rashford has been indulged for far too long. feck him
Just straight up not been in the squad for what, 7 games? 8? If we can’t move him on in January does he just come back into the fold like nothing’s happened?
Sell him to Arsenal...they deserve each other.
Yeah, I don't wanna say feck him but I think it's best he moves on. I hope his team isn't trying to overplay their hand in terms of finding a new club and that it doesn't end up with him stuck here. But I thought it was noticeable also how Amorim no longer feels he has to indulge the Rashford line of questioning in the media at this point. Results have picked up and perhaps Marcus is that little bit closer out the door at this point, so Ruben probably feels he can give the Rashford questions short shrift.
Really? After seeing the team spirit that is developing after he and Casemiro were bombed out, you want to reintroduce him to the dressing room? feck that, he can go on a free for all I care now.
I am not in the dressing room to know what happened, but Rashford does not strike me as negative character.
Last two performances have underlined how little we need him nowadays. It is really sad to say but we had ultimate effort from all our players in both Anfield and the Emirates and were rewarded with results.