I fear we're too far gone to do that without the risk of undermining Amorim's position. It's difficult to find the wages the PL can offer elsewhere. If he does well, and we get a better fee, but the wages aren't satisfactory to him, he can easily leak that he's proven himself, doesn't want to leave and that the manager is the problem for not building the team around him. The press will be all over us and, from a tactical perspective, we'd be in the same place we were before this whole saga began.
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I fear we're too far gone to do that without the risk of undermining Amorim's position. It's difficult to find the wages the PL can offer elsewhere. If he does well, and we get a better fee, but the wages aren't satisfactory to him, he can easily leak that he's proven himself, doesn't want to leave and that the manager is the problem for not building the team around him. The press will be all over us and, from a tactical perspective, we'd be in the same place we were before this whole saga began.
If Milan go for Walker they’re out of the race for him. It must sting that a club would choose the ghost of Kyle Walker over Rashford in his prime.
I'd sell him for 20-30 million just to be rid of him and his hilarious wages. Anyone thinking United are getting any more than that is living in Dreamland. This is not some 21-year-old prospect you are selling here, it's overpaid dross that is closer to 30.
Not at all. If the club is worried about protecting Amorim all they have to do is exclude him from the team and make it clear the decision comes from above Amorim
that’s why I think it’s better for everyone if he goes on loan. If we sell him now, even with an obligation to buy, we’re going to get £25 and a half eaten twix. Let him actually play, hopefully score some goals and in the summer he’ll actually be worth a decent chunk of money.
Anybody been onto his agent’s website?
Founded in 2015 by both of his brothers and apparently, 10 years later, they are - and I quote - “we are Europe's leading sports management organisation”.
Clients include Marcus Rashford……and a lad from Bolton, one at Leeds, a girl from Villa and some lad who plays in Denmark.
Safe to say that his agents aren’t leading the way in anything apart from riding on the coat tails of their younger brother. Bet they’re petrified that this gravy train is now grinding to a halt.
Founded in 2015 by both of his brothers and apparently, 10 years later, they are - and I quote - “we are Europe's leading sports management organisation”.
Clients include Marcus Rashford……and a lad from Bolton, one at Leeds, a girl from Villa and some lad who plays in Denmark.
Safe to say that his agents aren’t leading the way in anything apart from riding on the coat tails of their younger brother. Bet they’re petrified that this gravy train is now grinding to a halt.
If you even can. That's what West Ham might offer, and Rashford has an actual offer from at least Milan - they're not offering 25m now.
It’s not really more dramatic than him being left out of the team while sorting out his future. If he ends up staying, he’ll probably find himself in the matchday squad again fairly quickly.
They’d be more inclined to be skeptic based on his last few seasons rather than last month.
You think there's a chance he stays and plays for United again this season? Fair enough
Do interested clubs believe that though? Not so sure
My guess is United will hold out for the best offer (loan with no obligation to buy), and then take the best they can get from the clubs he would willingly move to, which rules out Saudi.
If this runs for another 3 weeks which it likely will, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him get a few minutes otherwise his value drops as our public desperation gets worse.
If this runs for another 3 weeks which it likely will, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him get a few minutes otherwise his value drops as our public desperation gets worse.
I had a look at Rashford's personal website but stopped reading after the phrase " multi-hyphenate phenomenon"
Can’t really imagine any other outcome, it’s in the best interest of all parties involved to make sure it happens. It would be a huge surprise if he’s kept out of the squad for the remainder of the season.
There is evidence that he can be a good player so other clubs may back themselves to get him to form. They'd be wrong of course, he is finished as an elite player. He can chip in with a goal here and there but it's offset with all the drama and cost in wages/transfer fee.
That belongs in Pseuds Corner.
I think he’s stuff off the pitch would say different. I’ve no idea why he isn’t motivated enough to step it up or if it’s physical issue. But let’s not pretend like anyone other than him and those around him do.
Utd, Juventus, Spurs and Villa shown the most interest in Muani. PSG want a permanent deal or loan with obligation to buy. Luis Enrique not interested in Rashford at PSG.
Jonathan Norcroft thinks Rashford will go out on loan with Utd paying a percentage of his wages.
Rashford book value is £54mil, but Utd won't get anywhere near that.
Jonathan Norcroft thinks Rashford will go out on loan with Utd paying a percentage of his wages.
Rashford book value is £54mil, but Utd won't get anywhere near that.
Thankyou. The whole crux of the matter, which makes his endless talk off the pitch pointless. Cant wait until he has no association to the club
I think it's the other way round. It'll be a surprise if he's not kept out of the squad until the end of the season.
Amorim seams different and won't make the same mistake as previous managers.
He'll only be brought back if there's an injury crisis but even then he won't play.
Apologies if an ignorant question - how can he have book value given he wasn't a signing? Do we just mean the remaining value of his contract?
It can't be, it'll be £0.
Not sure it is 0 given his signing does cost signing and agent fees that would be spread over the length of the contract. No where near 54 mil though.
Rashfords book value is 0, we never paid a transfer fee for him so it's impossible that he has any value on our balance sheet.
What signing though? He was never purchased.
"multi-hyphenate phenomenon"
What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
Yeah but he signed a contract (well multiple, but as far as I am aware only the last one should be relevant to this).
Salary is irrelevant to book value.
He's incredible, and you need to be associated with him. ASAP
Salary is irrelevant, signing fee I'm not certain, agent fees has to be.
There is no signing fee, unless you mean signing bonus?
Agent fees, signing bonuses, loyalty bonuses, salary, image rights, all of this is tied into his contract and has no bearing on asset value, all commitments end if he moves on a permanent transfer.
Written down value in the books is only related purchase price/transfer fee.
Yeah wasn't aware of a distinction between the two. Bonus then. I'm 95% sure the agent fees are amortized over the length of the contract and thus form part of the book value, and I'd be surprised if signing bonuses were dealt with differently because it never makes sense to have them in the books in one lump sum if you can avoid it (would be otherwise in the year of the signing).
Not that it makes much difference in real terms anyway. Given the transfer fees and salary talked about here it might as well be 0.
He will have to reach levels that he never reached before to be sold for over 60 millions with his wages and age. Even if he performs really well (which is doubtful) he may be sold around 40. But what if he performs the way he has performed on average the last 5 years? 10 million max.
Better to sell him now for 25 and he is not our problem anymore.
Been at the club 20 years, one of the highest goal scorers and appearances for the club. He will always have an association. Much like any ex player is associated with United after they leave.
Don't see that being the case at all. Peak Rashford is a 100m forward with the corresponding wages
There’s different types of agent fees, which may be treated differently from an accounting perspective I guess.
The majority are tied to player salary, generally charged (on top of the salary) at a rate of 10% or more, split between services for the player and services for the club. These will be treated the same way as player salary would be.
There is then the golden handshake type payments (a famous example being Raiola getting paid a wedge when we signed Pogba) but I believe these again only appear alongside transfer fees.
I can’t envisage any scenario where an academy player would have an asset value for PSR purposes, but I could obviously be wrong.
No one will ever pay more than 25m for him.
Regardless of his wages.
Only Saudi fund.
But he too stuffed on his head to go there.
And what sort of 'signing bonus' do we think we might have given Rashy when he signed a new contract? First I've heard of it.
Exactly. I’ve seen posts saying send him on loan to increase his value for a permanent summer transfer which is bonkers!
He’d probably need to score 30-40 goals between now and the end of the season for that to be likely. No club in its right mind is going to pay a huge transfer fee and his ridiculous wages unless he’s doing Ronaldo/Messi numbers.
Clubs will only pay his wage demands if the transfer fee is ridiculously small.
I doubt we’ll get any more than £20 million under any circumstance. Another shining example of the clubs reckless wages structure biting us in the bottom!
£25, not £25m. Not that I’d be happy taking £25m now though, some of the shite that’s gone for more than that in recent years purely because they’re English…a good loan spell and we should be able to get 40m. I’m talking double figures from now until may type of good though.
Signing bonuses are typically paid in annual instalments over the course of the contract, similarly to loyalty bonuses, triggered the week after the transfer window ends if the player is still at the club.