Marcus Rashford (out)
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Not leaving because of the money (that he is currently being paid)
What?? They aren't even talking. Call the three men we sent for the Herrara deal and ask them to
Suit Up!!!
I don't think that is on the Manager though, Mitten has pointed out that every Manager had issues with his behavior and until Amorim every Manager has picked him and defended him other than when he has clearly stepped out of line as with the trip to Ireland last year. The pandering has happened but the blame for that was squarely with Woodward and the front office who protected him and repeatedly took his side, along with that of the other man babies in the dressing room, whenever they fell out with a Manager.
Under Jose and Lvg he was completely different. He was hard working player. The fact is that under Solskjaer he became diva.
There were inside rumours/leaks that half of players were unhappy because Solskhaer had group of players who were allowed to do what they want. Also remember all those stories how training sessions under
West Ham it is then.
I bet he'll still expect his Utd salary to be paid up if his new club can't match his salary though.
We absolutely should not be agreeing loan with obligation to buy. That’s just cutting off our nose to spite our face. What if he’s outstanding for the rest of the season?
This is a guy we know is capable of putting up significant numbers at premier league level. Even many of his critics on here seem to believe that he’s able to turn it on at will if a new contract is in the offing. If he gets his head down and is exceptional then it’s perfectly set up for a bidding war in the summer (and clubs will readily believe it’s the toxic atmosphere at OT which is the problem). If he is awful, then we’ve lost nothing as his stock is as low as it could be currently anyway.
They spelt obligation wrong.
This is also a guy who can't be arsed for 2 years for his boyhood club that he really really really loves.
Give it up man. Christ!
We abslotutely should if the fees are acceptable, he is part of the toxic atmosphere and the sooner he leaves the better
Correct. Weird to build a team around a player who is only there for 6-months.
Sure, so we should sell him. Quite why we have to do it in the worst way possible to minimise how much we get is where we are in disagreement.
Do you actually think he'll put in good numbers? When was the last time he did this?
Probably don't have the money to pay for him immediately
We really should sell/give away all players above 200k a week. Then let all future contracts be performance based with a roof of around 250.
This silly money will never stop if there’s one player earning silly money. Then every players having a good season will point at him and wanting the same.
Agents are the reason. Parasites.
Rashford is certainly one who should leave right here right now. (Good song btw)
This silly money will never stop if there’s one player earning silly money. Then every players having a good season will point at him and wanting the same.
Agents are the reason. Parasites.
Rashford is certainly one who should leave right here right now. (Good song btw)
I don’t know. I imagine he probably will do in a weaker league with an incentive to prove everyone wrong - he certainly has the talent.
The point though is that, even if he doesn’t, we aren’t going to get a good deal now. Milan (for example) aren’t going to agree £50m, so any obligation to buy will probably be at around the £15-20m level. We’d look utterly stupid if we agreed that and he fires in 22/23 numbers.Obviously if we get a much higher obligation then it would be a different consideration.
Option to buy is complete nonsense. Why we would even accept that?
His contract and recent form puts us in a terrible bargaining position.
A loan with a decent fee and half his wages paid is as good as it’s going to get. It just needs to be done soon rather than dragging on until the end of the window.
I think we wont get 50m from Milan even if he does well there. Italian clubs now rarely pay these massive fees anymore, and lord knows when Milan last did.
What constitutes a decent fee?
He's obviously damaged goods and he's been made an example of by the club and Amorim, which may benefit the squad going forward, but obviously from a sales perspective lowers his value. Unlike Sancho though, another lazy and somewhat unprofessional player, he's had plenty of good games for United and a few seasons ago was actually putting his body on the line (until Ole maybe ruined him), while Sancho offered United maybe 10 minutes here or there while looking like an absolute passenger 90% of his time here. So I expect a better fee.
Also, from a PSR POV, is it not better to get a higher fee and pay (subsidise his new contract) towards his contract than get a lower fee and get him clean off the books? Aren't all the teams doing some financial gymnastics to create more leeway?
I'd be quite disappointed with anything less than 45m, depending on what we contribute to his wages at his next club. 50m would be great.
Obviously it's better to loan him out where he's guaranteed to play, but not if that comes with some meagre buy-option, and then sell him in the summer.
He's obviously damaged goods and he's been made an example of by the club and Amorim, which may benefit the squad going forward, but obviously from a sales perspective lowers his value. Unlike Sancho though, another lazy and somewhat unprofessional player, he's had plenty of good games for United and a few seasons ago was actually putting his body on the line (until Ole maybe ruined him), while Sancho offered United maybe 10 minutes here or there while looking like an absolute passenger 90% of his time here. So I expect a better fee.
Also, from a PSR POV, is it not better to get a higher fee and pay (subsidise his new contract) towards his contract than get a lower fee and get him clean off the books? Aren't all the teams doing some financial gymnastics to create more leeway?
I'd be quite disappointed with anything less than 45m, depending on what we contribute to his wages at his next club. 50m would be great.
Obviously it's better to loan him out where he's guaranteed to play, but not if that comes with some meagre buy-option, and then sell him in the summer.
Unless he rears it up in IT (can't see it) I fully expect this 'option' not to be taken up! Whether we like it or not, we have to accept that to get him off our books we are not going to get a decent fee.
No, but we might get it from someone else if he does well (or at least Milan push up how much they will pay - especially if they sell Leao).
I reckon you’re right.
This summer Napoli paid €30 mill for Romelu Lukaku and gave him a contract worth £150k a week for three years. You could argue he is better or more high profile. But he was also 31. Marcus Rashford is 27.
If a club gave the same offer for Man Utd and Rashford, the club would, after paying Rashford the difference, be net zero.
Milan gave a similar contract to Morate and paid AM €10 mill or so. Morata is 32. They have also paid significant amounts for players like Pulisic, De Ketelaere, Tomori and Leao. Juve paid north of €50 mill for Luiz and Koopmeiners this summer. Or look at the amount spent on players like Vhlahovic or Chiesa.
West Ham paid £40 mill for Kilman and gave him £100k a week. Over the next three years that will cost them £55 mill. They also give Bowen and Paqueta £150k a week.
My point? It is possible to sell Rashford this window. Man Utd just wont make a big profit on it.
Either obligation to buy, or let him stay. We are fecking thin in attack.
There is no real need or incentive for anyone to buy him now. He’s not getting picked by us at all, his form hasn’t been good when he has played and his wages are huge. No one is going to lay a decent fee for him now. It’s same as Sancho this time last year, teams wanted him on loan but that was it.
Lukaku had spent two seasons on loan in Serie A, if Rashford has a good loan spell there might be a better market for him in the summer.
Lukaku has great numbers in Serie A and across most of his career to be fair whereas Marcus has a couple of purple patches to point too and a whole lot of meh besides. He has been impotent on the field for 18 months, is probably finished at International level considering the options ahead of him and is on a massive wage. Shifting him is going to be beyond difficult unless there is a way to transform that narrative and the only one that seems plausible is to loan him to a high profile club and then pray to whatever Gods you believe in that he tears it up and someone falls for it like we did the last time we negotiated a contract with him.
If he goes to Milan and performs as he did at United over the last 18 months, will his stock be devalued even further? Probably not. Therefore, taking the risk of a loan without an obligation to buy might make sense, as strong performances could increase his value by the summer.
However, I believe that if we can agree on a fee of around €40 million, we will accept it—especially since it would represent pure profit and remove his wages from our books.
However, I believe that if we can agree on a fee of around €40 million, we will accept it—especially since it would represent pure profit and remove his wages from our books.
If he doesn't do well enough, out on loan, to earn a permanent that's what's coming his way. The club seem determined to throw him out and I wouldn't rule out them not taking his number away and not registering him for the season.
Between 40 and 50m. Considering the wages and his goals/assists record, ignoring the mixed performances the last two seasons.
Urgh! Probably a loan move with a fee of about 5 pounds and we’re covering 80% of his wages. Oh well!
If you can buy Rashford for £25 mill and give him £125k a week there is very little downside, and quite a bit of upside.
I dont agree you could compare him to Sancho. Rashford has done it more than one season in the PL. He is not looking good right now, but nobody is in this Man Utd team. Furthermore, he has played 1500 min of football this season. He played more than 3000 min last season.
If a team take him on loan and he hits form, he will be significantly more expensive this summer. So that is the incentive.
If he goes to AC Milan and keeps his salary he will be second behind Vlahovic in being highest earner in Serie A.
Both of them seem to be overpaid according to their fans
Both of them seem to be overpaid according to their fans
You can’t buy him for that though, that 25m wouldn’t even cover Rashford’s payoff for the rest of his contract at 125k a week. He won’t be that much more expensive even if he does well, Utd will be demanding similar fee as they are now.His wages, length of his contract and fact we don’t want him limit his value.
It’s very similar to Sancho, teams don’t have the incentive to take on very expensive cast offs and most teams don’t have much money to spend. A subsidised loan on the other hand is a different story.
Is that foreign player tax thing still active in Serie A?
The one that allowed big tax breaks for foreign players which made it easier for Italian players to pay big wages.
The one that allowed big tax breaks for foreign players which made it easier for Italian players to pay big wages.
His value is in the toilet right now, why add an obligation? Surely we want him to shit goals between now and May, then negotiate the price in the summer?