This has to be quite humbling if the PL interest is coming from….West Ham.
Marcus Rashford (out)
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I can actually see Juve link. They love their bargains, if they could get him for a small fee with us subsiding part of his wages, they're going to jump on that.
Rashford was at the height of his form when he's signing that contract. Hindsight is 20/20 but the fans would be furious with the management if they refuse his demand and actually puts him on transfer list
Even now after 3 seasons of not being arsed we still have his ardent defenders
It's a catch 22
Same for Casemiro, if we didnt see it happened we would have blamed the management for not paying up.
Just saying
I don't know what's worse. That we are paying a 27y/o player attracting interest from West Ham 325k a week or the blow this will be doing to Rashford's ego.
This is the consequence of not giving your all on the pitch.
West Ham? Wow that must be a shock to him.
Rashford was not at his height, his height was around Christmas time.
Also I don't want my club making decisions like this based on what the fans want.
Yes. Because defiance and motivation to succeed is within both rashford'sand tottenham's DNA.
If anyone on the planet can get Rashford motivated and putting effort into his football it's Graham Potter. That masters degree in emotional intelligence will finally start paying dividends.
Been saying this all along. 3 months of good form doesn’t equate to a huge season. Said it at the time as well that it’s difficult to imagine he would maintain any consistency because inconsistency is the only consistent thing about him.
Alas it is what the management saw.
I think we can still visit back to the thread from that time and look back and the reaction
Redcafe might be just a forum but it represents a good majority of what the fans wants and the management reads and gauge on it. Which is why they seem to appoint whatever the fans wanted here. From ETH to Amorim was the household names around here.
I think the only outliers was Moyes and LVG.
If I recall correctly - despite no setting the world alight - he scored in Amorim’s first couple of games in charge, no? how/why did he fall so out of favour with Amorim - was it strictly the poor performances?
I vaguely recall seeing a video of him frustrated on the team bus after a game - he seemed unhappy with the way he played.
I also remember Amorim saying him and Garnacho trained well after being banished (obviously coaches lie all the time), but still - seems like the club is actively pushing him out, even seeing suggestions of a loan, which I don’t think help United much. I mean, he’s been poor for a while, but I’m assuming bringing the wage list down is also a substantial motivator in all this, right?
I vaguely recall seeing a video of him frustrated on the team bus after a game - he seemed unhappy with the way he played.
I also remember Amorim saying him and Garnacho trained well after being banished (obviously coaches lie all the time), but still - seems like the club is actively pushing him out, even seeing suggestions of a loan, which I don’t think help United much. I mean, he’s been poor for a while, but I’m assuming bringing the wage list down is also a substantial motivator in all this, right?
So... everyone that defends him and say there's a world class player there. How is it that no top team actually want him? Surely if he's as good as you defend him for, there would be a long line for him? And don't say wages... if he's as good as you say, surely wages shouldn't be an issue?
West Ham have money, right?
They will ask us to foot his wages.
I am ok with him being pushed out when you consider the effort, application and standard of football he has given us for years now.
Honestly, I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting his contract off the books and his influence out of the club. Most top clubs would have forced him out long ago on that salary.
Not for his wages
For clarification - I wasn’t suggesting there’s anything wrong with wanting to get a top earner who’s not justifying their wages, off the books
I was just trying to ascertain if there’s more to it for the apparent fallout with the coach or was it strictly the poor performances and the club wanting to be smarter about the wage list
If he cares at all about his stalled career then he'll surely take a wage cut of some sort to get regular football.
I don't understand how money is even a motivator beyond a certain point for these guys. Pay me 100k a week to play football? Sure, my family are loaded for generations with very simple investment. 50k? Sure, same thing. Let alone on whatever the hell he's actually been earning.
Mad. Do those daft jumpers of his keep him living week to week?
I don't understand how money is even a motivator beyond a certain point for these guys. Pay me 100k a week to play football? Sure, my family are loaded for generations with very simple investment. 50k? Sure, same thing. Let alone on whatever the hell he's actually been earning.
Mad. Do those daft jumpers of his keep him living week to week?
Good luck finding Molise! And please do tell us if you do!
His performances under Amorim certainly weren’t poor enough to be banished. The suggestion seems to be its to do with off-field behaviour, which makes more sense.
Ego I think. Hard to imagine being on £100k per week and feeling poor for you and me, but I imagine in a dressing room where that's the baseline there is a lot of status attached to being the top dog.
Laurie Whitwell did an article on the Athletic, I don't have the subscription to it but he mentioned on the Talk of Devils podcast after the Liverpool game that it was mainly due to off the field issues, he referenced Rashford being out a day or two before the City game and then had trained poorly around it, apparently a conversation happened and presumably this is where the relationship has broken down. Not sure how true that account would be, but Laurie is normally one of the more reliable one's so there is probably something to it.
Bang on. It's a shame to live like that (in my poor man's opinion), when your skillset could have you earning a fortune playing all over the world. Look at Mata getting to live in Japan, or even fecking Andy Carrol rocking up in Bordeaux. What a wonderful way to be able to see the world, get filthy rich and play a game most of us pay £5 subs to slide around on shite waterlogged pitches all winter.
Go to Como Rashford for fecks sakes. Drink in some sun and pasta.
We're just making up the ego line here though, aren't we?
The guys not played for England in nearly 2 years. I'm pretty sure he doesn't think he's this world class player who walks into Barca/Reals team.
He's not going to turn his nose up at West Ham. Bowen plays for them and gets in the England team. No reason why Rashford can't do that.
Given he's played for England in several major tournaments it's not exactly delusional for him to aim for that as a realistic target.
The guys not played for England in nearly 2 years. I'm pretty sure he doesn't think he's this world class player who walks into Barca/Reals team.
He's not going to turn his nose up at West Ham. Bowen plays for them and gets in the England team. No reason why Rashford can't do that.
Given he's played for England in several major tournaments it's not exactly delusional for him to aim for that as a realistic target.
It'd have toibe subsidised, then again no club will be paying close to his full wages I suspect, he just hasn't performed close to s 300k+ type player.
Our wage-turnover is very healthy, even without European football. In theory 150k would certainly be possible. I don't think any club in world football right now would go beyond that, its clearly a buyers market when it comes to Rashford.
The only thing I'd say about West Ham is look at Lingard. He rocked up, got stuck in and for those 6 months he looked like one of the best players in the league. In many ways, Rashford is in a very similar position to Lingard right now, similar time of his career as well I'd say.
Its a good move for Rashford in my opinion. PL means he's in the eyes of Tuchel all the time and that's what he wants.
Other teams not even willing to pay one of our *star* players half his wages is damning for Marcus, the club and his ridiculous contract
Sigh yet another shit show
Sigh yet another shit show
Yeah, I think he’d definitely go to West Ham on loan for the rest of the season, especially with memories of how Lingard did there. You’d have thought he’ll see that as a way to show that he’s still a top player and get a better transfer in the summer.
I think poor performance(s) gets you benched but the lack of effort/application/not giving your all on the pitch/in training is what gets you completely dropped. It's inexcusable. I also think the laziness is detrimental/toxic to overall culture in the dressing room and that is something high on the list to eradicate.
This is all without even bringing his huge salary into the equation - which I am sure is a factor, but not the main factor behind it because if he was performing and applying himself, I doubt anyone would want rid.
They can’t even afford Maguire’s wages
He hasn’t even performed like a 30k per week player.
The 'pay most of his wage' is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
If that was the case then he'd have found somewhere. But the whole reason for United loaning him out is to get a significant chunk of his wages off the book. Completely different situation to Dalot.
Does he though? I dont think me or you can understand some of the logic.
If football was my dream and I made it and at United, surely you know how hard it is. Footballers career is short, so when you play the game, you want to be at your best. The one thing I cannot forgive or understand from footballers is effort, you can have all the talent or none, you do not need any talent to work hard off the ball. He can go clubbing and partying after retiring.
For years we have seen him and Lingard not care about football, Rashford's career is heading the same way. Lingard had a choice of West Ham for a multiple year contract but low wage or 200k 1 year contract at Forest, he chose the money and is now in Japan.
Rashford will chose money over career.
This, very much so.
He will accept Saudi Arabia.
Just not now.
He still lives in his own reality.
No one on his surroundings has sound advice for him.
He still has the upper hand really, has the advantage of collecting the pension for another 3 years.
Dont think he sees it any other way.
Otherwise, he would have said he's willing to fight for his club, and not being ready for the next challenge.
Imagine
Potter would be the perfect manager for him. He could turn up 3 hours late to training and he would still get fluffed.
And then I woke up, bed sheets ruined by what I had dreamt of during the night.
Well if Frank says it, it must be true