Marcus is weighed down by the pressures of Manchester United. Some people get elevated, others slump. I think he probably wants to do well but he simply isn't good enough to be the talisman of this club. The club needs to get more ruthless and have him moved on.
Marcus Rashford confidant thinks some critics are "bullying" him.
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I still think he was not industrious enough on the pitch (unfortunate injuries aside)
I know it's cliche, but actions speak louder than words. Which is why I can't stand this whole PR nonsense, to include half-baked apologies for poor performances. (but that's a different discussion)
If he really cares about what others say about him and want to silence his critics, then put up the numbers or shut up.
If he can't cut it with higher standards for his wages? Move elsewhere.
If he really cares about what others say about him and want to silence his critics, then put up the numbers or shut up.
If he can't cut it with higher standards for his wages? Move elsewhere.
It's not really a cliche. It's true. His actions have consistently over many years been the opposite of what he says. He just plays the PR game.
Needs to be sold, it's not working anymore.
Yes let’s. I wouldn’t if he tried but the way he lost the ball on Sunday and just jogged on without giving a rats arse just sums his attitude up.
If he was a young apprentice starting off in the under 15’s with this attitude and showing this kind of skill he wouldn’t be playing for the U16’s the following season. Not for Manchester United any way and he shouldn’t be playing for the first team now.
Every one thinks it’s fine to jump on the Bruno bandwagon of him being a mouthy whining diving cheating brat but at least it shows he cares even if he has lost a bit of his ability lately, that I put down to frustration trying to captain the likes of Rashford.
In what way? I personally agree with everything that poster wrote.
I thought he was "back".
He may have been until our bald headed genius decided to “rest” him three weeks into a new season. I think he would have scored against Crystal Palace in that first half.
Bollocks.
Good talk.
Interesting that you chose to type one word in response, to try and drum up the emotional response of the anti-goldbridge brigade. Why didn't you specifically address the comments that were made? Is it the fact what was stated in that post was dead accurate, and while you might be a Rashford fanboy his world is crumbling around him because he's been a crap player and had an even crappier attitude for a very long time now, and you know that everything said was true?
If you stand by your "goldbridgesque" comment then please elaborate on where this poster was specifically wrong in their assessment.
Is that a technical term?
Watching this morning’s Goldbridge podcast, he has it on good authority some of the players haven’t been fully committed in training. According to Bennie Macarthy, this has been going on for a while so we can completely rule out the newbie’s.
Realistically ...... Who's buying him ???
What the hell is wrong with you?
Loons
Grow a skin Marcus
There aren't 5 better left wingers better than him in world football so realistically a lot of teams
It can (and has been by a lot of people) be argued that he's not even the best left winger on our team based on the last season's form. So we have two out of five best left wingers in the world?
This is what I struggle with. I can see a club like Everton being interested, but he wouldn't take the pay cut I suspect.
The whole "sell him to PSG" thing - as if they can't afford scouts or a television set to watch him play these last two years - needs to stop too. The only thing he has going for him is the devotion of those who get really cross at those who dare to notice how bad he is.
£300k a week and £60m just to have unofficial fan site message boards flooded with "He was decent, you've got an agenda" every week probably isn't worth the outlay.
The club created a monster. I remember during the SAF era, players would be kept humble, constantly having to prove and re-prove themselves each season.
When Rashford broke through, the club was desperate for a good news story - 'local lad done good', so we had to endure this ridiculous charade of the club promoting him well beyond his actual abilities.
He was set-up to fail in a way. He's a fairly mediocre Premier League winger / wide forward who was ludicrously compared to the likes of Mbappe and Ronaldo - no wonder people are disappointed!
When Rashford broke through, the club was desperate for a good news story - 'local lad done good', so we had to endure this ridiculous charade of the club promoting him well beyond his actual abilities.
He was set-up to fail in a way. He's a fairly mediocre Premier League winger / wide forward who was ludicrously compared to the likes of Mbappe and Ronaldo - no wonder people are disappointed!
This.
Yet we still have fans trying to claim he’s in the top 5 in world football in his position…
nobody
probably less than 10 teams in the world can afford his wages, and is he isn't justifying anywhere near those wages
Mbappé, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Son, Kvaratskhelia, Rafael Leao, Luis Diaz, Nico Williams, Trossard, Garnacho, Doku, Savio. I'd also put Gordon, Grealish and Martinelli above him. Rashford isn't the same player he once was.
He's not in the top 5 in his position in the Premier League
He's closer to the bottom 5 in his position in the premier league honestly.
Only reason he doesn't get bullied more is cause he's a media darling for some reason.
If I were a press journalist first question I'd ask Ten Hag is Rashford has horrible performances why do you keep starting him?
I don't care about last season's form.
I care about how he's performed for United when deployed as an inside forward instead of a touchline winger, whenever the team around him was even just half-decent, in the last 5 years.
19/20: 24 G/A in 31 PL games
20/21: 21 G/A in 37 PL games, 6 G/A in 6 CL games
22/23: 22 G/A in 35 PL games
(Didn't include EFL, the FA cup and the EL so that no one brings up the stat-padding argument)
Ask yourself the question: Can United's collectively abysmal performances throughout two whole seasons (21/22 and 23/24) be solely blamed on their left winger? The same guy who was always one of their best and most important players when the team around him was alright. Because in the two seasons where he didn't perform to his true level, he played in teams where almost no other player in the whole squad performed well.
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The problem rashford had for a few seasons was that he was most likely to score, so there was a bigger spotlight on him. No one else was fecking scoring so when he went on a bad run instead of others stepping up and helping, the focus was all on rashford being shit.
The issue is that now he's not even doing that, he looks miserable and hardly seems to try. Maybe he is but it really doesn't look like it.
The issue is that now he's not even doing that, he looks miserable and hardly seems to try. Maybe he is but it really doesn't look like it.
Laughable. The two first sentences disqualifies the rest of your post.
He’s not top 5 in the Prem ….not even good enough for England Euro squad.
Why?
Because you cannot grasp that one player cannot be solely responsible for a team completely falling off the cliff like United did twice in the last 3 seasons?
Or that there are different types of wingers, and ten Hag has been putting Rashford in noticeably deeper positions and closer to the touchline, since the start of last season?
Or you don't want to accept that whenever we had a "good" team and season (and by good I mean a somewhat functional side that can get into the top 4, not a title challenger or anything like that, Rashford has never had the opportunity to play in such a team even for a single season of his career so far), Rashford was always one of our best players?
England's left side was very strong in the Euros with Foden doing nothing on the left for 622 minutes, whilst the likes of Rashford, Gordon, Sterling, Grealish, etc. were sitting on the bench or at home. Incredible argument mate
It is impossible to make a case for Rashford being better than Rodrygo. The same really applies for the rest of the players you don't think are better than him, because they have proven that recently, and not 3 years ago. It doesn't matter what Rashford did in the past when debating who is currently the best players.
You seem to be stuck in the idea that Rashford isn't playing well because the team isn't playing well, and blaming it on him not playing his true role as an inside forward. The best players play well even when their teams play poor, and if he was as good as you claim, then he'd deliver. It is not the rest of the team's fault that he runs into three defenders and loses the ball. It is not their fault that he is lazy and doesn't run. It is not their fault that he is always offside, and can't be bothered to get back in time. He just isn't that good anymore, it happens.
What was Rashford doing during the Euro’s?England's left side was very strong in the Euros with Foden doing nothing on the left for 622 minutes
United have never and will never challenge for top honours while he remains a ‘key’ player.
Nobody wants him ….unsellable.
I'd agree that he's closer to bottom 5 but I can't even be bothered arguing about it nowadays - I have posts going back to 2019/2020ish where I warned people he wasn't the top talent he was hyped to be and as usual, it's time rather than arguing that has proven me correct.
Back in those days if you dared suggest he might not *quite* be Mbappe level, you could be sure you'd have 15 notifications calling you an idiot.
Nowadays it's the people still championing him that we all think are wierd!
There were three better wingers on the pitch than Rashford on Sunday for a start.
He's lazy, his touch is awful, his short and medium range passing is terrible, his awareness is non-existant, he's predictable, he has absolutely no left foot, he's frightened to challenge in the air, he's the tenacity of a dandelion, he's never got a plan and runs blindly into dead-ends and he's actually a poor dribbler i.e. when moving with the ball at pace.
I'll say his finishing is pretty decent, when he actually gets into a reasonable position, he's quick and direct, which is useful and he can ping a decent switch (see FA Cup Final), that's about it for positive attributes!
1. No, it isn't impossible. You just need to profile the two players, and then also compare the environments they play in. Rodrygo isn't a more valuable profile than Rashford and neither are the other players you listed except for those 4-5 names.
2. Yes, Rashford isn't performing up to his true level because the tactical setup is shit, and he's being used as a touchline winger when he's an inside forward. It's like using Maguire/De Ligt as a wide defender where their strengths are hidden and their weaknesses are uncovered. Or telling Salah / Mbappé to stay wide, hold down the touchline, and stay in deeper areas rather than being the closest player to the opposition's goal from your team.
However, the team not collectively playing well is a result of many things, Rashford being misused is just one of them. But it's not Rashford that decides his own role and position. ETH is misusing, or has misused Onana, Martínez, Maguire, Mainoo, Fernandes, Mount, Casemiro, Amrabat, McTominay, Fred, etc. many players
"The best players play well even when their teams play poor" this is just a sentence you think sounds good so must be true, but not even close to being true.
Why would I ask myself this question? No one is blaming our collective underperformance solely on him. His own underperformance is mostly of his own making though and the only way he could’ve kept playing like he does (not tracking back & not pressing) was if he were producing Mbappé/Messi numbers which he didn’t even at his absolute best.
Rashford of 19/20 & 20/21 (I like how you’ve decided to cherry pick his best seasons in order to say that he’s one of the best players in the world in his position) was a different player, much more dangerous, hard-working and team-oriented. He isn’t that player anymore and he hasn’t been for a while. In 22/23 he briefly (for a few months) achieved the level that you’re talking about and it was actually worth it to compromise the structure in order to maximize his output. But he is yet to show that it wasn’t a purple patch of form and at the moment it does look like it was, while his deficiencies (mostly in term of his off-the-ball contribution and general play) are permanent.