Ali Dia
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Rashford definitely doesn’t watch his matches back afterwards. He’d be roaring at himself and crying himself to sleep on his massive bed made of money with his model gfs. Tough life!
That's a good thing.Some of the only stats where he's exceptional are bad ones. 91st centile for getting dispossessed!
That moment vs Leicester where we cleared their corner to the half way line and Amad chased after it, leaped up to win a header that he had no right to win, and then carried the ball into the final third. I was off my seat applauding it as if it was some genius piece of forward play, when in reality Amad was demonstrating the basics of attacking that we've been deprived of for the past few years from Rashford and co.It says a lot that Amad scores more with his head than Rashford does.
There has been a clear increase in effort and application this season, but for me, that has only served to remove the cloak of mystery behind his form.
The fact that Rashford is trying and is still rubbish is far more damning than him needing to ‘sort his head out’, which I had long hoped was the case. I am now firmly of the opinion that he needs to be sold as soon as possible. Aside from our backline, he and Mount represent the only players aged between 23 and 29 in the squad, which should be the prime years. Ugarte might be 23 too, so add him if he is. This highlights the problem with our team, with our players being too young or too old. We have no top class players playing in their prime years, and the few we have, we are getting a shocking return on, back 5 excluded. Rashford and Mount are both already ‘former internationals’ by their mid-twenties, and are paid obscenely.
A 27 year old forward who has been largely uninjured has no excuse at all for delivering what Rashford has delivered weekly for a top club for quite some time now. Must be shipped off.
There has been a clear increase in effort and application this season, but for me, that has only served to remove the cloak of mystery behind his form.
The fact that Rashford is trying and is still rubbish is far more damning than him needing to ‘sort his head out’, which I had long hoped was the case. I am now firmly of the opinion that he needs to be sold as soon as possible. Aside from our backline, he and Mount represent the only players aged between 23 and 29 in the squad, which should be the prime years. Ugarte might be 23 too, so add him if he is. This highlights the problem with our team, with our players being too young or too old. We have no top class players playing in their prime years, and the few we have, we are getting a shocking return on, back 5 excluded. Rashford and Mount are both already ‘former internationals’ by their mid-twenties, and are paid obscenely.
A 27 year old forward who has been largely uninjured has no excuse at all for delivering what Rashford has delivered weekly for a top club for quite some time now. Must be shipped off.
I'll give you credit, you were spot on even during his 22/23 season that he wasn't quite as "brilliant" or "world class" as many thought and instead was just finishing very well in front of goal. Once that purple patch ended he's regressed to the mean of what he is as a player now and it's not pretty.His stats for the last 365 days are quite remarkably bad. Not "bad for a Manchester United striker", bad compared to basically any player in his position at any club. The detailed analysis for passing has 22 different metrics. For 19 of them he's on the 40th centile or worse. Even his carrying/dribbling metrics are awful. Some of the only stats where he's exceptional are bad ones. 91st centile for getting dispossessed!
I've been a big backer of Marcus, I was convinced he'd have a big season after missing out on the Euros. I just felt it was the kick up the arse he needed. Seems like there is more going on with him than meets the eye though, he looks shot to me. He's got half a season to rescue his Manchester United career, if he carries on in the same vain I doubt Amorim will waste his time on him.
Also what else is really bad, England have had 8 first team players pull out and Marcus has been overlooked. He'd literally fallen that far he's best totally forgot about.
Seeing our fans do this actually amazes me, considering what we have seen from Rashford for quite some time now.He was so unprofessional last season that any improvement in effort looks like a huge thing. Hes still coasting through games with the occasional running when we don’t have the ball.
People asking him to lead the line are looking for trouble. We can’t be playing strikers who are uninterested in pressing from the front.
I'll give you credit, you were spot on even during his 22/23 season that he wasn't quite as "brilliant" or "world class" as many thought and instead was just finishing very well in front of goal. Once that purple patch ended he's regressed to the mean of what he is as a player now and it's not pretty.
Always hate when fans give players constant "his head's not in it" excuses, or to say "we need to back him so he returns to top form". Because an actual top player will rarely ever let some random online cnut dictate how he performs, the very best are able to block out the noise and just succeed. If it's a family tragedy or some special circumstance then absolutely fair enough, but I don't think you should get leeway as a player just because a few fans are upset at you playing shit and it made you sad, especially not if you're a full fledged international.
He wasn't though, that's the thing. The underlying stats tell us that, the two times he got 17 PL goals, on both occasions he scored as many goals as he should have. He generally neither over-performs nor underperforms his xG. The big difference in the seasons he doesn't score many goals is in the amount of xG he can generate. In both those seasons, the team worked very hard to set him up in front of goal, and he did well, cutting inside from the left. Probably because he's a finisher who just wants to start on the left wing. When he's being asked to hug the touchline, operate as a real winger and fend for himself, that's when it looks to go awry. Whether he's worth the sacrifices his "preferred" role demands of the team or not, that's for the manager to decide. Let's see if third time's (interims not included) a charm.
I don’t think we can blame the role he’s being asked to play for the way he’s blown so hot and cold. Look at his most prolific season of all, where he managed to go from one of the least productive attackers in the league to scoring basically a goal every game in the same season. In 2022-23 he had a good pre-season then scored just 3 goals in the first 14 league games. That’s a strike rate which would give him 8 goals in a league campaign. Less than Hojlund last season.
He’s currently on 1 from 11, so far this season, so if he scores 2 in the next 3 then his league productivity so far will exactly match his best ever season. He’s just an incredibly inconsistent and streaky footballer. And that has nothing to do with tactics or his role in the team, because we’ve seen the same thing under multiple managers, over multiple seasons. Including extreme hot and cold spells within a month or two or each other.
What irritates me is how so many people are trying to put Garnacho into the line of fire to deflect away some of the criticism. Gary Neville did it recently on Sky discussing their work rate.
Firstly there's no comparison in that area. Secondly it's annoying when people talk about Rashford as if he's some promising, young up and comer and then slam Garnacho as if he's the one who is 27 and got 500 career games for club and country under his belt and should be doing better.
You sometimes need to Google their ages to make sure you're not going mad. Garnacho is barely a year older than Mainoo. Rashford is basically same age Keane was in the year at the start of our treble winning season. It's really quite ridiculous.
The idea anyone in 98/99 would pluck a 19/20 year old and think Keane was a reasonable comparison in terms of performance, work rate or anything else. Nobody bats an eyelid when it happens with Rashford. It speaks volumes.
Nah it's more that I don't think it helps... not surprised the nuance eludes some of you
I get what your are saying, in the initial point that folk are responding to. I certainly think players are affected by fans and media. Garnacho being the latest example.
However I'm not sure I buy into it with Marcus. Simply because he was everyone's darling with his food for kids period, which coincided with him being chit. The criticisms of him have been very late in coming, in my opinion. Almost when he has forced or given no choice to media, commentators and fans in finally saying he is chit. Basically there were excuses for him for a long time.
Well work rate sounds easy to many people sitting down on the couch eating potato chips and chocolate whilst being on their phone and watching TV.
However,
A) Not everyone is built for a work rate, just as not everyone was playing like Roy Keane
B) Applying work rate when the manager is so obviously crap is extremely hard. Rashford wasnt as bad under Ole & Mourinho even though he wasnt someone Mourinho liked - if i remember he wanted Perisic who is more in line with Roy Keane than Rashford.
Under Ragnick & Ten Hag however he shows much less work rate because he obviously doesnt believe in the project and this is similar to the fans of the club turning more Ten Hag out as every month progressed.
Now would the fans who were Ten Hag out be working as hard as the fans who were Ten Hag in? I dont think so and its going to be much more obvious in players like Rashford who isnt like Keane physically or mentally. Hojlund is a great example, gives it his all because he believes in the project that he was bought in for and believes in. Same with Dalot who was given a chance under Ten Hag over Wan Bissaka. Rashford doesnt fight for his spot neither does he believe in the project whilst also not physically park ji sung or Roy Keane.
Under Amorim, he must either believe in the project, fight for his spot especially if Amorim avoids 8-0 losses as early as the first season under Ten hag. Rashford was also once a young good player that has been overused & may be seeing the symptoms of a late Rooney or even what people worry about the potential physical future of players like Yamal & Mainoo that have broken through very early.
This was the guy who broke through at 18 and was the youngest ever goalscorer for England & people seem to have forgotten about that.
Pretty much where I’m at with it, I’ve been a big defender of his. This season hasn’t looked like lack of application for the most part, he’s just looked a bit slow and doesn’t seem to have any confidence in his finishing. His pace has definitely dropped, not to say he’s ‘slow’ but he’s not running past defenders like he was in the first five seasons and that was a big part of his game.I've been a big backer of Marcus, I was convinced he'd have a big season after missing out on the Euros. I just felt it was the kick up the arse he needed. Seems like there is more going on with him than meets the eye though, he looks shot to me. He's got half a season to rescue his Manchester United career, if he carries on in the same vain I doubt Amorim will waste his time on him.
Also what else is really bad, England have had 8 first team players pull out and Marcus has been overlooked. He'd literally fallen that far he's best totally forgot about.
There has been a clear increase in effort and application this season, but for me, that has only served to remove the cloak of mystery behind his form.
The fact that Rashford is trying and is still rubbish is far more damning than him needing to ‘sort his head out’, which I had long hoped was the case. I am now firmly of the opinion that he needs to be sold as soon as possible. Aside from our backline, he and Mount represent the only players aged between 23 and 29 in the squad, which should be the prime years. Ugarte might be 23 too, so add him if he is. This highlights the problem with our team, with our players being too young or too old. We have no top class players playing in their prime years, and the few we have, we are getting a shocking return on, back 5 excluded. Rashford and Mount are both already ‘former internationals’ by their mid-twenties, and are paid obscenely.
A 27 year old forward who has been largely uninjured has no excuse at all for delivering what Rashford has delivered weekly for a top club for quite some time now. Must be shipped off.
Pretty much where I’m at with it, I’ve been a big defender of his. This season hasn’t looked like lack of application for the most part, he’s just looked a bit slow and doesn’t seem to have any confidence in his finishing. His pace has definitely dropped, not to say he’s ‘slow’ but he’s not running past defenders like he was in the first five seasons and that was a big part of his game.
I’m still hoping he can come back and look dangerous in a proper system where he’s not hugging the right hand touchline and playing a bit closer to goal. We’ll have to give it a go because we’re not shifting him on his wages, I have no idea why people think PSG are suddenly going to come in for a player who is being deemed not good enough for a mid table team.
He's been so poor in front of goal I guess.He is playing so far from goal nowadays, what is that about?
If that's true, he has absolutely no business wearing a Manchester United shirt, although he did have his best season under Ten Hag so as asinine as as "he didn't try hard because he didn't believe in the manager" is an an excuse, it's not actually true.Well work rate sounds easy to many people sitting down on the couch eating potato chips and chocolate whilst being on their phone and watching TV.
However,
A) Not everyone is built for a work rate, just as not everyone was playing like Roy Keane
B) Applying work rate when the manager is so obviously crap is extremely hard. Rashford wasnt as bad under Ole & Mourinho even though he wasnt someone Mourinho liked - if i remember he wanted Perisic who is more in line with Roy Keane than Rashford.
Under Ragnick & Ten Hag however he shows much less work rate because he obviously doesnt believe in the project and this is similar to the fans of the club turning more Ten Hag out as every month progressed.
Now would the fans who were Ten Hag out be working as hard as the fans who were Ten Hag in? I dont think so and its going to be much more obvious in players like Rashford who isnt like Keane physically or mentally. Hojlund is a great example, gives it his all because he believes in the project that he was bought in for and believes in. Same with Dalot who was given a chance under Ten Hag over Wan Bissaka. Rashford doesnt fight for his spot neither does he believe in the project whilst also not physically park ji sung or Roy Keane.
Under Amorim, he must either believe in the project, fight for his spot especially if Amorim avoids 8-0 losses as early as the first season under Ten hag. Rashford was also once a young good player that has been overused & may be seeing the symptoms of a late Rooney or even what people worry about the potential physical future of players like Yamal & Mainoo that have broken through very early.
This was the guy who broke through at 18 and was the youngest ever goalscorer for England & people seem to have forgotten about that.
A lot of it could be that he's struggling with the reality that at 27 he's still behind in terms of development players 5 - 8 years younger than him. He must be aware of these things. I know he's into his PR, but the man can't be completely oblivious to reality and what he sees around him.
TLDR. Somebody else's fault.Well work rate sounds easy to many people sitting down on the couch eating potato chips and chocolate whilst being on their phone and watching TV.
However,
A) Not everyone is built for a work rate, just as not everyone was playing like Roy Keane
B) Applying work rate when the manager is so obviously crap is extremely hard. Rashford wasnt as bad under Ole & Mourinho even though he wasnt someone Mourinho liked - if i remember he wanted Perisic who is more in line with Roy Keane than Rashford.
Under Ragnick & Ten Hag however he shows much less work rate because he obviously doesnt believe in the project and this is similar to the fans of the club turning more Ten Hag out as every month progressed.
Now would the fans who were Ten Hag out be working as hard as the fans who were Ten Hag in? I dont think so and its going to be much more obvious in players like Rashford who isnt like Keane physically or mentally. Hojlund is a great example, gives it his all because he believes in the project that he was bought in for and believes in. Same with Dalot who was given a chance under Ten Hag over Wan Bissaka. Rashford doesnt fight for his spot neither does he believe in the project whilst also not physically park ji sung or Roy Keane.
Under Amorim, he must either believe in the project, fight for his spot especially if Amorim avoids 8-0 losses as early as the first season under Ten hag. Rashford was also once a young good player that has been overused & may be seeing the symptoms of a late Rooney or even what people worry about the potential physical future of players like Yamal & Mainoo that have broken through very early.
This was the guy who broke through at 18 and was the youngest ever goalscorer for England & people seem to have forgotten about that.
This will just re ignite the debate on what is the best position for Rashford. Other than number 9, i dont see any other position which he can play in 3-4-3 position. Would be interesting to see if he can adapt