[Redlyn]

What about his form in 19-20?

A goal every 150 minutes

23 goals and 12 assists in 3600 minutes of football

We could rely on him that year.

Shame he couldnt do it for more than one year. Currently he certainly cannot be relied upon for form or fitness. That's why we need a new striker.

 

[SoCross]

Where on earth has his touch gone? Even when he’s dribbling, he’s not in control.

Really not a question of form any more, this has gone on for far too long. Hopefully specific coaching and instructions on how to play will see him become a useful player for us.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

In some of the last few matches he reminds me of Ronaldo during the France 98 final. I think something is wrong in his head.

 

[Gavinb33]

Shame he couldnt do it for more than one year. Currently he certainly cannot be relied upon for form or fitness. That's why we need a new striker.

The next year after he also got 20 goals and was played into oblivion by Ole with a broken back

 

[Greck]

It’s so obvious he is a right winger having watched him for a season that I’m genuinely completely bemused how anyone could think otherwise. He can do a job on the left if we are desperate but he’s really limited there and struggles to get involved at all.

In the same season he beat Rashford for the left side. He turned his season after Rangnick moved him there. Everything good we remember from Sancho last season came from the left. It doesn't matter anyway, their performances will decide. If it's anything like last season we might already start calling up Newcastle.

It's not obvious at all, his manager just signed a right winger for £84m. His previous two managers played him on the left.

When he struggled without Hakimi at Dortmund in his last season, he didn't pick up his form till he got moved to the left.

Same with us last season.

 

[stw2022]

It's impressive the lengthens we still see people going to avoid the obvious conclusion that like the vast majority of players who looked promising in their late teens and early 20s he's turned out to be not very good.

"Maybe it's the crushing pressure of a social conscience in Tory Britain"

Yeah, that's it.

 

[Redlyn]

The next year after he also got 20 goals and was played into oblivion by Ole with a broken back

The conversation was about Martial, but no worries, it wasn't obvious.

 

[Pickle85]

What about his form in 19-20?

A goal every 150 minutes

23 goals and 12 assists in 3600 minutes of football

We could rely on him that year.

But we can agree that's very much the exception as opposed to the rule, right?

 

[Vidyoyo]

It's impressive the lengthens we still see people going to avoid the obvious conclusion that like the vast majority of players who looked promising in their late teens and early 20s he's turned out to be not very good.

"Maybe it's the crushing pressure of a social conscience in Tory Britain"

Yeah, that's it.

Certainly. We're asking him to play a type of football he's just not very good at.

The same reason why Martial, whose best quality is ball control, looks better all of a sudden.

The best thing Rashford has done all season so far is run 30 yards into empty space and put the ball in the back of the net because he's very good at playing on the counter attack

 

[Pickle85]

Certainly. We're asking him to play a type of football he's just not very good at.

The same reason why Martial, who's best qualities is ball control, looks better all of a sudden.

Again...he's played 45 minutes so far this season...

 

[Vidyoyo]

Again...he's played 45 minutes so far this season...

Fair point. It wasn't really about Martial anyway

 

[Pickle85]

Fair point. It wasn't really about Martial anyway

For what it's worth i agree with you about Rashford not suiting the kind of football it seems we want to play now. Such a shame he's not become the player we'd hoped but injuries really seem to do a number on him and his confidence (and pace) don't seem to have recovered.

 

[Vidyoyo]

For what it's worth i agree with you about Rashford not suiting the kind of football it seems we want to play now. Such a shame he's not become the player we'd hoped but injuries really seem to do a number on him and his confidence (and pace) don't seem to have recovered.

Agree, I still think he could be a good squad option but my hope for him being a starter is fading rapidly

 

[amolbhatia50k]

The number of people touting Martial above Rashford (and I am no Rashford lover) is legitimately staggering. Yes, he used to do some pretty dribbles but he's been terrible, and when he's not been terrible he's been injured, for the last three(?) or four(?) seasons.

There's nothing staggering about it. While Martial has been disappointing both fitness and form wise in recent seasons he's one of the most naturally gifted talent we have. I'd love both to do great at United but Rashford's the one with whom I doubt his actual ability whereas with Martial you always wonder whether the new manager can get some of his potential fulfilled. I mean in one 45 minute appearance against Liverpool Martial performed better than Rashford has in his 5 matches of basic run in a straight line footy.

Also Martial gives us something different nobody else does through the middle. Whereas with Rashford we now have better mode technical players in every position.

Again all of this subject to which Rashford and which Martial show up every week but with Rashford I'm really unsure as to whether he even has the basic ability needed

 

[Pickle85]

There's nothing staggering about it. While Martial has been disappointing both fitness and form wise in recent seasons he's one of the most naturally gifted talent we have. I'd love both to do great at United but Rashford's the one with whom I doubt his actual ability whereas with Martial you always wonder whether the new manager can get some of his potential fulfilled. I mean in one 45 minute appearance against Liverpool Martial performed better than Rashford has in his 5 matches of basic run in a straight line footy.

Also Martial gives us something different nobody else does through the middle. Whereas with Rashford we now have better mode technical players in every position.

Again all of this subject to which Rashford and which Martial show up every week but with Rashford I'm really unsure as to whether he even has the basic ability needed

I understand where you're coming from, but this speaks to a really common debate on the caf...style vs substance. Martial can look very pretty playing because at his best he has close control and once upon a time could finish under pressure (though who knows if he still has that going for him). I think that can blind people to how fundamentally ineffective he is on a regular basis. He's been dreadful for a few seasons, but still folks expect that to change. I think Rashford, while he probably should be a bench player from now, is still worth more to have on the bench than Martial.

 

[Xaviboy]

He can't play with his back to play. Few times ball played in to him and was bullied off the ball or just couldn't get it under control.

He needs to be playing on left or right wing where he can see what's in front of him all the time.

Not a centre forward.

 

[hobbers]

Where on earth has his touch gone? Even when he’s dribbling, he’s not in control.

Really not a question of form any more, this has gone on for far too long. Hopefully specific coaching and instructions on how to play will see him become a useful player for us.

You cant coach someone out of a chronic lack of talent and especially out of a total lack of interest.

 

[Tibs]

I sometimes wonder whether he really cares about football anymore.

Over Covid, he's found, lets be honest, a much more important role amongst helping/raising awareness for issues faced by the poorest in society...he's made his money, his family are set forever in terms of money...maybe the motivation has just gone?

Not knocking him for that to be honest...

He's gone shit though, Antony should take his place immediately

 

[Newtonius]

Hes lucky there is a lack of options in the forward positions he should be sitting next to Maguire and Shaw, that attack will considerably improve when Elanga and "Rashy" come out for Antony and Ronaldo/Martial, really can't wait tbh. Had enough of him stinking up the place carelessly losing the ball and jogging around the pitch to last a lifetime.

 

[Olecurls99]

Shame he couldnt do it for more than one year. Currently he certainly cannot be relied upon for form or fitness. That's why we need a new striker.

Most strikers can't do that once. Very very few in fact

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Shame he couldnt do it for more than one year. Currently he certainly cannot be relied upon for form or fitness. That's why we need a new striker.

I don’t think anyone here has argued that we don’t need a new striker though. I think the pushback comes when people suggest Martial wouldn’t fit this side better than Rashford up front because of his inconsistency. As if Rashford has been the Dennis Irwin of forwards in our side.

 

[Kill 'em all]

This is just a matter of time until fans accept that he's just lost it like a lot of other promising players touted to have a great career. This has been going for far too long to be just a problem with form.

There was a moment against Leicester, he lost the ball and just stopped and continued slowly walking. Most of the time he makes you doubt whether he even wants to be on the pitch.

 

[SoCross]

You cant coach someone out of a chronic lack of talent and especially out of a total lack of interest.

Its not that he doesn’t have the talent. We all saw that he did. Just puzzling.

Lack of interest, perhaps.

 

[stw2022]

Its not that he doesn’t have the talent. We all saw that he did. Just puzzling.

Lack of interest, perhaps.

Nah what he had was lightening pace and the fearlessness of youth. Outside of that this technical attributes were never particularly noteworthy.

Honestly think his pace, and even the goals and assists he was producing, kind of tricked us into thinking he was a better player than he actually was.

The game is full of bang-average players who have a season or two that, in isolation, can make them look like superstars. In his best league season he scored one more open-play goal than Greenwood and he had far more game time.


At some point you need to show more than simply knocking it by the last defender and running like feck.

 

[JeffFromHK]

Weird fans keep using that 17 league goals season to justify that he is good enough to be a Man Utd starter while he obviously isn't.

Many second tier PL players bang in good numbers as a 1 season wonder. Darrent Bent scored 24 league goals one time, he is never world class. Walcott scored 14 league goals 1 season, his career spiral down afterwards. And don't forget the legendary Michu who scored 18 league goals one season. Rashford will never outscore 17 league goals a season in his remaning career unless he moves to lesser leagues since he has no poacher instinct and his finishing is mediocre.

 

[shahzy]

Its not that he doesn’t have the talent. We all saw that he did. Just puzzling.

Lack of interest, perhaps.

Tbh im sure if you look in my comment history i called him a kick and run merchant going back years. It wasnt talent, it was just speed and enthusiasim of being a kid that wasnt part of the first team so he had a point to prove. Ive always said martial was the far far superior technical player between them. its just martial was lazy whilst Rashford was the opposite and that was enough to be more impactful. As it turns out, without effort, Rashford is as expected a bit of a nothing player

 

[SoCross]

Nah what he had was lightening pace and the fearlessness of youth. Outside of that this technical attributes were never particularly noteworthy.

Honestly think his pace, and even the goals and assists he was producing, kind of tricked us into thinking he was a better player than he actually was.

The game is full of bang-average players who have a season or two that, in isolation, can make them look like superstars. In his best league season he scored one more open-play goal than Greenwood and he had far more game time.


At some point you need to show more than simply knocking it by the last defender and running like feck.

Tbh im sure if you look in my comment history i called him a kick and run merchant going back years. It wasnt talent, it was just speed and enthusiasim of being a kid that wasnt part of the first team so he had a point to prove. Ive always said martial was the far far superior technical player between them. its just martial was lazy whilst Rashford was the opposite and that was enough to be more impactful. As it turns out, without effort, Rashford is as expected a bit of a nothing player

I hear what you guys are saying but respectfully disagree to a certain extent. Young Rashford had good technique, he had more than lightning pace and was more than a kick and run merchant. If my memory serves me right, he actually played quite a number of games as a number 10 at youth level and didn’t rely on his pace.

Agree with Martial being the more talented player and agree with Rashford now having reverted to a kick and run merchant. Give him space to run into and he’s deadly. But he was more than that and I put it down to a lack of development on part of the club’s coaching staff.

This is not poor form, this is him now simply not having developed enough to be an automatic pick in United’s starting eleven. Antony and Sancho will displace him from the wings and when Martial returns, from the CF position.

Edit; just have a look at his debut goals and how good his movement and appreciation of space was. I can’t see current Rashford scoring half of those goals any more sadly.

 

[EngimaMK]

He can't play with his back to play. Few times ball played in to him and was bullied off the ball or just couldn't get it under control.

He needs to be playing on left or right wing where he can see what's in front of him all the time.

Not a centre forward.

He's shit on the wings too

 

[shamans]

When will people stop bringing up his top season under Ole.

Yes. He's a counter attacking footballer. Ideal for teams that park the bus and hit you. He's not man united level

 

[Greck]

When will people stop bringing up his top season under Ole.

Yes. He's a counter attacking footballer. Ideal for teams that park the bus and hit you. He's not man united level

Half our starting xi were actually being carried by the delusion of their 2020 form. Actually glad ETH has phased out so many already.

 

[Quagmire Maguire]

Weird fans keep using that 17 league goals season to justify that he is good enough to be a Man Utd starter while he obviously isn't.

Many second tier PL players bang in good numbers as a 1 season wonder. Darrent Bent scored 24 league goals one time, he is never world class. Walcott scored 14 league goals 1 season, his career spiral down afterwards. And don't forget the legendary Michu who scored 18 league goals one season. Rashford will never outscore 17 league goals a season in his remaning career unless he moves to lesser leagues since he has no poacher instinct and his finishing is mediocre.

Agree with this. I also find it funny that people also forget even during his goal scoring periods how poor he still was. Go back and read his performance threads on here from those seasons, he still isn’t hugely rated by a lot of people on here.

I am hoping Antony is the end of Rashford, get Martial/Ronaldo through the middle and Sancho on the LW. Job done.

 

[Stobzilla]

I reckon he gets a goal late on today. 3rd goalscorer in a hard fought 3-1 win.

 

[Kill 'em all]

His current deal is reported to be worth around 200k per week and it expires after the season. I hope that we learned from the mistakes of extending contracts of deadwood or we will end up trying to ship him off with no takers.

I watch a lot of football and at the moment I have more confidence when I see a ball played into a mid table striker than I have in Rashford and that says a lot. Even the link up play of these mid-table strikers look better and they can hold up the ball better and make a good decision around the box. Against Leicester he just killed so many good situations and it would have cost us the game against better opposition.

 

[Leethal]

Should never play as a striker.

He's far too much of a fanny. Backs out of every 50/50 and generally contributes nothing at all in a physical sense.

Seeing him starting week in, week out, has to be demoralising for the squad players. He is playing absolute dog-wank, yet, seems untouchable.

 

[slored1]

Very very good again. Well done Marcus! Shutting me up recently.

 

[Fortitude]

Credit where it’s due! We’ll in, Marcus!

 

[Vidyoyo]

He's brilliant at running onto long balls. Finishing ain't bad either

 

[horsechoker]

He's growing into the role.

He's back among the goals too

MOTM

 

[Andersonson]

Brilliant today.

 

[JeffBoomTetris]

Damn what a difference compared to the Leicester performance. He was hungry today. Excellent work rate. He was involved in all 3 goals. MOTM easy.