Great prospect. Going through a rough patch but he'll be the better for it. On and upwards.
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Yup but that's what player performance threads are for. It's hardly a complicated concept. Sheesh.
His fav position ? Because playing wide forward will prevent him from finishing such a terrible misses.
I don't care about the criticism, every player deserves that. I was talking about people
blaming him saying it was his fault we drew. Which is unfair to pin on any player.
It seems to some it is.
Yes my fault. I just felt there was a large sentiment in the thread yesterday blaming Rashford for the draw and took it into that context.
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I see on Twitter that sentiment. It appears a lot of people are blaming Rashford in particular.
Yeah I know he messed up a couple of counter attacks. But so did Pogba and Matic and Mkhitaryan.
In any case it was our pathetic camping in the box to defend while letting Albrighton swing in his crosses.
This is on the team including Jose. Only person who doesn't get any flack for this is Lukaku.
Hes not in his best moment but its normal with young players.
Today they are great, tomorrow they do everything wrong, next week they back to form.
Our problem is that we rely too much on the youngsters.
When they are not playing well it will not go unnoticed. So they are under permanent pressure to deliver.
The best scenarios for those U-21 are:
1 - to play for a team that do not depend of your performance, like Gabriel Jesus for City.
2 - to play for a super dominant team, like Mbappe for PSG.
Today they are great, tomorrow they do everything wrong, next week they back to form.
Our problem is that we rely too much on the youngsters.
When they are not playing well it will not go unnoticed. So they are under permanent pressure to deliver.
The best scenarios for those U-21 are:
1 - to play for a team that do not depend of your performance, like Gabriel Jesus for City.
2 - to play for a super dominant team, like Mbappe for PSG.
The thing for me is that he wasnt selfish when he started his career and sure wasnt careless at the beginning of this bloody season. Being unselfish isnt something you learn, its one or the other for me. Hes not making mistakes, hes choosing to do the, blatantly, wrong thing. Its not as if he chosen the wrong pass, hes ignoring great opportunities to show that hes capable of doing it himself.
Yesterday was the first time he was shamed, his 100th appearance. His built up personality (clearly visible) must have taken a beating. Hope he puts his head down and works back to form.
Huh? Are you saying he has an oversized ego?
Yes i do. Not totally out of place for a kid that was placed 3rd best in the world.
Wtf
3rd best in the world?Don't care about the selfishness or the ego. He should have one, an immense one if he is to be a Manchester United forward.
But yesterday was not about ego, it was about playing up to the occasion and he failed systematically. Every decision was the wrong one. You rarely see something like that. Last time I vividly remember a group of players going through an agonizing moment like that was the infamous 4-4 against Everton.
But yesterday was not about ego, it was about playing up to the occasion and he failed systematically. Every decision was the wrong one. You rarely see something like that. Last time I vividly remember a group of players going through an agonizing moment like that was the infamous 4-4 against Everton.
Wtf
He was i guess, after Mbappe and O. Demele by Fifa under 20 category or something.
Dont agree with the first part. Watching Ronaldo and Messi yesterday and you could see why one team lost and the other won. Yes, sometimes you need an ego and be confident in your ability but dont be a selfish fool more often than not. Thats what Rashford has been doing recently and what Ronaldo did in yesterdays Classico. Frustrating to watch and harmful to the team.
Sane is a very selfish player as well. Much more so than Rashford.
I'm not giving him less flak , he deserves it btw. Just saying that a forward has to have an ego but it's also up to his environment to channel it in a constructive manner.
I'd argue many others in this United team feel like they've already reached the peak and aren't really working as a team.
The only way someone gets better at anything is by doing. On the other hand abilities do get "dull" if they are not used properly.
And he has to prove he deserves to get a game as a striker over someone as Lukaku by finishing such terrible chances.
By no means are we allowed any luxury to play him there with such finishing, especially with Lukaku there.
He is coach that fails to develop his players. As of now.
There is still chance, but i think Jose chosen the wrong and damaging approach and needs to change it.
He is 20. There is not a single football player on Earth who's reached his full potential a 20.
He did exactly same thing. Exactly. Two-three years ago everyone was saying how wasteful he is, how he does not make right decisions etc.
Well to be fair in the game against City, Rashford did finish his chance, while Lukaku did not.
Also important to note that Lukaku spent like 7-8 games without a single goal and missing lots of chances while retaining the support of Jose and starting spot.
To start him every game no matter what and to never start him there are not the only two options exactly. There are many thing Jose could have tried. Like playing sometimes with two CFs, or tweaking the position, so that even though it's on the side, it's a proper attacking position, not a left midfield one. Or starting him in some games, or moving him there during the game. And so on. I've already pointed out that Lukaku had a terrible run in front of goal some time ago. And? Jose did not gave any chances to Rashford (or Martial) as a CF during that time. None at all. That hardly seems fair and could have been very demoralizing.
Rashford had shown zero connection with Lukaku to prove they should play together. On the contrary Martial has always been linking well with Lukaku when they played together either being a winger or a 2 strikers as against Cska (away), Watford and Arsenal.
Lukaku had a poor run of games, but it was preceded by 11 goals in first 10 games of season. Rashford hasn't shown anything to prove he can lead the line as effectively and score consistently, and as a pair to Lukaku, he has shown zero link with him away form that WHU goal.
Lukaku had a poor run of games, but the team wasn't affected and the goals were still flooding, because apart from 2 or 3 really poor games from him as City and Chelsea, he has been doing his other jobs and opening spaces for the teammates, not being selfish and greedy, trying to always score if things aren't going his way.
Sorry but the only thing that anyone can want Rashford to become our striker is because he's from our academy.
Calling him.names, saying he is another welbeck or calling him mediocre is wrong.Yes he was at fault but I think he is absolutely lacking confidence. He is not sure what to do, whether to shoot or go around the keeper , whether to pass or keep the ball. He will come good once he becomes.more lethal in his decision making.
In the end it's about winning. It's a team sport so when you ignore an easy option to score it just makes you a bad player no matter how much talent you have. It's one thing to take it on yourself rather than do a layoff and another to ignore a wide open player in a goalscoring position.
Ronaldo would have passed it to Lukaku the several times he was open. Martial would have too because he always keeps an eye open. Rashford's is down in form and all his brain is thinking is I need to score a goal to impress. Hence the stupid decisions yesterday. Rashford's attitude and inexperience cost us points yesterday, but in fairness so did a lot of other things.
No, academy is a bonus. The guy clearly has a lot of talent, not many players can perform on the level he has shown in the last two years at a top club, at that age.
He never actually had a proper chance to do so.
10 goals in 10 games, then no goals in 8 or 9 is not exactly "consistent". Rashford is way young, it's crazy to ask him to score consistently. And you missing the point. The fact is, that learning via playing is absolute necessity for any player to progress. No player at 20 would even show half of his talent. Messi was not scoring 40-50 goals a season.
Good managers find the way to develop players. It is their job.
I don't think I said he's talentless. I said he's as hell not ready to lead the line or be the striker here. That selfishness and terrible decision making he has been shown lately has nothing to do with his position. It has nothing to do with anything except himself, and if he can't improve this decision making and finishing then no chance we can afford him a chance to lead the line for us as a striker, because he didn't show he can be trusted here at all.
I replied on Lukaku part. Apart from actually 2 or 3 really poor games as City and Chelsea ( and he got enough criticism for them ), he has been always helping his teammates, opening spaces for them and doing his job without being greedy, or trying to take every shot on the goal fecking it up. Lukaku had scored many other important goals this season and set up chances for his teammates to score. Rashford isn't on the same level of being trusted at the moment and we haven't seen any link between Rashford and Lukaku thus far this season whenever both played together on the pitch, contrary to Martial.
I don't hate Rashford, or don't think he's talented or anything like that. What I'm sure about is his terrible recent form is on him, and has nothing to do with anyone bar him only. If you can't finish such chances, and keep taking the wrong decision every time you get the ball, it looks strange to blame anyone bar him all honestly.
We all know Mourinho isn't the youth developing manager, and not Pep also btw, but if you need a manager to tell you to not feck up a counter, or a manager to teach you how to shoot on the goal instead of taking a penalty, then we're under massive problem. These are basics. If we need a manager to teach our players basics then it's easier to buy a new team from the start.
He is having a bad spell with his decision making. Either showing tunnel vision, head down, no awareness of his teammates or picking the wrong option for the forward pass. Last night he had opportunities to play a killer pass, clearly saw it and chose the backwards option. Shows a loss of confidence.
20 years old though, ideally Utd would have a more reliable senior player who would allow Rashford to be managed through these spells. Long term it will probably help him, but in the now he is struggling.
20 years old though, ideally Utd would have a more reliable senior player who would allow Rashford to be managed through these spells. Long term it will probably help him, but in the now he is struggling.
You think he doesn't have an ego?
By definition, if you are one of the best at doing something, you will get a big ego. This is normal and is absolutely expected.
What needs to happen is that his ego needs to be kept in check and perhaps Jose needs to say something to him in private or completely remove him from the match day squad (not easy to do during the xmas period, due to the number of games).
Can't believe people are pinning this on Mourinho, he's playing for himself as simple as that. It's nothing to do with not playing in his 'favorite' position, as a winger your job is to set your team-mate up and if the opportunity presents itself you score yourself. He did neither yesterday and that's why he's getting criticism.
Reality is Rashford hasn't responded well playing 2nd fiddle to Martial, in his head he believes he's good enough to start most games and his attitude on the pitch reflects that. Rewind the clock back to August, Martial was literally getting 10 mins to stake his claim, but in those 10 mins he was making correct decisions on counter-attack from which we scored a lot of goals. Rashford is doing the polar opposite, he's ignoring runs or spaces in front of him and goes for the hollywood option more often than not.
Reality is Rashford hasn't responded well playing 2nd fiddle to Martial, in his head he believes he's good enough to start most games and his attitude on the pitch reflects that. Rewind the clock back to August, Martial was literally getting 10 mins to stake his claim, but in those 10 mins he was making correct decisions on counter-attack from which we scored a lot of goals. Rashford is doing the polar opposite, he's ignoring runs or spaces in front of him and goes for the hollywood option more often than not.
I mean, there's no need to blame him for anything but people are rightly pointing out that he's been poor lately.
It's fair enough he gets criticism. Blaming him for everything is unfair. It used to happen to Lingard and Mata a lot as well.
Everyone has an ego. I haven't noticed Rashford being too big for his boots. He's not some Januzaj kid who tries impossible shots all the time.
I do think there's something to be said about his approach to the game since Martial has pushed him to the bench more often recently than before. He does seem to have a bit of tunnel-vision in trying to score and become decisive. It's understandable, he's trying to get noticed and get his spot back but as others have mentioned, it's actually been counter-productive as he is seen now as playing more 'selfish' without the end-product and at the detriment of his teammates.
Looks like some loss of confidence to me. Didn't seem to know what to do before attempting to go around the GK from a standing start & then doesn't play the pass a couple of times presumably because there are some instructions about retaining possession.
I'm trying to recollect his 1 on 1 vs the keepers, and by memory most of them were misses or lost opportunities. Definitely needs to improve on this area
It's his sulky and overconfident persona that irritates me, it's something he didn't have before he was a guaranteed starter for us. Seems to correlate with his lack of focus and intensity on the pitch.
This. His attitude the past couple months has stunk and its coincided with a poor run of form. He sulks and gives away needless fks everytime he losses the ball.
Shoots from anywhere ignoring players in better positions as well
How has his attitude been poor? I've not noticed that. Yesterday was his worst match for us that I can remember. Before that he's had one game where he maybe took too many shots from outside the box with at least 2 defenders in front of him, but generally, he's not been bad this season. Comparative to the team as a whole. Martial's just been better and worked his way into the first 11.
Of course he needs to work hard to improve his game and no doubt he'll be told when he needs to address certain things, but a lot of the debate is way polarised. He's come from being a potential world beater to being seriously overrated with horrible decision making.
He's quite obviously a highly talented youngster who can go very far in the game. He's going through a rough patch, if you can call it that, in a team that collectively is struggling to find organic attacking flow.
From everything I've seen, he seems to be quite levelheaded and calm as a person. Expect this minor blip to soon be forgotten.
Of course he needs to work hard to improve his game and no doubt he'll be told when he needs to address certain things, but a lot of the debate is way polarised. He's come from being a potential world beater to being seriously overrated with horrible decision making.
He's quite obviously a highly talented youngster who can go very far in the game. He's going through a rough patch, if you can call it that, in a team that collectively is struggling to find organic attacking flow.
From everything I've seen, he seems to be quite levelheaded and calm as a person. Expect this minor blip to soon be forgotten.
Agreed but Rashford is younger and he's had an entire season of having people blow smoke up his arse.. most young men of that age are going to get an ego in that situation and find the come down from that perch very difficult to bounce back from especially right away.
Martial last yea was finding that loss of status unbearable remember the twitter shit about the 9 shirt. It is mental growing pains and the measure of the man or the boy will be how he handles it the year after and whether he can react to loss of status and realise he isn't all that and still has to prove he is all over again. If he comes through that we will have a man on our hands and if he doesn't he will fade out of the picture entirely.
What I don't agree with his writing him off completely right now with many acting as if they've never had ego or would struggle to be dropped from a side they were starting in. Rashford reaction is immature but very natural for a boy of that age.. we need to be patient and see if he can overcome this mental obstacle not give up on him already.
It was bizarre how we seemed content for Albrighton to sling over three of the best crosses I’ve seen all season and all three in the last three minutes of injury time !
Having seen the quality of the first one come in you’d have thought a closing down instinct would have kicked in when he had the second opportunity a minute or so later but we just stood and watched.
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