[Bubz27]

When he scored I got a notification saying "Man Utd Wonderkid reminds everyone he still has it."

If I wasn't watching the game, I would expect a great goal. Not a tap in that he still nearly gave Gomes a good chance of saving.

He is talented, but not as talented as the media make out. And the narrative is that Jose is holding him back, which is crazy imo.

If he wasn't a local lad, I wouldn't be devastated if he left. And if stories are true about him being unhappy at his role, he needs to have a word with himself.

 

[acnumber9]

I also think Mourinho has to share some of the blame here too - his constant public criticism of players must be partly why they (the likes of Pogba, Shaw, Martial) try to do too much and go for personal glory, when a team mate is in a better position. He doesn't seem to reward good games and we've seen it many times where good performances result in being benched for weeks after - it's no wonder they think they have to score every time they get the ball.

Mourinho would be much more likely to pick them if they were being team players. It’s the individuals going about it the wrong way. Lingard hasn’t been dropped because he hasn’t scored for a while. The difference is Lingard is playing for the team.

 

[simplyared]

Strange assessing him after todays game. Thought he looked sharp in the 1st half and looked like a different player compared with recent games. His goal will have contributed to that. Then in the 2nd he just stopped playing. Looked like his confidence had gone out of the window. Going on that 2nd half display he looked like a player frightened of making mistakes. It's not coming naturally to him. His body language certainly didn't look good.

 

[breakout67]

Strange assessing him after todays game. Thought he looked sharp in the 1st half and looked like a different player compared with recent games. His goal will have contributed to that. Then in the 2nd he just stopped playing. Looked like his confidence had gone out of the window. Going on that 2nd half display he looked like a player frightened of making mistakes. It's not coming naturally to him. His body language certainly didn't look good.

Which is strange because he has a very good chance of the FA cup final with Lukaku and Martial recovering from injury...

 

[simplyared]

Which is strange because he has a very good chance of the FA cup final with Lukaku and Martial recovering from injury...

Hope he's in the starting line-up. Think it would be a boost for him to get the vote of confidence from our manager in such a big game. Although not sure it will happen.

 

[Canagel]

I'm starting to think he's deliberately not passing to teammates who play in the same position as him as he do not want them to overshadowed him in scoring the goals and thus taking his place in the team. See Martial last time out and Sanchez a few times today. Sanchez even gave up complaining after that when it happened again in the 85th minute during that counter attack

He has become so selfish in recent times. His corners are not great. All his shots go into row z. Decision making is so bad but that can only improve with game time. He needs to be loaned so we can see if he has the quality.

 

[breakout67]

Hope he's in the starting line-up. Think it would be a boost for him to get the vote of confidence from our manager in such a big game. Although not sure it will happen.

Unfortunately, I think he has done some things that are really inexcusable (ie that non-pass to Martial against Brighton).

It is not poor decision making, because he looks and sees players in better positions. It is pure selfishness and that can hurt the team a lot.

 

[automaticflare]

He has become so selfish in recent times. His corners are not great. All his shots go into row z. Decision making is so bad but that can only improve with game time. He needs to be loaned so we can see if he has the quality.

I don’t mind anything on here bar the selfishness which I have noticed myself which also comes with some petulant outbursts towards teammates (seemingly at least when watching on tv) which moves him closer to martial like. The very thing that separated him from martial imo

Just get the head down and start working

 

[Henrik Larsson]

One of my favourite goals this season. Sometimes when you read this place it's like that whole match never happened this year.

 

[Isotope]

He killed at least three counter attacks by just stood still with the ball, then passing BACK. And that offside position was just awful.

He's still young, but he shouldn't be our only back up striker, if we want to mount serious challenge next season.

 

[Canagel]

I don’t mind anything on here bar the selfishness which I have noticed myself which also comes with some petulant outbursts towards teammates (seemingly at least when watching on tv) which moves him closer to martial like. The very thing that separated him from martial imo

Just get the head down and start working

Martial is much more of a team player than Rashford. It's not even close. Numerous times this season Rashford has cost the team with his brainless actions and selfishness. I would even say it's not poor decision making. It's just greed which is unacceptable.

 

[simplyared]

Unfortunately, I think he has done some things that are really inexcusable (ie that non-pass to Martial against Brighton).

It is not poor decision making, because he looks and sees players in better positions. It is pure selfishness and that can hurt the team a lot.

I am sure it's selfishness more down to a total lack in confidence and fear of making mistakes. He wasn't sure the pass which he should have made to Martial was going to find him. You could see that today in the 2nd half when he hesitated when we broke out of defence and the obvious ball was to Sanchez and he hesitated and kept the ball instead, we lost the rythym, and the danger was over.

 

[Damien]

He is 20, people often forget that, but I also think the expectations were set too high, to begin with. There was a thread him or Mbappe a year ago. He will still come good I feel, but never some key or indispensable player.

Him starting not to shoot from every single position would help for a start.

Most of the replies said it was a daft comparison.

With the age Rashford is and how he broke through, he's bound to have a rough period. Problem is bar the odd game the period has been about two years. I think people would be a lot more forgiving if he hadn't been so selfish for most of the year. Could have had four or five assists if he passed to people in better positions and it would overall have been seen as a good season for him. Hopefully next season he will be better in that regard.

 

[breakout67]

I am sure it's selfishness more down to a total lack in confidence and fear of making mistakes. He wasn't sure the pass which he should have made to Martial was going to find him. You could see that today in the 2nd half when he hesitated when we broke out of defence and the obvious ball was to Sanchez and he hesitated and kept the ball instead, we lost the rythym, and the danger was over.

Not really seeing how its lack of confidence or fear of making mistakes. Rashford was getting backed to the hills by the manager, and was playing almost every game as a starter or sub.

It might be that with the arrival of Sanchez, Rashford is trying too hard to impress. Or it could be that he is just struggling with form.

He's a young player and it's ok for him to play poorly.

 

[el3mel]

He killed at least three counter attacks by just stood still with the ball, then passing BACK. And that offside position was just awful.

He's still young, but he shouldn't be our only back up striker, if we want to mount serious challenge next season.

It won't surprise me if he was passing back for the sake of going forward and taking position so that he's the one scoring it himself at the end. His greed in games has had no end sadly enough. It's not a quality problem, it's his very strange greed.

 

[Damien]

Not really seeing how its lack of confidence or fear of making mistakes. Rashford was getting backed to the hills by the manager, and was playing almost every game as a starter or sub.

It might be that with the arrival of Sanchez, Rashford is trying too hard to impress. Or it could be that he is just struggling with form.

He's a young player and it's ok for him to play poorly.

It happened before Sanchez came in. I remember this against Leicester:



and against Bristol.



Wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't literally costing us points.

 

[Isotope]

It won't surprise me if he was passing back for the sake of going forward and taking position so that he's the one scoring it himself at the end. His greed in games has had no end sadly enough. It's not a quality problem, it's his very strange greed.

I don't know if that either about greed, or lack of vision, or lack in training. We haven't had a decent counter attack for a long time, and maybe they're not trained to do that?

 

[el3mel]

I don't know if that either about greed, or lack of vision, or lack in training. We haven't had a decent counter attack for a long time, and maybe they're not trained to do that?

Greed and only greed for me, not a quality problem imo.

 

[Isotope]

Greed and only greed for me, not a quality problem imo.

That's the problem though. His quality is not enough to cover the greed. I think even he knows that. I'll give him the benefit of doubt.

 

[el3mel]

That's the problem though. His quality is not enough to cover the greed. I think even he knows that. I'll give him the benefit of doubt.

I still can see a good player in him, but that will only appear when he realizes it's better and easier for the team and himself if he became a team player rather than being such an egocentric player.

 

[Jim Beam]

Most of the replies said it was a daft comparison.

With the age Rashford is and how he broke through, he's bound to have a rough period. Problem is bar the odd game the period has been about two years. I think people would be a lot more forgiving if he hadn't been so selfish for most of the year. Could have had four or five assists if he passed to people in better positions and it would overall have been seen as a good season for him. Hopefully next season he will be better in that regard.

That's true. However, it was just an example (an extreme one) that there is a tendency to go overboard with some of our players and then we equally like to put them down even more harshly than they deserve it. So, maybe part of the problem is also with people's expectations.

Agree pretty much with everything you said down, though. Selfishness is one of the traits which will be somewhat tolerated to you only if you bang many goals in, no matter which age you are.

 

[RedIke]

I'll say it in here.... As I've said before for the slaughter of other players

This place is damn harsh.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Greed and only greed for me, not a quality problem imo.

True that.
He lost me when he didn't square the ball to tony at Brighton. Martial could have got such a confidence boost but rashford had other ideas.

And people somehow managed to defend that by saying it was Jose's fault for not playing him regularly.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Last year:
Martial 8 goals 8 assists
Rashford 11 goals 7 assists
Lingard 5 goals 4 assists

This year:
Martial 8 goals 7 assists
Rashford 7 goals 7 assists
Lingard 6 goals 4 assists

I posted this December 5, as a comparison of Martial, Rashford and Lingard's statistical output this season and last.

With the FA Cup Final our only game left, their statistics are as follows:

Martial 11 goals 11 assists
Rashford 13 goals 9 assists
Lingard 13 goals 8 assists

In that period (a fairly arbitrary point in time to pick, but it's what I have...)

Martial 3 goals 4 assists
Rashford 6 goals 2 assists
Lingard 7 goals 4 assists

In a little over 5 months. Only Lingard's second part of the season compares to his output from the first 4 months (and is in fact more than what he produced in the whole of last season!) I guess you could be positive and say they've all improved on last season, fair enough, but given they had almost hit those totals by December 5th, I can't pretend I'm not a little disappointed with the second half of the season. Not stating whether I think it's their fault or Jose's, but it's disappointing either way.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

One of my favourite goals this season. Sometimes when you read this place it's like that whole match never happened this year.

Everyone is questioning his decision making and mentality. Quality was never an issue.

 

[Charlie Foley]

Most of the replies said it was a daft comparison.

There was one poster saying we couldn't count the fact that Mbappe had starred in a run to the CL semi final against Rashford (who had struggled that season) because Rashford hadn't played in the CL so it wasn't relevant or something

 

[automaticflare]

Everyone is questioning his decision making and mentality. Quality was never an issue.

Sometimes a point comes in a young players career where his brain clicks and he becomes a much better decision maker. I hope this is true of rashford too. He is still only a kid. I have a lot of time for him but I would prefer to see les histrionics than I have in the last few months.

 

[IrishMcD]

When he scored I got a notification saying "Man Utd Wonderkid reminds everyone he still has it."

If I wasn't watching the game, I would expect a great goal. Not a tap in that he still nearly gave Gomes a good chance of saving.

He is talented, but not as talented as the media make out. And the narrative is that Jose is holding him back, which is crazy imo.

If he wasn't a local lad, I wouldn't be devastated if he left. And if stories are true about him being unhappy at his role, he needs to have a word with himself.

This, a 100 times this. Couldn't agree more with you.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

His decision making is woeful.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Sometimes a point comes in a young players career where his brain clicks and he becomes a much better decision maker. I hope this is true of rashford too. He is still only a kid. I have a lot of time for him but I would prefer to see les histrionics than I have in the last few months.

We can always hope mate. The thing is, it's not looking great for him at the moment. He has made horrific decisions this season and he doesn't seem to work on that.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

A few hesitant moments in the final third. Still learning the game, I guess. Glad he got his goal, though.

Hoping he has a good world cup and goes into next season full of confidence.

 

[Ban]

It's strange, when he started under LVG he was hard working, down to earth guy, now he's a bit greedy like he thinks he's all that or something. Don't know what it is but it's never a good time to be a greedy player, especially when you're as young as him.

 

[DarkXaero]

Our worst player today despite the fact that he scored our only goal of the game (which itself was more due to Mata & Carrick). All around terrible performance.

 

[breakout67]

It's strange, when he started under LVG he was hard working, down to earth guy, now he's a bit greedy like he thinks he's all that or something. Don't know what it is but it's never a good time to be a greedy player, especially when you're as young as him.

He was very hard working earlier in the season, when him and Martial were competing. Then his form went to utter piss and he was arguably making us a worse team because all he seemed to do was run the ball out of play and hit the ball into row Z with long shots. The manager kept on playing him until he had that period in Christmas where he basically cost us games due to his actions in the final third (ie Leicester and Bristol).

I think Rashford has been given a fair shake at cementing a place in the team and he's shown he's not ready to be an attacking force for United. Nothing wrong with that since he is still very young. I think Rashford will be a good player for us in a few years, but not now. Hopefully he can deputize Sanchez and take over from him when he moves to MLS or China for one last paycheck.

 

[VeevaVee]

When he scored I got a notification saying "Man Utd Wonderkid reminds everyone he still has it."

If I wasn't watching the game, I would expect a great goal. Not a tap in that he still nearly gave Gomes a good chance of saving.

He was clever with his movement, which is underrated considering our lack of it all season.

 

[Bubz27]

He was clever with his movement, which is underrated considering our lack of it all season.

Really? He made the most obvious run to make.

 

[VeevaVee]

Really? He made the most obvious run to make.

Well yeah, I'm just basing it off our movement and decisions normally. There's a lot of obvious stuff we get wrong usually!

 

[Andycoleno9]

His decision making is becoming worse game after game. Don't know why mourinho is not doing something about that.

 

[FireBlade]

Most of the replies said it was a daft comparison.

With the age Rashford is and how he broke through, he's bound to have a rough period. Problem is bar the odd game the period has been about two years. I think people would be a lot more forgiving if he hadn't been so selfish for most of the year. Could have had four or five assists if he passed to people in better positions and it would overall have been seen as a good season for him. Hopefully next season he will be better in that regard.

Those few assists might have added 9 points and at periods were the player in the center would of got a confidance boost.

i dont want him out, Just for him to do the right thing and play for the team.

 

[Carl S Bridge]

Really don't rate him. Think he's average and never gonna be good enough for man united as a central striker never mind as a winger