Marcello Lippi's Juventus

They were the team to beat and highly revered throughout Europe, and were the domestic dominators in a league which had a media magnate/Italian PM running AC Milan, an oil billionaire running Inter Milan, a food conglomerate running Lazio and another oil billionaire running Roma, all of which were throwing insane money around like there was no tomorrow.
Uh...are you aware who owned(and still owns) juventus? I mean...
One could argue that it was they and not the preceding milan side that were the greatest side of 90s, as their league hull was more consistent and the competition in serie a back then was simply outstanding perhaps even better than the early 90s.
Nah. Milan are clear in the 90s and their best sides(92-94) were a couple notches above Lippi's Juventus.

They had a very controversial league title win if I'm not mistaken however, it involved Inter milan and accusations of ref bribery.
Pretty obviously the first season Moggi took control of the FA. It was just too blatant, you could tell right away it was nothing like the "juventus buys the refs" claims of the past(always more in line with what happens everywhere) - they went way overboard with it. Probably without the memory of this season the Calciopoli seasons wouldn't have looked so bad...
 
I know I'm misty eyed, but I don't know how anyone can watch that video and disagree that football peaked in the late nineties. Bloody hell, I'm on the edge of my seat watching it even now!

That's basically one of the games that made me support United.
 
Will never forgive Mijatovics obvious offside goal in 98. Real won 1-0.
 
Growing up with football in the 90s was special. There was such a mystique around the CL and seeing the Serie A clubs with their silky players. Juve were definitely the bogey team for us, every CL campaign of ours in the late 90s seemed destined to go up against them.
 
Fantastic team :drool:

This is taking me back decades now but if my shoddy memory recalls, they were unlucky to lose both those finals to Dortmund and Madrid. Not sure if someone can correct me, not arsed to check. The 90’s Serie A teams were different gravy.
My shoddy memory says you are right, that it looked like the better team losing both times, but I think that was more down to expectations and personnel. In a way, Juventus was a "known quantity", tough to beat, but easier to prepare for and both Dortmund and Real played the game they set out to play if you ask me.

Dortmund won somewhat comfortably with an inspired Andreas Moller. I remember thinking much went down to Paulo Sousa being a key player on the opposite side. Off the top of my head I can't think of another case of a CL winner being transfered out and beating his former team in the next final. Juve fans must have been gutted.

The 1998 final seemed to be played at a greater speed and intensity than I was used to. I was in awe of the phenomenal battle between Zidane-Davids-Deschamps and Seedorf-Redondo-Karembeu. Having witnessed such warfare, how could I not be bored to tears by ball-hogging tiki taka?

As in 1997, Juve got sucker punched, but I've no doubt both times that was exactly what the winners' plan and chances of success were pinned on.

Was it? I mean, the defense obviously was but their attack was too reliant on Massaro's getting divine inspiration and Savićević's somewhat streaky form.
With 90s Milan I think most, myself included, know there was the tasty Dutch Sacchi team and the resilient Italian Capello team, but we all somehow blur the lines and imagine one that was both simultaneously.
 
If you're talking about their recent podcast, if I remember correctly, the only team that fits their intentionally vague description is Milan.
I thought they were talking about that game against Juventus specifically and Europe in general at various periods during one of their shows/podcasts.
 
My shoddy memory says you are right, that it looked like the better team losing both times, but I think that was more down to expectations and personnel. In a way, Juventus was a "known quantity", tough to beat, but easier to prepare for and both Dortmund and Real played the game they set out to play if you ask me.

Dortmund won somewhat comfortably with an inspired Andreas Moller. I remember thinking much went down to Paulo Sousa being a key player on the opposite side. Off the top of my head I can't think of another case of a CL winner being transfered out and beating his former team in the next final. Juve fans must have been gutted.

The 1998 final seemed to be played at a greater speed and intensity than I was used to. I was in awe of the phenomenal battle between Zidane-Davids-Deschamps and Seedorf-Redondo-Karembeu. Having witnessed such warfare, how could I not be bored to tears by ball-hogging tiki taka?

As in 1997, Juve got sucker punched, but I've no doubt both times that was exactly what the winners' plan and chances of success were pinned on.


With 90s Milan I think most, myself included, know there was the tasty Dutch Sacchi team and the resilient Italian Capello team, but we all somehow blur the lines and imagine one that was both simultaneously.
They had an uncharacteristically bad night against dortmund and deservedly lost but while their bout against Madrid was close they were still the better team that night, Madrid's goal being offside didn't help matters either.
 
They had an uncharacteristically bad night against dortmund and deservedly lost but while their bout against Madrid was close they were still the better team that night, Madrid's goal being offside didn't help matters either.
Was Madrids goal in 1998 offside?

 
They were doped. Plus bought the refs. Moggi era.
 
Interestingly Zidane lost 2 CL finals with that Juve. He wasn't part of the 1996 side that won it against Ajax in the final. Lost in 1997 and 1998.

Then won it with Real in 2002.
 
Was Madrids goal in 1998 offside?




Probably, mijatovic was clearly in an offside position when he received the ball, it just comes down to whether the rules considered the deflection a qualifying factor or not which at the time I belive they didn't.
 
Does anyone know where to find images of Juve’s squad coats from around that time: white sheepskin interior and black leather exterior, long trench coat length.

It’s the most surreal thing I’ve seen a team wear.
 
They had an uncharacteristically bad night against dortmund and deservedly lost but while their bout against Madrid was close they were still the better team that night, Madrid's goal being offside didn't help matters either.
They were indeed. My point was, bad game or not, offside or not, both games panned out the way the other "inferior team" would have planned for given their relative strengths/weaknesses.

It's not a rarity, same happened with Barca and Mourinho's Inter. Nobody would argue the latter were the better team but, on the day, they executed their gameplan extremely well.

That's the parallel I'm drawing, they were games that maybe not nine out of ten, but four out of five times Juventus would have won.
 
Does anyone know where to find images of Juve’s squad coats from around that time: white sheepskin interior and black leather exterior, long trench coat length.

It’s the most surreal thing I’ve seen a team wear.

Think I remember Lippi wearing something like that, it was hardly this beaut?

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But honestly it couldn't be more surreal than a bunch of scousers in white suits.

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Was it? I mean, the defense obviously was but their attack was too reliant on Massaro's getting divine inspiration and Savićević's somewhat streaky form.

Yeah but that Juve team had a questionable relationship with PED's and avoiding referees they deemed as "unsympathetic".
 
Think I remember Lippi wearing something like that, it was hardly this beaut?

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But honestly it couldn't be more surreal than a bunch of scousers in white suits.

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Was white interior; I think it’s similar line to that Lippi one. It was surreal because wtf is a football team doing wearing something you see in a movie!? :lol:
 
Was it? I mean, the defense obviously was but their attack was too reliant on Massaro's getting divine inspiration and Savićević's somewhat streaky form.
It was certainly the most successful. Only double winner of the lot
 
Was white interior; I think it’s similar line to that Lippi one. It was surreal because wtf is a football team doing wearing something you see in a movie!? :lol:

More like an aviator style one?

It was the 90s and it was Juve, probably looked better than most of their other get up.
 
Was white interior; I think it’s similar line to that Lippi one. It was surreal because wtf is a football team doing wearing something you see in a movie!? :lol:
OG aura
 
Real Madrid was also doped in their 3 consecutive CL title run.

Sergio Ramos failed multiple doping tests, including right before the CL final in 2017, but was not punished because football.

In any serious sport that match would be turned to no contest but football is a joke when it comes to taking a stance against PEDs, there is no testing and no punishment either.

I'm convinced that every elite team in Europe is heavily doped, it wouldn't surprise me if every single team in the top 5 leagues has a doping program running, they have the money and it's practically impossible to get caught.

It's only a question of who has the better stuff and a better program.

Do you or anyone know the anti-doping protocol in the EPL or La Liga?
 
If only he could be as good as Klopp and win *checks notes*

1 European Final in 5 attempts.
It was a joke, mainly because of the "Klopp is crap as he lost two finals to Madrid" viewpoint.
 
My shoddy memory says you are right, that it looked like the better team losing both times, but I think that was more down to expectations and personnel. In a way, Juventus was a "known quantity", tough to beat, but easier to prepare for and both Dortmund and Real played the game they set out to play if you ask me.

Dortmund won somewhat comfortably with an inspired Andreas Moller. I remember thinking much went down to Paulo Sousa being a key player on the opposite side. Off the top of my head I can't think of another case of a CL winner being transfered out and beating his former team in the next final. Juve fans must have been gutted.

The 1998 final seemed to be played at a greater speed and intensity than I was used to. I was in awe of the phenomenal battle between Zidane-Davids-Deschamps and Seedorf-Redondo-Karembeu. Having witnessed such warfare, how could I not be bored to tears by ball-hogging tiki taka?

As in 1997, Juve got sucker punched, but I've no doubt both times that was exactly what the winners' plan and chances of success were pinned on.


With 90s Milan I think most, myself included, know there was the tasty Dutch Sacchi team and the resilient Italian Capello team, but we all somehow blur the lines and imagine one that was both simultaneously.
That 2 midfields! Wow :drool:
 
Oh yeah, definitely should have beat them, it's the main reason I still hate Dortmund so much, that fecker Heinrich was everywhere, at least I think it was him.

They had a decent team, but like Monaco and Porto later, Utd really should have beat them and made it to the final.
Yeah still gutted about that defeat. I think cole it was, could have had 3-4 goals at the end of the 2 legs (or so my memory tells me). On a random note - 3 matches from the 90’s which still irritate me, that two legged tie; that final match against West Ham we drew when Blackburn won the league (miklosko (sp?) having a blinder in goal) - if we had won we would have won the league & the 1-0 fa cup final defeat to Everton (ride out with the goal, wasn’t it?).