Marc Bartra

So you want to keep him then?

I was commenting on how Ballague didn't add anything new.

I'd like to see him stay and get a fair run of games, more so than Mathieu. He's inconsistent but one can put that down to the pecking order in front of him and how little scattered minutes he gets. As of now, and under Enrique, it's better for him to leave this summer.
 
What level? He's talented yes, but there are quite a few players performing at a higher and more consistent level than him in his position. Mustafi and Koulibaly aren't exactly hidden gems either.

Whether you think there are players of equal caliber out there, the point I was making is that he's attracting a lot of attention and players like that generally do so because big clubs see that they are world class or have the potential to be something special. We won't be getting Stones this summer and that is for certain, I also doubt we'll get anyone at the same level. Top class defenders would be very tough to prise away from big clubs and those at smaller clubs would be wise to wait before moving here.

Koulibaly has been mooted for Everton as a Stones replacement, he's a good player but already 24 and I, personally, don't think he'd be a huge leap over what we already have. Mustafi looks good (and was already at Everton wasn't he? There's some weird Everton link going on here) but there'll likely be competition for his signature if he leaves, and I don't think he'll hit the same heights as Stones although maybe I'll be proven wrong over time.

We could also go for Dragovic, but my point was that most of these are unknown quatities, the premier league is not the same as other leagues and there are no guarantees but Stones is already premier league proven and he's already looking like a future Terry or Rio level England player, the biggest clubs in the country (and some from elsewhere) will be going all out to get him, so we should look elsewhere as I don't imagine he'll want to join Louis Van Gaal's Europe-free army next year, sadly.
 
We have been talking about young CBs like Stones, Laporte, Marquinhos, etc. What about an experienced CB like Hummels or even Godin?
 
Whether you think there are players of equal caliber out there, the point I was making is that he's attracting a lot of attention and players like that generally do so because big clubs see that they are world class or have the potential to be something special. We won't be getting Stones this summer and that is for certain, I also doubt we'll get anyone at the same level. Top class defenders would be very tough to prise away from big clubs and those at smaller clubs would be wise to wait before moving here.

Koulibaly has been mooted for Everton as a Stones replacement, he's a good player but already 24 and I, personally, don't think he'd be a huge leap over what we already have. Mustafi looks good (and was already at Everton wasn't he? There's some weird Everton link going on here) but there'll likely be competition for his signature if he leaves, and I don't think he'll hit the same heights as Stones although maybe I'll be proven wrong over time.

We could also go for Dragovic, but my point was that most of these are unknown quatities, the premier league is not the same as other leagues and there are no guarantees but Stones is already premier league proven and he's already looking like a future Terry or Rio level England player, the biggest clubs in the country (and some from elsewhere) will be going all out to get him, so we should look elsewhere as I don't imagine he'll want to join Louis Van Gaal's Europe-free army next year, sadly.

I wasn't doubting his talent, but the way you dismiss Koulibaly's and Mustafi's ability in comparison doesn't make any sense. If Stones is Premier League proven, what are Mustafi and Koulibaly? Proven in different leagues and currently better players on top of that? And since when is 24 an age to turn down a centre back? Is that really too old for you? Also, if it's set in stone according to you that we won't be getting Stones, who should we be looking at, if Mustafi and Koulibaly aren't good enough in your opinion? Signing no one isn't exactly an option, considering we've had yet another injury crisis in defence.
 
I wasn't doubting his talent, but the way you dismiss Koulibaly's and Mustafi's ability in comparison doesn't make any sense. If Stones is Premier League proven, what are Mustafi and Koulibaly? Proven in different leagues and currently better players on top of that? And since when is 24 an age to turn down a centre back? Is that really too old for you? Also, if it's set in stone according to you that we won't be getting Stones, who should we be looking at, if Mustafi and Koulibaly aren't good enough in your opinion? Signing no one isn't exactly an option, considering we've had yet another injury crisis in defence.

Premier league proven does count for something but also, Stones is currently a better defender than the other two in my opinion and will be more highly sought after. Obviously 24 isn't old for a defender, but Stones will be world class by that age and playing for one of the best teams in the world, I'm pretty sure. I can't say that the other two will be at that level.

My original point was just to agree that we might be better off sticking with what we have, rather than spend big on a CB who may not improve us a lot. Sure, if we could get a Stones then we should, but we probably can't.

It might be best to concentrate on other areas of the pitch and improve our attacking options and midfield solidity and consider a defensive upgrade further into the future.
 
Premier league proven does count for something but also, Stones is currently a better defender than the other two in my opinion and will be more highly sought after.
He most certainly isn't, and you wouldn't be saying that if you'd seen the other two play this season.
 
Obviously I would, because I have. Stones will be better than them both by a distance and you can quote me on that.
Stones might become an absolute worldie in the future, sure, but to say that he's currently better than Koulibaly and Mustafi is inaccurate. He's still got a lot of flaws to iron over and he still makes rather unnecessary amateurish mistakes, something I haven't really seen Koulibaly do. I won't pretend to be an expert on Mustafi because I don't watch him every week but I do follow the serie A.
 
Stones might become an absolute worldie in the future, sure, but to say that he's currently better than Koulibaly and Mustafi is inaccurate. He's still got a lot of flaws to iron over and he still makes rather unnecessary amateurish mistakes, something I haven't really seen Koulibaly do. I won't pretend to be an expert on Mustafi because I don't watch him every week but I do follow the serie A.

Obviously I'm not an expert, but I'd say Koukibaly is, and will continue to be, a good defender, but I'd expect to see him at a Liverpool or Tottenham if he was in the premier league and I don't think he'd be a huge improvement for us. Admittedly, I've not seen him play in the last couple of months but that's how I saw him. Mustafi has potential but I expect that, if he does look like moving, Madrid or Barca will be in for him if he's looking like the real deal.

Stones is young and does have things to work on, but he's class and will really show it next year I reckon. He'd massively improve us (given time) but he'll not come here now.
 
Buyout clause now €8m. Worth a punt or is he well below our level now? He'll stay fit longer than Jones at least right?

 
He's obviously rubbish with a buyout clause that low.
 
Average player who'd be found out at every other club. Not that he wasn't found out at Barcelona. Phil Jones is a much better defender than him.
 
I've spoken to a journalist who watches a lot of Barcelona. He thinks Bartra is a very underrated and excellent defender. Not saying that makes it true or he is United first XI quality, but he could be a good punt for somebody
 
I've spoken to a journalist who watches a lot of Barcelona. He thinks Bartra is a very underrated and excellent defender. Not saying that makes it true or he is United first XI quality, but he could be a good punt for somebody

He's not excellent but he'd be a good punt for someone, just someone below your level.
 
Be worth a punt for a back up? Still sign a top centre back and sell Rojo
 
Don't want. Either this is a ploy to get a new contract and eventually raise his wages or he is not that good or wanted right now for Barca.

Even if he say joins us and then becomes a good defender in a couple of years, chances are Barca will want him back and he would start moaning about how he wants to go home.

So, no thanks.
 
Since when did we become a reject buying club? If he is not good enough for Barca, he isnt good enough for us, seeing as we aspire to be on the same level.
 
Seeing as how Barca are after Stones over Bartra it should be obvious who we should target this summer. Stones ought to take a look at Ter Stegen's displeasure at Camp Nou and stay away to join the club in a league he's familiar with, namely us.
 
He has joined Dortmund for €8m. Not a big risk but he's still a very average player.

I guess he's Subotic's replacement rather than Hummels. Not a bad deal for Dortmund as his resale value is probably always going to be decent, solely because he played for Barca for a few years and is from la masia. The other Spanish guy they signed a few months ago, Merino, is supposed to be quite the talent at CB also. So Dortmund getting some better depth into the side. They should have money to burn with the 65m from Gundogan and Hummels, and a return to the Champions League.
 
Seeing as how Barca are after Stones over Bartra it should be obvious who we should target this summer. Stones ought to take a look at Ter Stegen's displeasure at Camp Nou and stay away to join the club in a league he's familiar with, namely us.

Where did you see that? I have not heard any club official indicating towards Stones in recent past.
 
Weird transfer, surely he would expect to be a starter for Dortmund? I don't think he's good enough to start for a team with Dortmund's aspirations.
 
Far better than average, very underrated. Will be a great signing for Dortmund and many people will be proved wrong about him.
 
For 8 million, its a great signing for Dortmund. Young, fast, can play RB, and is very comfortable on the ball.