Manchester United ready to back José Mourinho with £100m-plus in January
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TLDR: Spending big does not yield a good return on investment, when it comes to getting prize money.
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Spending a billion (or large number), in one hit, is not going to happen. Our club drip feeds funds into player transfers. The idea is that we earn the money first, then spend it.
Winning more does indeed encourage players to want to join us, perhaps for a lower wage.
The issue here is that to win, costs a lot. If Jose was commanded to win us the league title, he'd probably request 2 transfer windows of £300M each. With that team, we should be expected to compete for the title.
So, if we assume that it will cost £600M spent in 1 year to win the title, a year or 2 later, what will be the return on this?
The return will definitely not be £600M. Probably £150M. This would mean a loss of £450M.
Even if you reduce the transfer spend (to win the title), by £100M, to £500M And increase the return by £100M, to £250M, you still end up with a loss of £250M. Still think that I have my sums wrong?
Okay, lets reduce the transfer spend in 2 years by another £100M, to £400M. So we are now saying that if we spend £200M in each of the next 2 transfer windows, we will compete for 1st place (which I don't think is probable). AND lets increase the revenue by £100M, to £350M (which is wildly optimistic). You will still end up with a loss of £50M!
Winning more does indeed encourage players to want to join us, perhaps for a lower wage.
The issue here is that to win, costs a lot. If Jose was commanded to win us the league title, he'd probably request 2 transfer windows of £300M each. With that team, we should be expected to compete for the title.
So, if we assume that it will cost £600M spent in 1 year to win the title, a year or 2 later, what will be the return on this?
The return will definitely not be £600M. Probably £150M. This would mean a loss of £450M.
Even if you reduce the transfer spend (to win the title), by £100M, to £500M And increase the return by £100M, to £250M, you still end up with a loss of £250M. Still think that I have my sums wrong?
Okay, lets reduce the transfer spend in 2 years by another £100M, to £400M. So we are now saying that if we spend £200M in each of the next 2 transfer windows, we will compete for 1st place (which I don't think is probable). AND lets increase the revenue by £100M, to £350M (which is wildly optimistic). You will still end up with a loss of £50M!
You will then argue, but we can save money on transfer spending, if we become a winning club. The estimates I gave above, assume that we spend big for 12 months. During this time, we are still a top 4 club, so don't quite have the attraction of a title winning team. So the transfer fees and wages will still be as high as ever.
You do state that, what if we spent £400M 7 years ago - well, £400M 7 years ago would've been huge, considering that the World record fee at the time was still £80M. Are you suggesting that in the space of say 12 months, we would have broken the existing world record a whopping 5 times!!! I realise that you'd like that to happen...me, too....but never in a million years is that going to happen.
The best way to keep the profit margin at its highest level, is to aim for top 4, while spending as little as possible on transfers and wages. Weirdly, Pochettino is probably the best manager available to achieve this and is one of the reasons why I do not want him hired. If he joins, he will basically keep us in the top 4, while spending very little, leaving the likes of LFC, MCFC and CFC, to win the league title. And he isn't the sort of manager to kick up a fuss, to force more money out of the club, to buy players, which could end up winning the title. The other major issue I have with him is that he is still learning how to play the big teams and for all his efforts he has won a grand total of zero trophies.
yet you have made no attempt to debunk that which is factually incorrect
Cue Woodward slabbering about trying to sign the best in the world but their clubs wouldn't sell them to us. Rinse and repeat.
Correct. Because it is beyond reprieve. To go point by point would be too embarrassing for the chap.
Please enlighten me as to how it doesn't hold any water? You're severely overrating our team if you feel it's capable of being in a title fight. Our squad was a mile off when SAF retired, we knew we needed to bridge the gap in terms of squad depth and we never did. We finished 19 points off City last season, how can you say we were more than capable of staying in a title fight as there just wasn't a title fight last season? You do know we play each of the 19 teams twice don't you? It means fluff all if you beat all 19 teams once and then fail/struggle to beat them a 2nd time.
I'm glad you got a laugh out of it as you just don't understand the mess the club is in, but hey we beat all 19 teams last season. Both, he's not tracking his midfield runners into the box when defending causing havoc and panic. However, he protects the defence well on occasion but he's just too slow to keep it a consistent thing.
But the poster didn't say that. He said we should be doing better against the smaller teams. Which is right. I've still not seen any explanation as to why not signing a centre half has meant that we look woeful against the majority of premier league teams.
Edit: just re read the post and see he does use the term 'title fight' further down. Apologies.
For several reasons why a new manager would make them better, the main two being the current players and the new manager are well matched stylistically and the players had down tools for the previous manager. We were 2nd as the teams around us didn't perform to their potential, we were lucky to get 2nd imo. You're telling me we finished 2nd but out manager is 'utter shite and has poor tactics', how can a manager who's that bad lead a team to 2nd place?
I'm confident we're doing everything to help the current crop to improve, it doesn't happen over night and the players have to have the right mentality to firstly realise where they're going wrong and secondly to accept that they need to improve.
Maybe our players have downed tools since they are all performing worst to a tee under Jose than previous managers. you kind of made my point for me. Also, which of our players are matched to Jose stylistically? Matic and Fellaini? We were 2nd because our GK saved 4/5 shots he faced and we have enough individual talent to get over the line. I mean we did spend 400 million on new players. What was the potential of the teams around us? Liverpool have never come 2nd or higher in years. Arsenal have been pretty rubbish for a while (conceding 10 goals in CL ties). Spurs are about par. Chelsea have been unpredictable for 6 years. I mean Hazard is quality and Kante but the rest are not worldies. Its only us that seem to need everything to be perfect and £100m player in every position to be competitive.
you are a very kind chap
Meh I'm more like a chap-ped lip. Irritating as anything, but worse if you pull it off. Best left alone or lubed up with some Vaseline heh
Our transfer policy is waste of money. It is like when you have 10y old car and one month you change something, then next month something else then something else...
Board must be clear here. First is Jose long term manager or not(by long term i mean 3 more years, not 7 or 10 or 15). Lets sell all players who are not good enough and raise some money. Then don't extend contracts with average players. And then spend big.
Board must be clear here. First is Jose long term manager or not(by long term i mean 3 more years, not 7 or 10 or 15). Lets sell all players who are not good enough and raise some money. Then don't extend contracts with average players. And then spend big.
He doesn't have to be worth 100 m was my point, which would held us back for fight of other crucial players as the club wont be able to afford it once you spend huge cash on one defender.
Oh come on, I have never said we shouldn't have improved our defense but that does not mean that's the reason for us languishing 8 th in the table struggling to qualify for Ucl which mourinho keeps on mentioning after we drop points in every game.
He wanted Lukaku, fred, Pogba, Ibra, Bailly, Lindelof, Matic Sanchez we got him everyone of those players who are performing absolutely nowhere to level they should be performing under him, what makes you think adding a defender would have completely changed our fortunes? Mourinho isn't responsible for the 8th place we are languishing in instead of being involved in title race?
What points are factually incorrect by he way?
I don't think our targets would cost much less than 100m anyway. Koulibaly, Skriniar or De Ligt. They'd cost bucks anyway
It's waste of resources I belive, sacking him and getting the best out of current lot seem cheaper than 100m.
We can do both, we need to upgrade, no harm done upgrading the squad well, even with Jose on his last legs. I'd rather get some quality in, even if we don't see the best of them till next season.
Crikey, saw your other posts on a different thread. Not going in circles in the clown car with you mate, sorry.
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The last two games don't suggest that, plus we have an even bigger game away at Anfield Sunday too. Well he signed Linelof, Bailly and Dalot which are defenders so there's those players. If you're keeper is having to make that many saves, your defence isn't doing it's job. Liverpool are going to push City all the way this season, they had a CL Final to prepare for last season so they have much more potential than us at the moment. Chelsea looked strong at the start of the season and have just beaten and not conceded against a record breaking City team, Arsenal have just beaten a good Spurs side 4-2 at home followed by a 2-2 draw against us, two great results, we haven't beat any of the others out of the top 6 yet. I haven't said we need to spend £100m in every position, but we do need to improve our team/squad as it's severely lacking in most parts.
It's your Def mid that's not doing its job.
Well I don't mind to be proven wrong.
We need to keep throwing money at top players. Eventually one will stick and we'll hit it big time. I'm not even kidding. We need to get a monster defender and destroyer of a midfielder then play Martial upfront.
----------Rashforf---Martial------
------------------Mata--------------
---Shaw------Pogba--Destroyer----Dalot--------
This front could work
----------Rashforf---Martial------
------------------Mata--------------
---Shaw------Pogba--Destroyer----Dalot--------
This front could work
What a trainwreck of a post.
So let's just replace Matic and we're winning the league.
And again with what we need to unleash Pogba. Just ignore that he's part of the problem.
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What do you think that team could acheive?
What a trainwreck of a post.
So let's just replace Matic and we're winning the league.
I can't help if that's what conclusion is drawn from the post.
Yeah cos giving mourinho loads of money to spend had been great for us so far
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Yeah cos giving mourinho loads of money to spend had been great for us so far
Firstly l want to stipulate that I'm now abroad the Mourinho must go train but l think all of Jose's signings have been good (Bailly, Zlatan, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic, Alexis Sanchez, Dalot & Fred) he may
have fallen out with some of them and doesn't know to get the best out of the others, is on Mourinho. Our team is underperforming a more progressive manager would get more out this team.
How is he part of the problem again? Is it because he doesn't work hard? If that's the case (which I agree he doesn't work hard), why would we try to use Matic and Fellaini with him? Those guys aren't all that mobile, aren't great at passing, and aren't some defensive wizards.
So the solution is to cater to slow Matic by providing him someone who can mitigate his immobility?
I don’t think we require too much tinkering really. The players have down tools for Mourinho in some respect and he just isn’t getting the best out of his resources
We need balance in attack with a RW, I want Sancho but can’t see that happening for less than £100m.
Koulibaly or Toby for CB, then a first team RB.
Once we get that sorted I would replace Lukaku, just not the type of striker I like to see in my team, preferably I’d like one who can control the ball. He’s need to lose that muscle mass that has ruined his agility and pace.
We need balance in attack with a RW, I want Sancho but can’t see that happening for less than £100m.
Koulibaly or Toby for CB, then a first team RB.
Once we get that sorted I would replace Lukaku, just not the type of striker I like to see in my team, preferably I’d like one who can control the ball. He’s need to lose that muscle mass that has ruined his agility and pace.
I'd be surprised if Spurs sell Toby in January unless silly money is offered, because that would leave us with only 3 recognised CBs, two of which are currently out injured
Yes, we'd only get £25m in the summer, but we have the CL knockout stages to contend with now, not to mention the league and domestic cups.
Mata is not good enough for the first XI unless we are playing home to Fulham.
We need Tanguy, Sancho and Toby but I doubt any of them will be available in January.
That Serbian kid at Fiorentina would probably be available, Nikola Milenkovic, but Jose has zero interest in developing young players if he can avoid it.
You're basically saying that Matic is the only problem. Yeah he's also part of the problem, but there is so much more disfunction in this team, that's not easy to solve.
That attack is midtable level. Martial is the only one that might be able to pull his weight there.
I didn't say we should use Matic and Fellaini with him. They are also part of the problem. But we just don't have the world clas players to put around him like he had elsewhere. Suddenly, Fred and Herrera/Perreira are the answer, and that's basically only because they're more technical and not tall. That's just wishful thinking.
People keep going with this line of thinking, that there is just one change around Pogba that needs to be made and we're suddenly champions. Or that Mourinho just needs to go and we're great again. When in fact, it will probably take a long time to fix everything that's wrong with this team.
Back him with 500 mil GBP - it will either make us champions of CL or idiots , but lets see , I am in for the try
Or better, We can be the champions of idiots. We need to buy Neymar and play him as an inverted left fullback who shoots and passes with his right foot.
Cause money grows on trees.
We are the champions of idiots right now , spending for players who dont give us anything , lets give it a last try
The thing is that the £100.000.000 will be used to replace his own signings
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