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Man Utd's REAL Problem: Discuss.
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How the hell is it Fergies fault? The players are out on the field to do a job and the fact of the matter is, the player's just did not perform to their capabilitys and maybe they wanted the little bit more.On another note a plus point from last nights game was Forlan he played very well last night and deserved a goal.
Originally posted by lchk:
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And not strengthen the defence?</strong><hr></blockquote>
He thought that leaving everything unchanged we will somehow suddenly become better and then win the treble next season.
Seriously speaking, when everyone is improving and only you stand still, you definitely will be left behind. We spent a lot to bring in Yorke, Stam and Blomqvist after we won nothing in 98. After that, everyone know what happened in 99. I sincerely believe that some major signing MUST be made this summer if we want to maintain any hope to challenge for trophies next season.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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He thought that leaving everything unchanged we will somehow suddenly become better and then win the treble next season.
Seriously speaking, when everyone is improving and only you stand still, you definitely will be left behind. We spent a lot to bring in Yorke, Stam and Blomqvist after we won nothing in 98. After that, everyone know what happened in 99. I sincerely believe that some major signing MUST be made this summer if we want to maintain any hope to challenge for trophies next season.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I won't even mind not having a major signing
At least a couple of good defensive bargains would suit me fine
I really think everyone is overstating the magnitude of our failure to win the European cup. People keep talking about the treble winning side but seem to forget we had an amazing amount of luck to win it then. Christ, we were lucky as feck to come out of the Inter game at OT at 2-0, when it could so easily have been 2-2. We were lucky as feck to come out of the Juve game at home at 1-1 when they had so many chances to make it more, and I don't even need to mention the final (but I will anyway). Totally dicked on for 90 minutes and then score two. The simple fact is if you're going to win the thing you need luck, and as Fergie put it (and rightly so) we were a whisker away and luck didn't go our way. Real have bought a dream team and look like they're not even going to win their own league. That's football, and being overly philosophical is simply going over the top. I'm not saying we're a perfect team bal bla bla, as I know we need improvements. But some of the posts about selling eveyone except for 6 players is silly to the say the least. The EC was lost because we were unlucky and didn't get the rub of the green, unlike 99. The league was lost because of losses at home that should never have been i.e. West Ham, Bolton, Middlesborough. They came about through a combination of Fergie resting too many players and dips in form for too many of our players at once.
Jesus. There is very little to complain about with your team.
For feck sake, you lot who are moaning are complete fecking idiots. Unfeckingbelievable. United have won everything in site and you cnuts are whinging.
For feck sake, you lot who are moaning are complete fecking idiots. Unfeckingbelievable. United have won everything in site and you cnuts are whinging.
Originally posted by Lanesra:
<strong>Jesus. There is very little to complain about with your team.
For feck sake, you lot who are moaning are complete fecking idiots. Unfeckingbelievable. United have won everything in site and you cnuts are moaning.
innit...
they're spoilt bastards.
Giggzy you sound just like Barca99.
The irony.
The irony.
Where can we get a better GK. We lost the match because Barthez was off his line and not tall enough. This would have been an easy save for RC. It was not a brilliant goal. Stop blaming the defense. FB should have dealt with that shot. It easy to look good behind 4 brilliant French defenders. Is there another great Dane out there with BMT.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> C'mon then Elfie. What do you have to say about that ?
We have lost the art of counter-attacking in European games - remember 2 or 3 passes played at pace and with movement and in the net. Liverpool always drop a striker on the right or left wing because strikers are fast and direct. They scored plenty this way. I am not saying Utd should play like Liverpool because I love the way Utd play when we are on song
BUT if we insist on 4-5-1 then our strikers have to be more mobile and less central. Our midfielders also have to be willing to change their position and be more fluid. Too often this season we have looked flat-footed, passing plenty of the ball in the middle but going nowhere. If Alex gets this right we will be unbeatable (OK less beatable but I can dream, cant I?).
BUT if we insist on 4-5-1 then our strikers have to be more mobile and less central. Our midfielders also have to be willing to change their position and be more fluid. Too often this season we have looked flat-footed, passing plenty of the ball in the middle but going nowhere. If Alex gets this right we will be unbeatable (OK less beatable but I can dream, cant I?).
Originally posted by Due South:
<strong>Where can we get a better GK. We lost the match because Barthez was off his line and not tall enough. This would have been an easy save for RC. It was not a brilliant goal. Stop blaming the defense. FB should have dealt with that shot. It easy to look good behind 4 brilliant French defenders. Is there another great Dane out there with BMT.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Disagree about that goal in particular. Agree about Barthez being a bit iffy which doesn't help with an iffy defense.
Somewhere else I mentioned Cordoba. I think he is top class, double-winner of the Copa Libertadores with Boca and winner of the last Copa America in Colombia where Colombia didn't get a single goal in throughout the tournament. He is quality.
Currently on loan to Perugia because Boca could not afford his wages. Could come for less than Taibi did!
Originally posted by Lanesra:
<strong>Jesus. There is very little to complain about with your team.
For feck sake, you lot who are moaning are complete fecking idiots. Unfeckingbelievable. United have won everything in site and you cnuts are whinging.
Most people would agree with your first statement.
But moaning? Maybe it can be interpreted as such - but it's end of season analysis.
Imo we need to strengthen the defence, and play an attacking formation, at least at home.
Is that moaning?
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Giggzy you sound just like Barca99.
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nowt wrong with that my friend....
We lost because we were outplayed (slightly) over two legs. Pure and simple.
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>We lost because we were outplayed (slightly) over two legs. Pure and simple.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you think we shouldn't change anything in the summer (if Blanc stay), but then under everything unchanged will we suddenly become able to outplay them next season?
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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So you think we shouldn't change anything in the summer (if Blanc stay), but then under everything unchanged will we suddenly become able to outplay them next season?
I reckon we will, since they're losing Ballack.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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So you think we shouldn't change anything in the summer (if Blanc stay), but then under everything unchanged will we suddenly become able to outplay them next season?
Absolutely. Look at the stark difference between our first two games against Deportivo and our last two. The entire team settled down and began to gain confidence between those four matches.
Once a red always a red. Man United for ever, through the good times and the bad times. We just have a defence of a middle table club and the attack of world beaters. Make what you will of that.The statistics prove me correct. We bu one or 2 world class defenders and we are laughing. Someone like Lucio from Leverkusen would be a great buy. Also Ze Roberto. Let's see what signings we make pre-season.
United for EVER.
United for EVER.
The tactical error in the second game was not to go for 4-4-2 and risk a high-scoring encounter. (Big Ron also said a week ago we needed to commit our forward players and go for goals).
As many have said on this site, we weren't actually beaten, but given the away goals from the first leg the chances of us going through after a low-scoring game were poor. Better to go into the game with the attitude that we would need to score at least two and maybe three...Ole and Ruud together had earned the right to take the field chasing that target.
As many have said on this site, we weren't actually beaten, but given the away goals from the first leg the chances of us going through after a low-scoring game were poor. Better to go into the game with the attitude that we would need to score at least two and maybe three...Ole and Ruud together had earned the right to take the field chasing that target.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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i can remember everyone saying Fergie's lost the plot after only two months into the season.... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
fickle bastards.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So what? Although I was not the one who say Fergie lose the plot in early season, seeing how we spent 50m and won nothing, losing nearly 25% of the league matches this season, people said Fergie lost the plot have more true than people said Fergie was god and should not be critized.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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people said Fergie lost the plot have more true than people said Fergie was god and should not be critized.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
aye, they were right...yep, it looked like he lost the plot, in a mere few weeks, after a decade of success...
'kin muppets. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
There are 2 kinds of fans that should try to take it easy sometimes.
The glory hunters who bash the team at the merest sign of failure.
The blind faithful who will never see the bad side and slam those who do.
Mortal enemies I reckon.
I'm a football analyst and I love to analyse Man Utd because I know them better than I know any other team.
I once said I was annoyed at our our Welsh genius for not trying his best and people slammed me. Turns out I was right, but it wasnt his fault - it was Fergie telling him to take it easy to protect his hamstring. I dont expect him to play perfect every game, but I saw him holding back so I say so. I'm not blind.
This season has hurt more than most. Because we are the best club in Europe, with the best set of young players coming together that I have ever seen. But I am annoyed because we aren't the best team in England nevermind Europe. This season we have been truly surpassed. We cant blame it on luck or have anymore excuses - we've been beaten too many times for that. Losing out isnt what hurts though. When Arsenal won the double - we played ok and we lost - thats life.
What hurts most of all is that I dont feel like I'm watching Man Utd anymore. Sometimes yes, but most times - no. One thing that seperated us from Europes elite was our verve and our team spirit, we had a style that wasnt typical English yet it wasn't continental. Unfortunately that has evolved toward the continental mentality and we've lost some bite. I hate it when people deny this cos it belittles the performances of '99.
Anyone disagreeing with me should go and ask Keane. Is he happy with the season? Hell no. So why should I sit here and say "Well, it wasnt that bad, we're a better team than we were in '99". Or "We're as good as...".
Anyone else disagrees should go watch the videos of '99 and of years gone by and compare it to this year. The players play as individuals now. Fantastic individuals at that which creates some great moments, but a great team is what comes first. If we played the old way and had Ruud instead of Cole/Yorke - we'd be unstoppable.
Go and watch the actual game of football, not just Man Utd but other teams too. You will see a sense of purpose that is missing far too often at OT these past 3 seasons.
The glory hunters who bash the team at the merest sign of failure.
The blind faithful who will never see the bad side and slam those who do.
Mortal enemies I reckon.
I'm a football analyst and I love to analyse Man Utd because I know them better than I know any other team.
I once said I was annoyed at our our Welsh genius for not trying his best and people slammed me. Turns out I was right, but it wasnt his fault - it was Fergie telling him to take it easy to protect his hamstring. I dont expect him to play perfect every game, but I saw him holding back so I say so. I'm not blind.
This season has hurt more than most. Because we are the best club in Europe, with the best set of young players coming together that I have ever seen. But I am annoyed because we aren't the best team in England nevermind Europe. This season we have been truly surpassed. We cant blame it on luck or have anymore excuses - we've been beaten too many times for that. Losing out isnt what hurts though. When Arsenal won the double - we played ok and we lost - thats life.
What hurts most of all is that I dont feel like I'm watching Man Utd anymore. Sometimes yes, but most times - no. One thing that seperated us from Europes elite was our verve and our team spirit, we had a style that wasnt typical English yet it wasn't continental. Unfortunately that has evolved toward the continental mentality and we've lost some bite. I hate it when people deny this cos it belittles the performances of '99.
Anyone disagreeing with me should go and ask Keane. Is he happy with the season? Hell no. So why should I sit here and say "Well, it wasnt that bad, we're a better team than we were in '99". Or "We're as good as...".
Anyone else disagrees should go watch the videos of '99 and of years gone by and compare it to this year. The players play as individuals now. Fantastic individuals at that which creates some great moments, but a great team is what comes first. If we played the old way and had Ruud instead of Cole/Yorke - we'd be unstoppable.
Go and watch the actual game of football, not just Man Utd but other teams too. You will see a sense of purpose that is missing far too often at OT these past 3 seasons.
OK I realise I was quite harsh saying that they didnt try. Of course they tried.
I realise I'm being an wanker for criticising our beloved team and players and am being a spoilt brat.
But thats not how I really feel. I dont mind a bad game. When Giggs misplaces his through pass - too bad. Its not an easy thing to do. When Barthez blundered - its understandable.
But when our players find it beyond their abilities to close down the opposition, be it Ipswich or Real Madrid - I get pissed off. When you see two players leaving it for each other time after time after time. Short passes that are played TOO short - always happens. WHY?
Basically, before we concentrate on intricate passing moves and multimillion pound superstars - we need to get the basics right. The attitude, the killer intinct etc. They're alone worth £50 million in my book.
I realise I'm being an wanker for criticising our beloved team and players and am being a spoilt brat.
But thats not how I really feel. I dont mind a bad game. When Giggs misplaces his through pass - too bad. Its not an easy thing to do. When Barthez blundered - its understandable.
But when our players find it beyond their abilities to close down the opposition, be it Ipswich or Real Madrid - I get pissed off. When you see two players leaving it for each other time after time after time. Short passes that are played TOO short - always happens. WHY?
Basically, before we concentrate on intricate passing moves and multimillion pound superstars - we need to get the basics right. The attitude, the killer intinct etc. They're alone worth £50 million in my book.
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>There are 2 kinds of fans that should try to take it easy sometimes.
The glory hunters who bash the team at the merest sign of failure.
The blind faithful who will never see the bad side and slam those who do.
Mortal enemies I reckon.
I'm a football analyst and I love to analyse Man Utd because I know them better than I know any other team.
I once said I was annoyed at our our Welsh genius for not trying his best and people slammed me. Turns out I was right, but it wasnt his fault - it was Fergie telling him to take it easy to protect his hamstring. I dont expect him to play perfect every game, but I saw him holding back so I say so. I'm not blind.
This season has hurt more than most. Because we are the best club in Europe, with the best set of young players coming together that I have ever seen. But I am annoyed because we aren't the best team in England nevermind Europe. This season we have been truly surpassed. We cant blame it on luck or have anymore excuses - we've been beaten too many times for that. Losing out isnt what hurts though. When Arsenal won the double - we played ok and we lost - thats life.
What hurts most of all is that I dont feel like I'm watching Man Utd anymore. Sometimes yes, but most times - no. One thing that seperated us from Europes elite was our verve and our team spirit, we had a style that wasnt typical English yet it wasn't continental. Unfortunately that has evolved toward the continental mentality and we've lost some bite. I hate it when people deny this cos it belittles the performances of '99.
Anyone disagreeing with me should go and ask Keane. Is he happy with the season? Hell no. So why should I sit here and say "Well, it wasnt that bad, we're a better team than we were in '99". Or "We're as good as...".
Anyone else disagrees should go watch the videos of '99 and of years gone by and compare it to this year. The players play as individuals now. Fantastic individuals at that which creates some great moments, but a great team is what comes first. If we played the old way and had Ruud instead of Cole/Yorke - we'd be unstoppable.
Go and watch the actual game of football, not just Man Utd but other teams too. You will see a sense of purpose that is missing far too often at OT these past 3 seasons.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I reckon either murt or sarah will give you a hiding on this one - just a matter of time