Man jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on twitter
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The trans women example is a tough one, but if pushed to provide an answer, I'd say it was ignorance rather than hate speech? But again, it depends entirely on the context of the comment, the intent behind it.
The retard comment is a little more straightforward. Your grandad referring to mentally handicapped people as retards was commonly accepted in his time, no? To him, he's calling a spade a spade I guess. Not overly PC, perhaps, but it's doubtful there is ill-intent there.
They've come up with all manner of "solutions" to the problem, and not one of them has been successful. Kick it out, Black Lives Matter, Say No to Online Hate and the numerous other campaigns designed to battle online hate over the years just didn't have the impact required. It didn't even make a dent. Hate speech is more prevalent today than ever because the idiots swiftly discovered that their actions, no matter how harmful, came entirely without consequence. You can say whatever you like on Twitter and won't even get banned. Something had to be done. Jail time, while it does seem excessive, is basically the last resort. If the threat of going to prison doesn't stop them then nothing will.
A good example that.
It's a start.
This made me chuckle. I was about to steam in and then clocked the WT. Very good.
Quality control
I don't think jail is the right move. A fine and community service would've been more than enough. Seen as though they are jailing people I suppose they'll go after Africans/Muslims when United or other football clubs post anything about pride and they leave hateful, abusive and derogatory comments too.
Seriously next time a team posts anything in support of pride watch the Africans/Muslims and the abusive shit storm they bring. These are ones that live in the UK too so there's no reason they can't go arrest them if that's the road the police are going down.....won't hold my breath though.
Seriously next time a team posts anything in support of pride watch the Africans/Muslims and the abusive shit storm they bring. These are ones that live in the UK too so there's no reason they can't go arrest them if that's the road the police are going down.....won't hold my breath though.
Problem is when uou ostracized or calling out a racist. Very seldom they realized they're wrong
Most would resent and cultivate their hate even more. Just more closed about it but the hate itself isnt there.
The society hasnt been so kind to racist. Rightly so but it also a two edged knife.
We should educate why humans are created equal. Insteal of hitting them with a bigger stick
We should not be racist because it has consequences. But because we believe eveyrone is equal.
The current mechanism vs racist only emphasizes on penalty
The jailed kids would have 50/50 chances. Either he repent or he become more rooted in his hate for colored people because in his eyes they're the cause of their misery. Again in his view theyre the good guys.
I thought this thread would just have posts praising the sentencing.
Did you join the Caf only recently?
Just for saying you’re English?
Please tell me this isn't a serious post???
I don't think he is trying to argue that, but referring to your using a racial / cultural stereotype in a blunt and generalizing way, instead of just pointing to -persons- being abusive to gay people
Of course it isn't okay. Who said it was?
Im really not generalising The proof is right there just type in United pride tweet then read the replies from Africans and Arabs. It's Not just one or 2 replies it's hundreds every single one of them leave hateful comments or nasty gifs.
All my point was if you are going to start imposing prison sentences for racial abuse online then that needs to go for everything.
You've confused me with someone else.
So you don't think racial abuse deserves such a harsh sentence because other ethnicities/races might engage in similar race hatred/bigotry, that in the scenario in your head might not get similarly punished.
That is a very long and probably imaginary bow you draw there. Not to mention involving significant racial/ethnic stereotyping.
Basically you post is a car crash into a dumpster fire.
The worst decision ever... They are putting a bare, that they could handle. So in the end it will be a unfair decision.
I agree with the sentiment, that's why I'm always leaning towards giving people a second chance for racism, but the problem is most racists hang out with other racists, have conversations among one another, it's hard to break in with some knowledge in an echo-chamber of ignorance and hate. But I definitely think things like cancel culture are a detriment more than anything because it marginalizes those people who form a stronger group among one another and we're now in that period of time where, in my country at least (USA), you're basically living in two different realities depending on which political affiliation you're associated with.
Oh damn, I bet the Arabs and us Africans are sweating at the thought of the law being applied equally
Dont tar the world with the same brush. The UK has their own sets of racist as well.
And you dont actually police anything as of today. One simple example doesnt mean there's real policing yet.
If we start seeing reduced racist and people getting sentenced then maybe
I said nothing of the sort.
That's abhorrent too.
But what's also abhorrent is the way you are singling out race as the issue here (clue: its culture and history not race) and the language you are using.
It's racist in itself and you are being demeaning.
This thread needs burning to the ground.
I'll never understand why fairly onerous and intense community service isn't used instead of incarceration in non-violent situations like this.
So this guy is a racist, but his thought pattern, which is probably not dissimilar to how most cops think, illustrates how this sort of criminal sentence, when you look back in a few years, will prove to ultimately be yet another tool to disproportionately incarcerate non-white people at a higher rate. I don't really see any reason why online spaces will be different though I suppose they could be even worse in terms of over-policing minorities, or an improvement.
So Rashford actually file a report to have him charged?
I don’t know man, maybe I have too much faith but it seems like a very simple topic.
It doesn't work like that in the UK. The Crown Prosecution Service decides if it's in the public interest and there's enough evidence to pursue charges against a suspect.
Sounds like it was a kid that did it and the sentence is right imo as a warning to be mature and take things like this seriously rather then treat social media messages like a joke that does not affect people.
More of this needs to happen as I think most are send by kids that do not understand the effect this behaviour can have on people.
It’s probably more likely that they don’t agree with how the distinction is defined. A line can be drawn between free speech and hate speech but in the end it’s always going to be arbitrary, therefore people aren’t all going to agree.