I forgot he existed. I loath city and hope they get dumped out the champions league.
Man City 2020/21 - General discussion
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Everton have done a great job wasting money. If they had bought better they'd have better players on the bench. One of their expensive recent signings is out on loan.
Boring, and extremely sad that it has been allowed to get like this. They will be the ruin of the PL.
I fear it is their year to win it finally. The moment the ban got overturned, it was bound to happen that they will win it.
They look better as a collective than they have any right to be, because they're being coached by Guardiola.
On the flip side, we have some really great players who don't necessarily shine with the system Solskjaer plays. Some managers maximize the value of the team they have while others don't quite have the same ability to do the same.
City's squad would not be lauded if anyone other than Pep were coaching them. Becuase they wouldn't look as good.
Couldn't you apply the same to Van de Beek, then?
They have very good players but they aren't exactly filled to the brim with top class players. Outside of KDB they don't have a top 10 player in the world. They are being made to look better by the competition they're facing.
They're got tons of absolute top quality players all through the squad.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone else try and argue they don't have much quality.
That’s a poor comparison when you look at the difference in squad depth between the two sides.
There is no element of risk for City. They can freshen up their squad at a quicker rate than the chasing pack.
They've got a good system in place though, years of planning.
He's been injured since Christmas. Just coming back now. Also missed most of November through injury as well.
I laugh every time this comes up. As if Uniteds utter failure somehow equalises the other 90 teams in England. And even then its not true, there's still about 160m between the clubs which is a Haaland. And for some reason people choose January 2014 as the time to start counting.
Its become embarrassing for English football. Forget United and their shit running, give city credit for spending 1.2 billion well. And then get on to discussing how Everton had any real chance of beating them. Or moenchengladbach or dortmund. They've essentially made one of 3 long standing domestic trophies absolutely useless 0
You are judging the finished product that Pep has made out of them, do yes they all look like being top quality. But before being coached by Pep, how many of these players were playing at this level or were top 5 or even top 10 in their various positions order than KDB and maybe (arguably) Aguero?
Even KDB and Aguero have improved greatly with Pep and have both had their best seasons with him.
Just wait until they get Haaland, things are about to become even worse.
They have a £50m player in every single position all through the squad.
I'm not saying guardiola isn't a top manager, but the advantages city have now are just so huge it's difficult to know what other teams can do.
Especially in this lockdown season with so many games in such a short period of time.
Exactly. Guardiola has a net spend of less than 60 million more than us since he joined and the difference is night and day. FFs they are playing Zinchenko at left back and they got 100 points with Delph as a starting LB. Klopp even said we were like Disney Land when we approached him. Unreal how badly the club has been run. The difference in spending between City and the teams in the league is less than Mou's Chlesea and the league back then.
Absolutely hilarious seeing @SER19 come in here these days crying about Citys depth. Yet back in October he posted in this thread saying Guardiola's recruitment had been terrible.
In the space of 6 months its went from bad signings to top players throughout the squad.
City and the likes of Cancelo, Stones, Rodri, Jesus, Gundogan and so on have been slated on here even this season. Now its a squad of 30 world class players. Fernandinho was past it as well...
In the space of 6 months its went from bad signings to top players throughout the squad.
City and the likes of Cancelo, Stones, Rodri, Jesus, Gundogan and so on have been slated on here even this season. Now its a squad of 30 world class players. Fernandinho was past it as well...
This is getting out of hand really. This user is relentlessly WUMing this thread since the start of the season
is he even human or just some random software spilling the same rubbish over and over again ? 
This is getting out of hand really. This user is relentlessly WUMing this thread since the start of the season
Why is this wumming? Did you see the 2 benches tonight?
Absolutely hilarious seeing @SER19 come in here these days crying about Citys depth. Yet back in October he posted in this thread saying Guardiola's recruitment had been terrible.
In the space of 6 months its went from bad signings to top players throughout the squad.
City and the likes of Cancelo, Stones, Rodri, Jesus, Gundogan and so on have been slated on here even this season. Now its a squad of 30 world class players. Fernandinho was past it as well...
There's no contradiction here. He's bought and bought until he got it right. He's bought plenty of rubbish but it doesn't matter
Absolutely hilarious seeing @SER19 come in here these days crying about Citys depth. Yet back in October he posted in this thread saying Guardiola's recruitment had been terrible.
In the space of 6 months its went from bad signings to top players throughout the squad.
City and the likes of Cancelo, Stones, Rodri, Jesus, Gundogan and so on have been slated on here even thos season. Now its a squad of 30 world class players. Fernandinho was past it as well...
Laughable. People were saying the squad was past it at the start of the season
Sometimes you can only shake your head. Today I learnt that Zinchenko is a world class left back.
How can you have terrible recruitment and have a squad with 22 world class players....
I just went back and read the first 10 pages of this thread.
You'd be forgiven for thinking City's squad was crap, judging by general consensus first quarter of the season.
You'd be forgiven for thinking City's squad was crap, judging by general consensus first quarter of the season.
That’s my fear. It should have been regulated years and years ago. Now, not only do we have to watch a boring team dominate, but we have to listen to their fans try to tell us it was all done above board and they have the letter from CAS to prove it.
Well he spent 200m+ on this
Ake
Angelino
Danilo
Mendy
Bravo
Nolito
Sane
That's off top of my head. Being able to piss away 200m helps your recruitment options
What's funny is that its there more cheaper, less quality options that have created their depths.
Foden (free): A player many thought should leave City as Pep wouldn't give him any mins yet he is top 10 players with most minutes in the team and has been a great depth option for them
Gundogan (24m): A player that was on the market for everyone no one wanted to take the gamble, City did first few years he was a great depth/rotation options, now he's one of the best midfielders in the world
Zinchenko (2m): He's been benching 2 50/60m fullbacks has started many big games and isn't even a traditional FB
Jesus (28m): A player many people on this forum don't even rate he's contributed to 110 G+A IN 185 games for City
^Those are the players mainly benching Mahrez/Sterling/KdB/Aguero/Silva
There most expensive options that have provided depths are:
Laporte (60m): With Stones ressurengent he's fallen behind the pecking order, but obviously a great luxury off the bench
Silva (40m): Brilliant player who deserve to be starter here or somewhere else, but he's provided much needed quality
More or less I've really been surprised and impressed by Zinchenko level tbh
And recouped about £120 when players left and two of the players who cost £90m between them are still at the club
Ake has been injured, Mendy has been injured and they haven't had a regular lb in his tenure. Danilo wanted to leave, Nolito wanted to leave and Sane wanted to leave. Angelino was bought to be sold by City.
So apart from Bravo, which one of them was poor given the way the players played before signing?
He still had it to waste.... And having 2 flops on the books isn't exactly mitigating
Think the quadruple will only be stopped by Bayern. The domestic treble is theirs again i'm afraid.
They've all been poor signings that he freely upgraded on and will upgrade on what's left. Not a single good signing there
Absolutely it is a joke, but whose job is it to stop them? It is Manchester United's!
We should have stepped our game up in every area when City were bought. Instead we stagnated, which in any sport means we went backwards. We are behind them in facilities, training, management, purchasing, squad. In every area I can think of.
It should have been a case that we have 2 of the worlds best teams duking it out every season, making every competition better. Instead it's one of the best run clubs in the world, who got there in only a few short years with a clear vision against a club that completely relies on their past glories. How long before we don't have a single league winner in the squad?
We have to remember it is our job to stop Manchester City. We will not do that until our great club is owned by its fans and not a business.
And the books have been balanced so what's the issue
Are you generally saying Sane was a bad signing?
Let me ask you this, who's their second best player? And that player, where would you rank him in a top players list. Top 10? Top 20?
Man city's books have not been balanced.
Anyway i was pointing out that his recruitment can be poor and still have s better stocked squad than any in the world.
You don't have to agree, and can put me on mute if it troubles you. Its just my opinion
How were they poor? In what sense? Again apart from Bravo how have any of them been poor? All of them wanted to leave. Danilo was benching Walker so is Walker poor? I thought the team was filled with 22 WC players or did Walker suddenly become WC when Danilo left?
why do you keep saying they wanted to leave as if that means they weren't crap signings that were bought for too much and delivered too little. Its like saying di Maria wasn't a shocking waste of money. Feck it, sanchez wanted to leave too, let's chalk him up as a decent punt It doesn't trouble me, it seemed to me on what you're posting on a basis when city are playing that they're a club living in your head rent free
To be fair, Ake has been done with injuries. You cannot call him a flop if he has had like 3 starts this season which is his first in city. I don’t think Angelina cost them anything. Isn’t he one of their youth products? Danilo asked to leave and got replaced by Cancelo but was an okay back up to Walker before he left. Mendy was actually very good but got done by injury after injury. He has played an average of maybe like 10 games per season since he came to England largely because of injuries. Nolito asked to leave because he missed Spain so much and Sane brought the premier league in its knees largely. He wasn’t a flop even though Bayern did a smart one to poach him away.
The one I’ll give you is Bravo. He was truly a flop but calling the rest flops is stretching it a bit.
You don't need to have 7 or 8 players in the top 10 in the world to have a great squad. I'm not saying Guardiola is a shit manager or a fraud or anything like that, but I just 100% disagree with City " not having much quality".
They've got a squad of what ? 20 25 quality players?
Look at the Everton bench tonight compared to theirs.
Even we're having to play the likes of Dan James or a clearly knackered and injured Rashford.
Sterling's been in poor form so they can afford to just drop him. If one of our top players is playing shite like Martial he has to just keep playing because there's no other options.