Major surgery needed?

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Listening to Sky Sports News, Jamie Redknapp is harping on about how he feels we need 'major surgery', and we need a lot of players to compete with Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, and yes, he even mentioned Liverpool.

Is it really that bad?

I personally feel we need four players in the Summer who will walk into our starting XI and we'll be fine. A centre midfielder, left back, winger and maybe a centre back.

Other than that, I think our squad is fine, and that we're nowhere near as bad as some people are making out to be.

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We need a RB as backup to rafael. No more of this business of Jones/Smalling at RB.

I think we need 3 defenders(If Evra,Vidic,Rio are all gone we need 3),2 CMs and a Winger.
 
Obviously we have some problems that need fixing, but I think a change of mindset is just as important.
 
The major surgery has been done. The heart almost stopped beating with Moyes, now it will be like a new one next season.

A couple of players is all we need - the sqaud is FULL of multiple title winners ffs
 
Maybe now. I had hoped last summer we got midfield sorted, then this summer we could have got a left back, centre back and winger. The failure of last summer means we probably do need more of an overhaul in one fell swoop than the gradual process most of us would have hoped for
 
A couple of centre midfielders who can actually run past a man with the ball, pass forward with one touch, and don't hide when they don't feel 100% comfortable having the ball.

I'd willingly go another year with Evra and Buttner, if we were guaranteed two midfielders like that.
That alone would transform the side.

A top centre back, pacey winger and left back are still needed but less important.
 
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2 midfielders, a left back and a center defener. That's all we need to sign. Left back is in fact debatable cause I can see Evra having a final good year under a good manager.

Varela will get inevitably promoted next season under Van Gaal, and I think that we may see the likes of Pearson, Lingaard and Keane getting some appearances too.

The major surgery is getting overstated, no need for that.
 
SteveJ said:
Obviously we have some problems that need fixing, but I think a change of mindset is just as important.
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Exactly. Changing the manager and coaching staff is arguably the most important change, something that is already underway. We could have bought Kroos amongst others and saw no change if Moyes was still the manager.
 
Perception of this squad would change immediately if we added a midfielder or two. We have an embarrasment of riches in the attacking department, one of the best goalkeepers in the world and some great potential in defense.

Seriously you add some full back cover, perhaps a centre back and a couple of midfielders and its a different outlook. 4 players isn't major surgery.
 
Major surgery? No.

If there's one thing we shouldn't let Moyes get away with is this idea that we were a crumbling wreck in need of major rebuilding when he took over May 2013. We were EASILY a top 3 side who whilst we were perhaps overachieving with the genius of Sir Alex, we weren't a team who should have spent £70m and found ourselves in 7th.
 
Revan said:
2 midfielders, a left back and a center defener. That's all we need to sign. Left back is in fact debatable cause I can see Evra having a final good year under a good manager.

Varela will get inevitably promoted next season under Van Gaal, and I think that we may see the likes of Pearson, Lingaard and Keane getting some appearances too.

The major surgery is getting overstated, no need for that.
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Januzaj, Zaha, Lingard, Powell, Wilson, Varela and Keane are players who I want to play a big part of our pre-season. Whilst Januzaj is already a part of the first team, we need to see if the others are good enough yet or if they need to spend time out on loan.
 
I'd consider selling anyone who isn't named De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Evans, Jones, Januzaj, Mata, Welbeck, Kagawa.

Personally think we need 4 or 5 players and ship out the dross that Moyes should have got rid of last year.
 
If half the players who are supposedly going actually go then yes we need a lot of players
evra, buttner, vidic, Ferdinand, cleverly, giggs, kagawa, nani, Valencia, young, zaha, van persi, welbeck, Hernandez

If even five of that lot go plus we want to strengthen then we are probably looking at 7 or 8 players coming in and yes id say that is pretty major - especially integrating them all into the same team
 
We don't need major surgery, we need some patching up.

2 x CM
LB
CB (top drawer)
Winger

Not an unreasonable haul. We then simply replace anyone who leaves in those positions (e.g. a CF if Hernandez goes).
 
SteveJ said:
Obviously we have some problems that need fixing, but I think a change of mindset is just as important.
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Is THE important factor. Enough to, at least, get into the top 4. To become a dominant force in Europe and be favourites to the win the league, yes we need a few world class players.
 
A1X said:
We don't need major surgery, we need some patching up.

2 x CM
LB
CB (top drawer)
Winger

Not an unreasonable haul. We then simply replace anyone who leaves in those positions (e.g. a CF if Hernandez goes).
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Why do we need a top drawer CB? Surely this will only further damage the chances of Smalling and Jones, two players who have a lot of potential if they played regularly at CB.
 
entropy said:
Why are we starting threads based on what Jamie spice boy Redknapp has to say, ffs!
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Well, he was going to be our new manager, at one time.
 
We'll likely have the ... 'luxury' of not playing CL football next year, so we won't need such a massive squad. I think we can afford to get rid of quite a lot of players and not bring nearly as many in, and in a way, it could be a good thing. Something we've lacked for years now is a cohesive first XI and next year will be a very good chance for whatever manager's in charge to build that for us.
 
Suli said:
Januzaj, Zaha, Lingard, Powell, Wilson, Varela and Keane are players who I want to play a big part of our pre-season. Whilst Januzaj is already a part of the first team, we need to see if the others are good enough yet or if they need to spend time out on loan.
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Wilson won't play next season IMO. Regardless how much Van Gaal loves to play young players, the competition for him is strong. Dunno about Zaha, he seems to raw but he can improve a lot under a good manager.

Januzaj is already there, and I think that Varela will have around 15 appearances next season, while Keane, Powell and Lingaard depends on if we sign players on those positions. I can see them playing a few games though.
 
We do need 4-5 new players but there is also the possibility that a new manager will improve the performances of a number of players in the squad and that will solve some of the problems. Moyes could not offer that he had lost the players, they didn't respect him and that is why he needed a complete overhaul, a new manager probably won't need that.
 
Suli said:
Januzaj, Zaha, Lingard, Powell, Wilson, Varela and Keane are players who I want to play a big part of our pre-season. Whilst Januzaj is already a part of the first team, we need to see if the others are good enough yet or if they need to spend time out on loan.
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Thats going to happen because of the world cup i think. 10 players plus from our squad will be at the world cup so they wont be back by the time pre-seasons starts.
 
We need a centre back to make up the numbers, a back up right back if we don't feel Varela is ready, a first choice left back and a top class centre midfielder. They are the necessities and we'll be perfectly fine assuming no major players leave(Kagawa etc.) If Nani leaves then I'd throw in a winger too because I have no faith at all in Young and Valencia.

Chances are we are not playing in Europe next season and you only need to look at Liverpool to see the size of the squad you need if you are just competing domestically. We can fix our major holes this summer then next year when we are back in the CL we can work on replacing some of the deadwood and upgrade the areas of the team that are not such a priority at the moment.
 
Cina said:
We'll likely have the ... 'luxury' of not playing CL football next year, so we won't need such a massive squad. I think we can afford to get rid of quite a lot of players and not bring nearly as many in, and in a way, it could be a good thing. Sometime we've lacked for years now is a cohesive first XI and next year will be a very good chance for whatever manager's in charge to build that for us.
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Exactly.

Let 10 players go and sign 5 quality players.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Listening to Sky Sports News, Jamie Redknapp is harping on about how he feels we need 'major surgery', and we need a lot of players to compete with Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, and yes, he even mentioned Liverpool.

Is it really that bad?

I personally feel we need four players in the Summer who will walk into our starting XI and we'll be fine. A centre midfielder, left back, winger and maybe a centre back.

Other than that, I think our squad is fine, and that we're nowhere near as bad as some people are making out to be.

Opinions.
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Jamie Redknapp needs major surgery. That cnut needs a personality transplant.
 
Two quality CMs one a bit more creative and one a bit more of a powerhouse would be my choice.

On top of that 4-6, depending on how many players leave, young players with the potential to be world class in 1-3 years preferably for both fullback positions and on the right wing.

Then let them compete for starting spots and make sure the player are feeling that fear again that if they don't perform to the best of their abilities they will find themselves back on the bench again because there is always another quality player who is happy to take their place. In short bring back some competition in the squad.
 
Mystry said:
We need a centre back to make up the numbers, a back up right back if we don't feel Varela is ready, a first choice left back and a top class centre midfielder. They are the necessities and we'll be perfectly fine assuming no major players leave(Kagawa etc.) If Nani leaves then I'd throw in a winger too because I have no faith at all in Young and Valencia.

Chances are we are not playing in Europe next season and you only need to look at Liverpool to see the size of the squad you need if you are just competing domestically. We can fix our major holes this summer then next year when we are back in the CL we can work on replacing some of the deadwood and upgrade the areas of the team that are not such a priority at the moment.
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Very good point, we have at least three transfer windows before we will be competing for the title imo, therefore we do not need to do all our business now, just the essential signings.
 
Roboc7 said:
We do need 4-5 new players but there is also the possibility that a new manager will improve the performances of a number of players in the squad and that will solve some of the problems. Moyes could not offer that he had lost the players, they didn't respect him and that is why he needed a complete overhaul, a new manager probably won't need that.
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Some seem to think that a new manager is a miracle cure. I hope the club doesn't think that way.

We're losing three or four top quality players this summer who need to be replaced. We also need an injection of quality in midfield.

Too many players not performing. Some of this may be down to the manager but a number didn't perform well last season under Fergie either.
 
If we sign a LB, CB and two CMs who are all capable of walking into our starting eleven then we'll be grand. I guess that does count as major surgery by our standards.
 
There are squad deficiencies but this season is the result of a manager/coaching team incapable of getting the best out of existing/new players.
 
Why does everyone want a new CB who will be a first team starter? We have Smalling, Evans and Jones and it should be these players who begin to find a solid partnership and play regularly, adding a top class CB only limits the potential that Smalling and Jones will have.
 
I think a point that has been missed is that being out of Europe makes it much easier to rebuild as we can trim the fat off the squad and go into next season with a smaller but better squad and then add to it next summer when we are hopefully back in the Champions League.

That means we can afford to let around 7 players go, bring 4 top quality replacements in and promote some Youth.
 
Suli said:
Why does everyone want a new CB who will be a first team starter? We have Smalling, Evans and Jones and it should be these players who begin to find a solid partnership and play regularly, adding a top class CB only limits the potential that Smalling and Jones will have.
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Maybe because they haven't proven they can stay fit for a whole season. All three are injury prone.
 
Suli said:
Why do we need a top drawer CB? Surely this will only further damage the chances of Smalling and Jones, two players who have a lot of potential if they played regularly at CB.
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I'd play Jones at RB and Smalling at CB
 
Edwin van der Sar
Wes Brown
Rio Ferdinand (c)
Nemanja Vidić
Patrice Evra
Owen Hargreaves
Paul Scholes
Michael Carrick
Cristiano Ronaldo
Wayne Rooney
Carlos Tévez

Other than goalkeeper (open to debate), is there one position where we're actually as strong as we were when we played Chelsea in the Champions League final?
Maybe right back... Maybe.
 
RedRover said:
Some seem to think that a new manager is a miracle cure. I hope the club doesn't think that way.

We're losing three or four top quality players this summer who need to be replaced. We also need an injection of quality in midfield.

Too many players not performing. Some of this may be down to the manager but a number didn't perform well last season under Fergie either.
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It's not a miracle cure but how Many of our squad played well this season? New manager can get more out of what is there and add to it, moyes could not offer that, we need a lb,cb, two midfield players and a wide player and probably 4 of those need to be first 11 players but we must also get more out of what we have. We can't go out and buy a whole new team but better training, tactics, motivation, leadership, belief, confidence can all make a big difference and the right manager will do that.
 
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