Maguire Swore at Shaw: F**king Switch On

KingCavani said:
Shaw was never that good. Ever.

Even at his best the praise he received was always ridiculously over the top. Comparisons to Roberto Carlos in the summer, he’s not fit to lace his boots.

A bang average player with an atrocious attitude who gets complacent every few months. No different to Pogba and Martial. Needs to be part of the upcoming purge which is long, long overdue.

Time to get quality full backs in like all top clubs do in modern football. Ours are trash. Just look at Walker and Cancelo - They just own their side. Dominance. We haven’t had that in a decade.
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Bollocks.
 
KingCavani said:
Shaw was never that good. Ever.

Even at his best the praise he received was always ridiculously over the top. Comparisons to Roberto Carlos in the summer, he’s not fit to lace his boots.

A bang average player with an atrocious attitude who gets complacent every few months. No different to Pogba and Martial. Needs to be part of the upcoming purge which is long, long overdue.

Time to get quality full backs in like all top clubs do in modern football. Ours are trash. Just look at Walker and Cancelo - They just own their side. Dominance. We haven’t had that in a decade.
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I agree. Not quite sure what he’s meant to do well. Had a decent season last season which was extrapolated over his tenure as if he’s been outstanding throughout. Never particularly rated him but was willing to admire he’d picked up for a season or so but he’s gone backwards dramatically.
 
KingCavani said:
Shaw was never that good. Ever.

Even at his best the praise he received was always ridiculously over the top. Comparisons to Roberto Carlos in the summer, he’s not fit to lace his boots.

A bang average player with an atrocious attitude who gets complacent every few months. No different to Pogba and Martial. Needs to be part of the upcoming purge which is long, long overdue.

Time to get quality full backs in like all top clubs do in modern football. Ours are trash. Just look at Walker and Cancelo - They just own their side. Dominance. We haven’t had that in a decade.
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This. Especially the bolded part.
 
What people forget is that before we signed Telles a lot of folk wanted him out the side. It was only last season he started showing a bit more. Back to his true self this year for sure. Mourinho is probably sitting back sniggering.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
I agree. Not quite sure what he’s meant to do well. Had a decent season last season which was extrapolated over his tenure as if he’s been outstanding throughout. Never particularly rated him but was willing to admire he’d picked up for a season or so but he’s gone backwards dramatically.
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. He was player of the season 18/19 and was also very good last season. He's been good for 3 years, barring this season. Shaw's playing next to the worst CB in the league, it's near impossible to play well in that scenario.
 
YouknowNani said:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. He was player of the season 18/19 and was also very good last season. He's been good for 3 years, barring this season. Shaw's playing next to the worst CB in the league, it's near impossible to play well in that scenario.
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Agreed. Have a pleasant afternoon. Shaw is amazing.
 
KingCavani said:
Shaw was never that good. Ever.

Even at his best the praise he received was always ridiculously over the top. Comparisons to Roberto Carlos in the summer, he’s not fit to lace his boots.

A bang average player with an atrocious attitude who gets complacent every few months. No different to Pogba and Martial. Needs to be part of the upcoming purge which is long, long overdue.

Time to get quality full backs in like all top clubs do in modern football. Ours are trash. Just look at Walker and Cancelo - They just own their side. Dominance. We haven’t had that in a decade.
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Correct. He's capable of having a good spell every now and then, but his norm is being bang average at best. Mourinho might not have been right about much, but he saw Shaw for what he was.
 
They've been terrible, him and Maguire. Maybe the whole coming back early from holiday is ill advised?
 
OrcaFat said:
Most of these players have played significantly better under this regime. Wouldn’t be surprised if they played even worse under another.
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Based on today's lineup, imo, AWB, Maguire and Fred have always been as bad under Ole. Shaw, Bruno and Mason have been better under Ole. DDG has improved this season. Bailly & Lindelof are just error prone or maybe it's the partnership with Maguire. Mctom is a limited player who works his socks off. Nothing much to say on Ron.

Seems 50/50 but very similar performance under Jose, again imo.
 
OrcaFat said:
Most of these players have played significantly better under this regime. Wouldn’t be surprised if they played even worse under another.
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Significantly better still wasn’t good enough. Take McTom as a case study, we’ve seen him play well in a few games but never for anywhere near a sustained period. Numerous players have played better in spots but there’s a number of players who’ll never be good enough for long enough.

The squad Ole has built is mentally fragile & whoever replaces him will be in with a massive rebuild themselves.
 
Orton said:
What people forget is that before we signed Telles a lot of folk wanted him out the side. It was only last season he started showing a bit more. Back to his true self this year for sure. Mourinho is probably sitting back sniggering.
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A bit more is an understatement.

He looked like the best LB in the world last season.
 
Orton said:
What people forget is that before we signed Telles a lot of folk wanted him out the side. It was only last season he started showing a bit more. Back to his true self this year for sure. Mourinho is probably sitting back sniggering.
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Say it louder. A few posters lack a memory. Last season was an anomaly, he’s regressed past the mean but his current slide isn’t something we’ve never seen from him.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Agreed. Have a pleasant afternoon. Shaw is amazing.
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The sarcastic response of somebody who has no argument and can't refute any of my points.

Clearly he's not amazing, I didn't say he was. He's been poor this season, but as I said, he's playing next to Maguire who is absolutely atrocious and disrupts the whole defence. Up until this season, for the past 3 years there's not much argument to say Shaw's been poor seeing as he got player of the season a couple of years ago and most would agree he was also very good last season.
 
YouknowNani said:
The sarcastic response of somebody who has no argument and can't refute any of my points.
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@Orton puts it well. . .
Orton said:
What people forget is that before we signed Telles a lot of folk wanted him out the side. It was only last season he started showing a bit more. Back to his true self this year for sure. Mourinho is probably sitting back sniggering.
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No, it’s the response of someone who saw your response & didn’t feel like going back the forth over Shaw but go on then, 18/19 the season we finished 6th & conceded over 50 league goals? Outstanding achievement for a defender that. Shaw is indeed playing next to a terrible CB, unfortunately that terrible CB is currently playing next to a terrible LB. They look as if they’re attempting to outdo each other week on week.

He’s been bang average for the majority of his United career with a few decent runs of form but yes, I can’t refute your post. Jog on lad.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Significantly better still wasn’t good enough. Take McTom as a case study, we’ve seen him play well in a few games but never for anywhere near a sustained period. Numerous players have played better in spots but there’s a number of players who’ll never be good enough for long enough.

The squad Ole has built is mentally fragile & whoever replaces him will be in with a massive rebuild themselves.
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All too true.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
@Orton puts it well. . .

No, it’s the response of someone who saw your response & didn’t feel like going back the forth over Shaw but go on then, 18/19 the season we finished 6th & conceded over 50 league goals? Outstanding achievement for a defender that. Shaw is indeed playing next to a terrible CB, unfortunately that terrible CB is currently playing next to a terrible LB. They look as if they’re attempting to outdo each other week on week.

He’s been bang average for the majority of his United career with a few decent runs of form but yes, I can’t refute your post. Jog on lad.
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Great argument, stating our league position to disregard him being player of the season. Player of the season usually means you were very good that year and better than everyone else in the team....if that still makes you average or crap, then ok.

Thank you for confirming you couldn't refute my post, lad.
 
Some proper captain hindsights in this thread.
 
Which English player involved in the Euros is doing well at the moment? Rice? His workload last season was much lower than either Maguire, Shaw or Sterling. Its on Ole to see it and give them a longer break, like Pep is doing with Stones until Laporte became unavailable and Sterling.
 
Shaw seems to up his game when he has a challenger to his position. His game got a lot better as soon as we signed Telles. Maybe he's noticed that poor performances haven't seen him dropped to the bench and he's done the usual and eased off on his performances as there is no challenger again.
The opposite of Martial who seems to hideaway when a challenger comes along.
 
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YouknowNani said:
Great argument, stating our league position to disregard him being player of the season. Player of the season usually means you were very good that year and better than everyone else in the team....if that still makes you average or crap, then ok.

Thank you for confirming you couldn't refute my post, lad.
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Feck the league position, we conceded 50 goals.

There’s nothing to refute, your defence for him having a great season os highlighting a season we finished a paltry 6th & conceded the most goals for well over 2 decades. Relegated teams have PoTSs you clown, someone has to get it. He had a good season by his standards but was part of a defence that conceded 50+ domestically but yes I can’t ‘refute’ your nonsense.

He’s been crap more than good over the course of his United career, you haven’t even addressed that statement.

The say insult the post, not the poster, so jog on with your cretinous ramblings.
 
OrcaFat said:
Bollocks.
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Give him a constructive response rather than this nonsense, because he’s speaking sense and I can easily gauge that the majority of the forum would agree with him. Genuinely, which part did he say that was wrong? He never even brought Mourinho up.
 
MalaysianRed7 said:
Give him a constructive response rather than this nonsense, because he’s speaking sense and I can easily gauge that the majority of the forum would agree with him. Genuinely, which part did he say that was wrong? He never even brought Mourinho up.
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Shaw was never a good player?!?! Feck him.

Edit: Feck the post.
 
Pretty much everyone in the squad needs to switch on, Maguire, Shaw, Bruno probably the most switched off
 
pascell said:
End of last season and the Euros was a purple patch.

He's a bang average defender with absolutely no positional sense, or awareness.
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But, but, ‘he got PoTS as a defender when we conceded over 50 league goals, so he’s amazing.’.
 
LittleKingCeadd said:
Shaw seems to up his game when he has a challenger to his position. His game got a lot better as soon as we signed Telles. Maybe he's noticed that poor performances haven't seen him dropped to the bench and he's done the usual and eased off on his performances as there is no challenger again.
The opposite of Martial who seems to hideaway when a challenger comes along.
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Agree with this. One of the deficiencies in Ole's management has been the lack of a willingness to go to the bench. Even if it was just for rest/rotation purposes, the main starters should always know that the second string will play and could take their spots if they (starters) don't perform.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
But, but, ‘he got PoTS as a defender when we conceded over 50 league goals, so he’s amazing.’.
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Childish premise. He got POTS objectively, our left side is always the most potent and he pocketed more or less every attacker he came up against. Admittedly this season so far he has been poor but so has most of the squad barring CR7. Has he been any worse than Maguire or Mctominay?
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Which English player involved in the Euros is doing well at the moment? Rice? His workload last season was much lower than either Maguire, Shaw or Sterling. Its on Ole to see it and give them a longer break, like Pep is doing with Stones until Laporte became unavailable and Sterling.
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Walker is completely unaffected and you can add Foden and Henderson even though they didn't start as much. The Euros should not be used as an excuse, especially when it was basically a home tournament for England.
 
OrcaFat said:
Shaw was never a good player?!?! Feck him.

Edit: Feck the post.
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Never THAT good. Big difference there. While Roberto Carlos comparisons were jokes, loads of us, me included, fell into the trap of comparing him to the likes of Davies and Robertson. He’s not THAT good.
 
I mean considering Maguire has been Shite this year he has a lot of nerve.
But sad that Shaw isn’t playing like he did last season we’re he was the best left back in the league easily.
 
VanDeBank said:
A bit more is an understatement.

He looked like the best LB in the world last season.
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He really didn’t at all, but perhaps if you only watch United-games and rate him as such because he is playing well. Shaw had many mistakes in him last season, as usual few goal involvements and generally looks unfit for a professional footballer. In no universe did he look like the best LB at any given time, he just doesn’t have the highlights in his game.
 
Shaw currently deserves to be dropped. However, last season he was the best LB in the league.
 
MalaysianRed7 said:
Never THAT good. Big difference there. While Roberto Carlos comparisons were jokes, loads of us, me included, fell into the trap of comparing him to the likes of Davies and Robertson. He’s not THAT good.
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I am not sure anyone genuinely thought he was quite as good as R Carlos. Do you think anyone really thought that? But what most people, correctly, thought was that he was a top class LB. Reliable in defence and highly productive going forward. He is THAT good. At the moment he is way below his best but that’s got zero to do with how good he has been in the past.
 
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