Bruno is pretty much our on field leader. It's a delicate matter taking the arm band from a player mid season. I don't know what the dressing room dynamics are, but I'm pretty sure our current form has nothing to do with who wears the band. He wasn't there for the last few games before yesterday.
Maguire needs to be replaced
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That said, he definitely isn't captain material. Should be looked at after this season.
Maguire getting it was wrong yes. That doesnt mean the player who was at risk of being sold/ not playing should have got it
I agree it's largely symbolic however I'd still rather have a lion and sword on my flag while marching to war than a one of a cupcake with sprinkles if you catch my drift.
Of all the shit to worry about, who wears an arm band is probably near the very bottom. We are in a mess, no matter who leads the team out first in its current state.
Sami Hyypia is a big one who comes to mind. The late Gerard Houllier gave the captaincy to a then-23-year-old Steven Gerrard in 2003 because Hyypia suffered a sustained lapse in form over the 2 years when he was the Liverpool captain.
If we were to follow that example, you would wonder if the captaincy should rather go with someone who represents the best out of Manchester and who is expected to do that for a long time. In that case, Marcus Rashford would be the man. Plenty of food for thought.
I would let Rashford further develop without having additional pressure of the captaincy.
This should really be the least of our issues.
I mostly don’t even remember in post Keane years under SAF who wore the armband when.
This should really be the least of our issues.
I mostly don’t even remember in post Keane years under SAF who wore the armband when.
I think he is a very decent captain when his own form and fitness is good. Many times he has driven the team on and actually been our most progressive player. In form he is inspirational.
But he does have spells where his form or fitness or both is off and his confidence takes a knock and from the outside, he doesn’t look like a captain. I still think he’s the best we’ve got.
But he does have spells where his form or fitness or both is off and his confidence takes a knock and from the outside, he doesn’t look like a captain. I still think he’s the best we’ve got.
Maguire needs to be sold. Instead, we'll award him with a new contract that would keep him at the club till retirement.
If you think Ole has the peanuts to strip Maguire of captaincy think again , I agree completely but he should never have been given the captaincy after what a few months ? Madness
Oh I can play this game too! One clean sheet in the last 19 games. Conceding more goals than Liverpool last season when they lost both starting CBs, but yes mostly did well!
Could it be, that the manager is the problem as well, since in your eyes Maguire can do no wrong, or are you still firmly riding that Ole in train!?
Not this again. Least of our problems.
The days of a Keane or Robson being THE leader of the team and dragging the players and team through are long gone in football and there’s very few real leaders in that mould out there now, our last two club captains were Valencia and Young.
I don’t think Fernandes or Ronaldo or anyone else does a better job if they’re given the captaincy and too much emphasis is put on who’s club captain, Maguire is the second best centre back at the club and as an £80 million outlay is going to start every game regardless of whether he’s captain or not.
In Varane, Maguire, Shaw, Fernandes and Ronaldo we have a group of players that will start every game whether they are captain or not and are all seen (outside of Shaw) as team leaders and they should as a group build the team up whichever one is wearing the armband or not.
I don’t think Fernandes or Ronaldo or anyone else does a better job if they’re given the captaincy and too much emphasis is put on who’s club captain, Maguire is the second best centre back at the club and as an £80 million outlay is going to start every game regardless of whether he’s captain or not.
In Varane, Maguire, Shaw, Fernandes and Ronaldo we have a group of players that will start every game whether they are captain or not and are all seen (outside of Shaw) as team leaders and they should as a group build the team up whichever one is wearing the armband or not.
No no no, we mostly did well last season, but not better than Liverpool who lost both starting CBs last season
Blinkers, delusion etc., it’s not a surprise that many who excuse Maguire’s shambolic displays are still backing Ole.
Maguire should have been taken off directly after the stunt he pulled on the first goal. Unacceptable.
But still a problem nonetheless and a problem that he’s our captain.
This thread is about Maguire. Nice deflection tactic as usual.Oh I can play this game too! One clean sheet in the last 19 games. Conceding more goals than Liverpool last season when they lost both starting CBs, but yes mostly did well!
Could it be, that the manager is the problem as well, since in your eyes Maguire can do no wrong, or are you still firmly riding that Ole in train!?
If you are that interested in my opinion on Ole, you can read my posts in his threads.
Agree that he's far from the main issue here, but it was not just yesterday. He has been poor this season and has been at fault for a few goals.
It's not an issue at all, will make no difference whatsoever.
As I'm sure I said the last time this thread was created, we'll be changing captain every other week if a poor display is enough to switch. Bruno in particular.
Yes he has - along with Shaw and Fred who also all went to the tournament final with their countries and had little time off in the summer
No coincidence as far as I'm concerned
The armband's importance is overrated for me. If a player is good enough or enough of a leader, the armband doesn't need to be around his arm
Yet you ignore the most damming statistic, we conceded more than Liverpool last season, BUT, we were pretty good according to you.
You’re correct in that a change a may not make a difference with the current manager in charge. It’s a deeper underlying issue and possibly a better manager could get the best out of Maguire more consistently.
I couldn’t care less about what Liverpool did last season.Yet you ignore the most damming statistic, we conceded more than Liverpool last season, BUT, we were pretty good according to you.
Also anyone who understands football knows defending is not just about the back four, but has a lot to do with the players in front of them.
But keep using smilies, maybe try 5 smilies next time to put across your point.
Maguire needs to be fired, not just stripped of being the captain. He is a liability. Huge liability. Never reached any sort of high level at Man Utd. Slow, stupid and unreliable.
Back to the manager, of course.
Of course, but its so far besides the point at the moment that it just feels like one of those clichéd points that gets made every time a team is poor. They lack leadership or personality or maybe the captain is a large part of the issue. The same has been said about Arsenal and Spurs for the last decade - is that the important issue or is it that they're not great sides?
I'd say if you are a poor football team then you tend to have poor results and then of course everything is called into question. It is going to look like everything is going tits up on the pitch if the technical side is falling flat on its face. Then what do you end up with? Players lacking confidence in themselves, the system, maybe even each other and the manifestation on the pitch is poor body language, maybe passivity or sulking depending on personalities.
We need to get the football right and then a lot of stuff tends to take care of itself.
Give the captaincy to Varane. Multiple European champion, World Cup winner and consummate professional vs the overpriced slab from Sheffield. It’s a no brainer for me.
Absolutely . You could march to war with panties on your banners but if you're the most prepared and able fighting squad you will be victorious. Maguire just annoys me a bit is all.
He's fine, not a problem. Shite coaching is why we're shite. It's not like Bruno is keeping his thoughts to himself because he's not captain.
Bruno has been below average this season just like Maguire. Having a captain that makes poor decisions and gives the ball away can really tear a team apart.
I have trust that Maguire will get back to his best. He was superb most of last season and at the Euros.
Considering the absolute lack of pace and mobility, we would have been just as well off bringing an ageing world class defender in their 30's on the cheap than buying Maguire who is even a bit suspect on the ball as well and think lindelof is better than him on the ball, I look at thiago for chelsea and aside from age thiago looks the better defender and he cost nothing, I would have even took Evan's back over Maguire.
Well what is the deepest underlying issue if you don’t think Maguire is the problem!?
Of course you don’t care about what Liverpool did last season because it completely undermines your point.
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He made a WhatsApp group, it's not easy to do that.
I'm confident that Maguire will stay captain whoever the manager is.
Unless the manager wants a fresh start.
To be fair, it would be hard justifying keeping Maguire who never deserved in the first place. We have a GOAT in the team, a club legend in De Gea, another CB who is twice the player, Bruno, the Manc Rashford, and even Pogba if he continues. Maguire is our second/third best CB and not in our top 5 players, he never captained anyone before coming here and somehow became captain in 6 months. Pretty weird, all things considered.
I’ve seen posts with all these ideas recently. New captains, better coaches, number 6’s, drop this player, start that player, change to 4-3-3 and the list goes on.
There probably should be a new captain, and a new system, and better coaches, but none of it will matter if the man in charge continues to be Ole. He is the head coach and he isn’t up to the job.
Let someone with real vision come in and make all those changes, rather than hope that Ole suddenly hits upon a magic combination that masks the fact that he can’t set up a fantastically talented football team to win games consistently, or even play good football.
Look at Liverpool, look at City, and now look at Chelsea too. There is one key difference and it’s time we stopped handicapping ourselves because we are hopeless romantics.
It’s not going to work and it’s time to start acting like a serious football club. All these other decisions will fall into place in the hands of someone who knows what they want to do and can really coach players at the highest level.
There probably should be a new captain, and a new system, and better coaches, but none of it will matter if the man in charge continues to be Ole. He is the head coach and he isn’t up to the job.
Let someone with real vision come in and make all those changes, rather than hope that Ole suddenly hits upon a magic combination that masks the fact that he can’t set up a fantastically talented football team to win games consistently, or even play good football.
Look at Liverpool, look at City, and now look at Chelsea too. There is one key difference and it’s time we stopped handicapping ourselves because we are hopeless romantics.
It’s not going to work and it’s time to start acting like a serious football club. All these other decisions will fall into place in the hands of someone who knows what they want to do and can really coach players at the highest level.
Were you as vocal about this change of captain being required when he was playing well last season?