Good points all.
Maguire is no longer United captain
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Good points all.
That's really not about it. He's dominant in the air, he's rock solid defending the box in established defensive play and he's generally strong one-on-one (as long as he's able to contain opponent speed). He's got a lot of qualities, and he's an effective player as long as he's not forced to play outside his comfort zone and can play to his strengths. Which is unfortunately not the case at United, in addition to which too much bad history has piled up.
….and?
That was what I felt at the time?
Not sure the point you’re trying to make here?
That’s an assumption on your part. It’s another woe is me moment for Harry.
And now he feels mad and upset.
Harry, take the (not-so-subtle) hint mate. Move on. Just leave. Yes, there is the money factor but is see no reason why he would want to hang around here. He must know he's done. Out LB plays instead of him, ffs. You're time is up chief.
That's enough reason
Won’t be his fault if he stayed. If I was offered that sought of contract, I’d show loyalty to the club and see it out, however Gareth Southgate the England manager might have a word in his shell like and tell him if he wants to play for England get a move to get game time.
There’s only one person to blame for Slab Head at Utd and that is Solskjaer for wanting him. Leicester must have creamed themselves after buying him from Hull, they then realise he isn’t up to that much and in comes a record breaking transfer for a defender, well thank you.
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He was quite highly rated at Leicester, not worth the £80m mind but it was silly season for transfer fees after VVD. Always had his weaknesses (ie pace), but the main thing is he hasn't been able to cope with the pressure. Hasn't got the mentality.
If we're announcing he's no longer captain and he's released a statement, it suggests that he's staying doesn't it?
Why go through the rigmarole of that if expectation is that he'll be sold anyway.
Why go through the rigmarole of that if expectation is that he'll be sold anyway.
Because he’s completely deluded and can’t see what’s in front of him (almost literally).
Not necessarily. Simply means that he's still a United player currently, so they have to treat him as such. I think it's pretty clear that the manager wants him gone to get some funds in. But obviously selling him for a decent fee is probably going to be difficult. So unless he pushes for a move, I can see him sticking around.
De Gea should have been captain, its not only small time to give it to a new signing but IIRC he wasn't even going to be given the armband it was DDG's until Ole petulantly took his criticism away at Newcastle personally, as he should have done because its when he should have been sacked but that's by the by.
But they behaved like they knew their place - he walked around like Billy Big Balls doing post match interviews week after week talking about how "we need to be better than this" using our history as a proxy for his own unjustifiably high standards - he's been the main reason why we've been sh1t in defence and certainly one of the main reasons we've had such an unlikable squad over the past 4 seasons. He's no leader, he's an imposter and the way he had the audacity to come on and lift the League Cup with Bruno, as if he had contributed to that success, was about as expected as this recent rant on social media. I pretty much always defend all of our players and have done for decades but he is the most unlikable 'captain' we've ever had, easily. I would rather transfer him for free and keep paying half his bloated wages than keep him in the squad this coming season, "professional" or not.
I love DDG but he's probably the last guy I'd give the armband to. Maybe one or two matches but definitely not the official one. Guy can't even command his own box.
Have a look at the context of the reply they are arguing Maguire was the best choice because there was nobody else. At least DDG takes responsibility and wasn't a new signing, in that context i know who i am giving it too its not even close.
Hell Maguire is worse as a CB than DDG is as a keeper which is saying something.
From an outsiders perspective, for me the biggest indicator of whether ETH was potentially the real deal, or just another false dawn came down to 3 things.
How he managed the departures of Ronaldo, De Gea and Maguire as captain.
Just over a year in and he's nailed them all.
How he managed the departures of Ronaldo, De Gea and Maguire as captain.
Just over a year in and he's nailed them all.
After Jose the dressing room was in a terrible state tbh I can't think of anyone else either.
And Maguire is not a bad CB and surely DDG is not a bad keeper. I know fans have short memory but both had contributed to United well enough to have some respect from the fans imo. Maguire had two decent seasons and needless to say how many times DDG had saved our ass. Both simply don't suit our new style, not good enough, on big wages thus have to go.
The club has just put an article about his statement on fb. When I first saw it I thought it said "as his time at the club comes to an end"
Sadly not
Sadly not
If ever you wanted proof of how ridiculous the media coverage of United is, it's this. Maguire hasn't been a starter in forever, we're clearly open to selling him and the football world has moved on apart from using him as a basis for memes, I doubt any rival fans think he's going to force his way back into the team and assume he'll be sold at some point as well. It's a non story.
There’s a PR article on sky sports where his frustrations have been clearly leaked to some journo friend
can’t wait to get rid of this deluded fraud
can’t wait to get rid of this deluded fraud
I certainly don't hate Maguire and he's not a terrible footballer. He just isn't good enough to play CB for a top club. Not his fault we massively overpaid for him and all the expectations that comes with. He also lacks the mentality reuired to be at a top club.
He does seem to completely lack any self-awareness and does rub folks the wrong way. Will be glad when he's gone; best move for both him and the club.
He does seem to completely lack any self-awareness and does rub folks the wrong way. Will be glad when he's gone; best move for both him and the club.
I think he is good enough to play for a top club personally.
IMO it's more that United are the most talked about and scrutinised club in England that he (and many others before him) can't deal with. Only Real Madrid are as big as United in that regard
I think he'll be an important player and much happier playing for Chelsea, Spurs etc.
DDG would pass out just leaving his six yard box, let alone getting to half way to toss the coin pre match.
De Gea, a player who had already started his complete collapse of form, who has a tendency to shit-the-bed and make mistakes in the biggest games, who is one of the least talkative and commanding keepers around? De Gea was just about a decent choice as vice-captain as respect for what he'd achieved, but even at his best he was never captain material unless your only requirement is 'who has been here the longest'.
In a squad that literally had the weakest leadership group of any team I can remember, it seemed Ole had the choice of giving it to players he knew definitely weren't captaincy material or the new guy that he felt might develop into being somewhat of a leader. Of course in hindsight we know it didn't happen, but at the time Maguire was widely seen as the most likely.
Pogba was probably the other main option.
I don't blame OGS for waiting him as he was one of the hottest properties in England at that point of time. However I blame OGS for giving him the captaincy shortly after and clearly he didn't have enough to lead a team of demoralised players who he may not be familiar with. I am a firm believer of considering the seniority of a player at our club before giving them the captaincy. I hope ETH don't make the same mistake. As much as Case, Varane and Licha have done admirably well, I think it is more suitable to give to another person that has been with us for longer time eg. Bruno/ shaw
No need for the tweet and the fact he comes across as shocked says it all about him. The man's delusional.
None of these things were attributes of the player called Harry Maguire.
Maguire was ridiculously hyped (usual of English fans/media) at that time
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...transfer-harry-maguire-virgil-van-dijk-stats/
There is surprisingly little to separate the centre-backs statswise, though Van Dijk does come out on top.
The Liverpool colossus - who is favourite to win this year's Ballon d'Or - set up more goals, had a better duel success rate and passing accuracy than the former Hull star.
But Maguire made more recoveries and recorded a better percentage winning headers.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49208153
For the money they have spent, United will believe they have signed a defender who can stand alongside Europe's elite, so how do his stats compare to some of the best centre-backs across the continent?
In general, as the table below shows, Maguire is comparable in all areas, with the added bonus of being one of the most aerially dominant.
He also makes very few errors leading to goals.
Maguire may not be the complete defender but he appears to be player that possesses the attributes United need - aerial prowess and an ability to play out confidently.
The pressure of the price tag is another obstacle the England international will have to overcome but it is a pressure he has been backed to thrive on.
"He is one of those lads who will walk into the dressing room and settle in straight away," added Dawson.
"One day you can see him being a captain of Manchester United. Give him time to settle in, and I am sure he will be a captain of that club one day."
This is somewhat re-writing history though, as for most of his first 18 months as captain he did a decent job and the team performed well, including a long unbeaten streak away from home and several matches where we turned games around with strong second half performances. Maguire was a key figure in that and probably should have been in the premier league TOTY for 20/21.
The start of 21/22 seems to have been when it really started to go wrong. Whether it was the arrival of Ronaldo de-stabilising the squad or perhaps Ole trying to play more aggressively, Maguire struggled quite badly. He hasn’t fully recovered since and clearly isn’t what Eric wants as a first choice CB. I think he’s a good signing for most premier league teams though, if they can agree a suitable fee/wages.
Most of that article is stats based though. Aren’t you just emphasising why, at the time, it didn’t look a bad decision to sign him?
I was just replying to the post that said it was all Ole's fault for signing him. Ole wasn't the only one who thought we had a good defender on our hands.
Imo both.
Because Ronaldo having no pace for the counter Ole started to stop using our usual counter approach but moved to another one with a higher line and the tactic turned to pass to Ronaldo and god know what. That was completely a mess of a tactic.
Then imo his non existing pressing and the tumoils in the dressing room made our wingers fecking lazy in tracking back. All that and our shit midfield resulted in our back four super exposed. The gap between our lines was huge. The space we usually left behind was even bigger and Maguire we all know he turns around like a fecking carrier. The moral was dogshit. Nobody gave much feck except Bruno I think. Teams cut through us like butter. What a disaster that was. Give me PTSD just thinking about it.
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He was a Mourinho target that Woodward chased for 2 summers in a row. Solskjaer just happened to be the manager in the dugout when Maguire finally signed.
Ole's preferred target was apparently De Ligt, according to Andy Mitten.
Hopefully, he can find a new club and get on with his career. He like many others before in the last 10 seasons have come into a squad which has not been good enough and an expectation from fans that they have been unable to deliver. No shame in that, the teams changing under the ETH and he isn't that type of player.
Hopefully we get better without him and he goes on to rebuild his club career. No ill will, just the reality of it.
Hopefully we get better without him and he goes on to rebuild his club career. No ill will, just the reality of it.
Pretty sure hes the leak consider two SkySports pieces in a day hope we get good price for him
Read it and thought exactly the same. Complete puff piece - a very rose tinted view. Even the sky sports clip of audio commentary of the Sevilla game tried its best to avoid blaming him.
Lots of options my arse. Let see if he can find ANYONE to buy him for north of 20m without us subsidising his wages.
That's what English media does with (white) England players. See Kane, never anything negative, always defending him.