Maguire: “My win rate under current manager is ridiculously high” | “I don’t like playing once a month, will have a chat with club”

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I think it’s best put in this post. . .


The frustrating thing is, unless I say I feel he’s a victim in all this I come out as ‘dumping on him’ so there’s no real discussion here.


Who said he didn’t speak at length about Sir Bobby/Manchester United? It’s almost like you’ve not read what’s written. I talked about the order.

So you can watch an interview at length but a few sentences are a struggle. . . Thanks for providing that information.
You said he put himself first. He talked about the club and Sir Bobby (the two things he apparently places after himself) before the quote you take umbrage with. The quote was, furthermore, a specific response to a question about how he's handled himself the last few months.

Essentially, I think you're just finding things to get worked up about because you don't like Maguire.
 
You said he put himself first. He talked about the club and Sir Bobby (the two things he apparently places after himself) before the quote you take umbrage with. The quote was, furthermore, a specific response to a question about how he's handled himself the last few months.

Essentially, I think you're just finding things to get worked up about because you don't like Maguire.
What you essentially think is irrelevant the point I made was when he talks he puts himself first, which he did in that moment. You can keep your furthermores because no one has said he didn’t talk about Manchester United or Sir Bobby at length.
 
That goes without saying, but Agbonlahor didn't really go into that.

The large majority of the ridicule, as I'm sure you know, comes from Social Media and the wider football fan community...look at the England games for example.

I wanted Maguire out and gone because he was playing poorly long before he was being hammered by people, in fact you could argue those in the public eye pussy-footed around his poor form for some time.

But right now I'm delighted that he's got past all that and showing he can raise his level. Based on the comments Agbonlahor made, anyone with a similar view shouldn't feel bad or apologetic about having an opinion. Of course anyone who went past the line and insulted him personally, members of his family or posed any danger to he and his family should suffer real consequences.

People from the same organisation this week referred to Antony as a 'myth'. I'd like to see them apologise about that.
Yeah and I admit I laughed when Upamecano made an error and the German or whatever commentator called him Upamaguire.
Agbonlahor isn't the sharpest tool tbf.
 
Feel free to highlight in the relevant thread as you’ve been asked to do so on multiple occasions. Not dismissing one side of a disagreement entirely is not defence, do better.

So your response to me telling you I’m not doing something is to retorte with a quote I’ve not made (or something similar). . .

You can’t say I’m doing something & make it be true just because it doesn’t align with your extreme take on that matter.

Footballers don’t need defending from us guys behind keyboards, the guy has won already.

This isn’t a performance thread, it’s about his quotes & this is a further example of him centring himself over the team.

You’ve followed me to a few threads now getting upset about my non-existent defensiveness of players yet here you are doing the exact same thing you claim to dislike so much. . .
These are two posts that show you defending Sancho. You'll go on to claim they're not, that you're simply saying that others in the squad are blah blah but if you're not defending Sancho in that thread I'm interested to hear what your posts, specifically in the Sancho thread, are doing? Which is when you'll talk about nuancing the debate and not defending per se. At which point you'll march into the Harry Maguire thread and call him a narcissist. Very nuanced.
@TsuWave you’re doing well in here, keep going.

I particularly like the point about not simply dismissing Sancho’s POV.

We’ve all worked in teams & seen people highlighted for things others are not. You don’t need to sit in on training sessions to know that not every player performs at 100% every day, it’s simply impossible - what I got from his remarks is that he sees others performing badly in games/training without direct critique.

Sancho is a sensitive soul & the club appears to be too big for him but the guy could never kick a ball again & he’s reached a point in his profession nobody on this forum has.

If anyone on this forum felt wrongly criticised in a public meeting by their manager at work then said manager demanded an apology maybe we’d do it because you know, bills, roof over head but Sancho for whatever reason doesn’t want to/feel he should, that’s partially why I can’t dismiss his perspective.
It’s difficult to send a message about training performance when there are multiple members of this squad who down tools in games yet get picked again the next week. Sancho, is hardly the epitome of the player power status quo at Manchester United.

Personally I’ve worked in enough teams to know that not every team member performs to 100% every day. Sancho worded it terribly, for this forum anyway, but his main issue was feeling singled out. He obviously feels his performances in training weren’t that far below others.

People are getting riled about him not apologising but we don’t really know exactly what he’s being asked to apologise for. I’m good either way, sell the whole squad for all I care at this point but EtH chose to replace the carrot with the stick & here we are.
 

:lol:
Is this all it takes for a big “I told you so” “everybody apologise” redemption story?
Three decent/good performances against the heavyweights of Copenhagen, Brentford and Sheffield United and that’s it..
A smart person would have at least waited till after the city and Newcastle games to be honest:
 
I always thought the heat he was getting was way overblown. I'd rather he moved out if replaced adequately but once the transfer fell through I never vibed with the "chug him in reserves !". He was placed much deeper in squad charts because of Shaw and injury aside that always was a bit flimsy because that means not putting Shaw at LB...
Anyhow glad he's making an impact as a rotation option.
 
We should hire the people doing Maguire's PR. Anyhow it's good that the media is actually backing someone at our club who's played himself into some form. Is Maguire the answer to Haaland's physicality? I just hope we don't get cruelly exposed by City.
 
These are two posts that show you defending Sancho. You'll go on to claim they're not, that you're simply saying that others in the squad are blah blah but if you're not defending Sancho in that thread I'm interested to hear what your posts, specifically in the Sancho thread, are doing? Which is when you'll talk about nuancing the debate and not defending per se. At which point you'll march into the Harry Maguire thread and call him a narcissist. Very nuanced.
Firstly, this isn’t the relevant thread.

Secondly. . .
Not dismissing one side of a disagreement entirely is not defence
You spend a post telling me what I’m going to do then ask a question, a further response would be redundant as my numerous clarifications don’t fit your narrative.

We’re at an impasse here. I made a statement on Maguire & you’ve turned this into a Sancho debate.
 
Firstly, this isn’t the relevant thread.

Secondly. . .

You spend a post telling me what I’m going to do then ask a question, a further response would be redundant as my numerous clarifications don’t fit your narrative.

We’re at an impasse here. I made a statement on Maguire & you’ve turned this into a Sancho debate.
Ok, you're right, we're at an impasse. You ask me for things, I provide them, then you say it's the wrong thread. I don't understand your take on either player but I don't think either of us is changing the other's mind. For what it's worth, I do appreciate the cordial responses - fundamentally I think we're not too far apart in our takes on both situations.
 
For what it's worth, I do appreciate the cordial responses - fundamentally I think we're not too far apart in our takes on both situations.
Same.

I’m sure we’ll agree on something at some point, this should be a place we can disagree & move on.

Have a good one.
 
Ok, you're right, we're at an impasse. You ask me for things, I provide them, then you say it's the wrong thread. I don't understand your take on either player but I don't think either of us is changing the other's mind. For what it's worth, I do appreciate the cordial responses - fundamentally I think we're not too far apart in our takes on both situations.
Not everyone can face the difficult situation in an appropriate way and manner as what you just witness here, right?
It actually reflects how well Maguire has behaved over 12mo and what character he has.
 
Totally agree mate, about maybe 3rd / 4th choice but it sure seems he will not be happy being a squad player. Because of that, I hope we move on from him. Best for both parties.
Any player that is happy to be just a squad player is not a player that should be at Man United, every player should expect to be in the team, obviously that isn't possible, but they shouldn't be happy about it
 
Bring in Todibo with his pace and he’ll revolutionise United, he’s what Varane was 6 or 7 years ago but much better on the ball.
I say sign him up if that’s true. Always tough though since Varane was tearing it up for Real Madrid so you never know how players react to a bigger platform.

I would love us to sign a footballer of varane’s quality who is fit most of the time. I love varane in our team. He’s a rock just injured too much.

Varane is one of the few players post Fergie when he’s on the field you feel safe and confident he’ll give you a 7/10 most games. The kinda footballer who if you have enough of wins you league titles.
 
He deserves some credit but my word the bar is low. We are so used now to see him make mistake after mistake that a few clean games and like the 4rth or so goal in 4 years, even though he towers over most players, has to be seen as a great thing.

I am genuinely happy he is doing ok and hope he continues so. His interviews are terrible though and show me little understanding about his prolonged poor levels of performance and the lack of responsibility. He needs to watch some hour long highlights on his goal leading mistakes he's made over the last 3 years.
 
He is a biger man than most of us keybord worriors thats for sure.

Deffo mate!

He’s doing well at the moment when we really needed someone to step up - captain behaviour.

He may not be as good a player as Varane but he’s certainly been a better servant to our club.

Too bad he did not act like a captain when he wore the armband. He did not show up for post game interviews when we lost for example.
 
To be honest, it was just nice seeing him being clapped off by the Stretford End and getting that big goal. We know he's not good enough, and the whole "I have nothing to prove" attitude rubs people the wrong way (including myself), but compared to some players we've had over the years, and even some we have right now (hello Jadon) his attitude is not an issue.

Everything surrounding him has just become so hyperbolic.
 
To be honest, it was just nice seeing him being clapped off by the Stretford End and getting that big goal. We know he's not good enough, and the whole "I have nothing to prove" attitude rubs people the wrong way (including myself), but compared to some players we've had over the years, and even some we have right now (hello Jadon) his attitude is not an issue.

Everything surrounding him has just become so hyperbolic.
Really shows the toxic nature of social media. He's a good but not great CB, would start for most mid table and under clubs and a few higher up but has a couple of big weaknesses which are pace/mobility and I would argue he's not aggressive enough. Take that same player, whack an £80m price tag on him, hound him for years on social media for any mistake and basically bully him and you get that same good but not great player but without any confidence and probably second guessing everything he's doing. Then take that nervous wreck of a good to great player and put him in an erratic team who can't score goals for toffee and you create what we see now.
 
Really shows the toxic nature of social media. He's a good but not great CB, would start for most mid table and under clubs and a few higher up but has a couple of big weaknesses which are pace/mobility and I would argue he's not aggressive enough. Take that same player, whack an £80m price tag on him, hound him for years on social media for any mistake and basically bully him and you get that same good but not great player but without any confidence and probably second guessing everything he's doing. Then take that nervous wreck of a good to great player and put him in an erratic team who can't score goals for toffee and you create what we see now.

Yeah. I've always spoke on here about how much I don't rate him. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. But the worst thing you can say about him is that's he's not good enough for United. Or at least, he's not good enough to be a starter at United. That's it. He was brought in and elevated to a position beyond his actual ability. If he was brought in for half the price, made into a squad player, rotated when needed, then I have no doubt that he would be considered a success.

Again, he does come out with some daft things, but he's also getting a lot of shit, so sometimes I don't even blame him when he comes out and says those things. Obviously, he should have gone in the summer. Best for both parties.
 
Yeah. I've always spoke on here about how much I don't rate him. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. But the worst thing you can say about him is that's he's not good enough for United. Or at least, he's not good enough to be a starter at United. That's it. He was brought in and elevated to a position beyond his actual ability. If he was brought in for half the price, made into a squad player, rotated when needed, then I have no doubt that he would be considered a success.

Again, he does come out with some daft things, but he's also getting a lot of shit, so sometimes I don't even blame him when he comes out and says those things. Obviously, he should have gone in the summer. Best for both parties.
Yeah his quotes and him cupping his ears when he scored for England show him to be a bit naive but it’s far better than players like Sancho, Ronaldo etc who are genuinely toxic. Maguire, as you say, just hasn’t been as good as people expect from a CB but then again so have many other players.
 
Got away with one missing a straight forward header in the six-yard-box. Get's punished on another day.
 
It was a bizarre thing to say. "Well, we win when I play". Even if it wasn't bollix, I doubt any serious leader would say that.
Especially when we were getting pummelled when he was playing under previous managers.
 
How about those stats again, heh?
 
The teams he has played 90 minutes against this season and last:

Brentford x2
West Ham x2
Fulham x2
Crystal Palace
Sheffield United
Nottingham Forest
Everton
Leeds
Bournemouth
Brighton
Reading
Aston Villa
Charlton
Real Betis
Real Sociedad
Sevilla

Is it any wonder his win percentage is decent?
Man City - conceded 3
Newcastle - conceded 3
 
The stats were always BS. There are just so many maguire fan boys who pretend he can be in the discussion with varane or martinez. He shouldn't be here. That said, Lindeloff and johnny evans shouldnt be here as well.
 
I really don’t understand why he has a free header with no-one near him, and he just heads it straight to the opposition in the halfway line. Why can’t he just head it to one of the many free team mates alongside him? He does it so often.
 
I really don’t understand why he has a free header with no-one near him, and he just heads it straight to the opposition in the halfway line. Why can’t he just head it to one of the many free team mates alongside him? He does it so often.
Because his ability to direct the ball with his head is terrible. Both in our and the opponent's box.

This is nothing new unless you're one of the dumb English pundits or his fanboys on here.
 
I really don’t understand why he has a free header with no-one near him, and he just heads it straight to the opposition in the halfway line. Why can’t he just head it to one of the many free team mates alongside him? He does it so often.
Sometimes the ball comes straight back to him and he does the same thing again. He's being doing for years, so I find it hard to believe no coach has brought it up with him.
 
I really don’t understand why he has a free header with no-one near him, and he just heads it straight to the opposition in the halfway line. Why can’t he just head it to one of the many free team mates alongside him? He does it so often.

No IQ
 
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