What's divisive about that ? Sounds like they're merely poinying out that organizations within Britain have links to various terrorist organizations.
Maajid Nawaz
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What's divisive about that ? Sounds like they're merely poinying out that organizations within Britain have links to various terrorist organizations.
What?
None of the UK organisations they have listed have been accused or linked with any terrorist organisation. They're merely demonising a whole community.
Slightly out of context. He was giving an interview about an intelligence gathering initiative which, rather than being the anti-Muslim police state your post would suggest targets people with specific views:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/16/spying-morally-right-says-thinktank
This is a quote by Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri. The only thing Quilliam have to do with him is that they praised a fatwa he issued against suicide bombing.
Interesting to note they have not attacked Hizbul Tahrir (Anjum Choudhry) in the article above.
I don't have an issue with Qadri's fatwa. However, to accuse those of Deobandi teachings to support terrorism is lies. Here is an excerpt of their fatwa.
Senior clerics from the 150-year-old Darul Uloom Deoband issued the edict saying they wished to wipe out terrorism. "Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form," said the rector, Habibur Rehman, to the cheers of thousands of students. Many held placards saying "Islam means peace", while others chanted.
"The religion of Islam has come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace," Mr Rehman added.
I could swear the Muslim Brotherhood at a minumum have been on the terror list.
Muslim Brotherhood is an Egyptian organisation, not UK. They recently won an election.
Your above post suggested the various British organizations had links to the Brotherhood. Not exactly paragons.
I'm still not sure what Nawaz has to do with that quote though. I was just pointing out how tenuous the link is.
How the Muslim Brotherhood fits into a network of extremism
By Andrew Gilligan
6:00AM GMT 08 Feb 2015
The Government is preparing a major clampdown on organisations linked to the terror group Hamas after the long-awaited publication of its review into the Muslim Brotherhood.
The review, by the former British ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Sir John Jenkins, has been delayed for months amid disputes about how strongly it should say the Brotherhood is linked to terrorism.
It is expected to say that the Brotherhood, a multifaceted organisation, is not itself a terrorist group and should not be banned, a verdict most analysts agree with.
However, the report will dismiss claims by the Brotherhood that there is “no evidence” of links between it and terrorism. “There are clear links and Jenkins will trigger further action against some Brotherhood and Hamas-linked groups,” said one official source. Many of the groups have already been squeezed by removing their bank accounts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...herhood-fits-into-a-network-of-extremism.html
By Andrew Gilligan
6:00AM GMT 08 Feb 2015
The Government is preparing a major clampdown on organisations linked to the terror group Hamas after the long-awaited publication of its review into the Muslim Brotherhood.
The review, by the former British ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Sir John Jenkins, has been delayed for months amid disputes about how strongly it should say the Brotherhood is linked to terrorism.
It is expected to say that the Brotherhood, a multifaceted organisation, is not itself a terrorist group and should not be banned, a verdict most analysts agree with.
However, the report will dismiss claims by the Brotherhood that there is “no evidence” of links between it and terrorism. “There are clear links and Jenkins will trigger further action against some Brotherhood and Hamas-linked groups,” said one official source. Many of the groups have already been squeezed by removing their bank accounts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...herhood-fits-into-a-network-of-extremism.html
Glad we can all agree the Muslim Brotherhood are not terrorists
The are saints when compared to Sisi and Mubarak
Back to the original topic - what is your issue with Nawaz ? Getting money from the government years ago is hardly a legitimate criticism.
No defence offfered of Sisi. No surprise from you
He does talk about overseas affairs, and he's completely wrong about all of it. Any belife a muslim may have, any position taken which is influenced by their faith is instantly dismissed, everything is Islamist to him and so is wrong.
I don't belive he's genuine, I think he says what he does to make a living
What's wrong with making a living as an anti-radicalization advocate ? You should be applauding his efforts as he's one of the few I've seen who speaks out against homophobia, gender discrimination, Shari'a etc.
He only holds the opinions he does on why people are radicalized because it makes him a living
I would guess that a significant percentage of the British Muslim community would not consider these beliefs to be 'extreme'.
That's probably the view of a cynic. A more realistic person might say he holds such views because he was once a radical and understands the mindset better than anyone, which is why his view is far more credible than anyone else's.
So unless you were weak enough to be radicalised you cant possibly understand whats going on in their heads?
I wouldn't put it that way, but certainly someone who has been on the extremist side surely knows a hell of a lot more than anyone else.
Absolutely not
Makes perfect sense. Why on earth would random people with no experience in the matter have better knowledge than someone who has actually been through it.
Then they need to change their ideas because they're at complete odds with our way of life.
Nonsense. Of course they would, they were there. Otherwise you might as well ask a virgin to explain sex to you.
Which is quite scary. Anyone with such views should be exposed and condemned.
Or get the best footballers to coach the game *pele*
He'll certainly do a better job of it than any of us will.
Statistics and history tell us otherwise.
Alright, show us these statistics and history. How many of the worlds top coaches didn't have a career in football?
We are not talking about random people, there are many people with experience of the Middle-East and the Islamic world who well understand what motivates extremists, without ever being extremists themselves
Is that what I said? There is a difference between best footballers and having a career in football or to go back to this majid guy. Difference between having been an extremist and having experienced extremism.
Even so called experts aren't as knowledgeable as those who are actually doing it. Surely you understand this.
It's what you were implying. That having a background in something doesn't help, when it really does.
Maajid's original TeD Talk. Anyone who takes issue with anything he is saying probably needs their head checked.
Am sure all the other speakers are knowledgeable about extremism as well, you don't have to personally experience it. Hence me saying best footballers not having played football in some capacity.
Khilafah, shari'a, and jihad - while Muslims will argue amongst themselves regarding the correct conditions under which each of these is to be conducted/implemented, and the finer details of each, they are pretty integral parts of Islamic doctrine. You won't find many, if any, pious Muslims condemning them unreservedly. That Nawaz is someone who does condemn them is obviously a source of the suspicion he is viewed with.