I've just heard on the wireless that if Liverpool win tonight they go level with us on points. Is this true?
If so when is that Dutch Cnut gonna be sacked?
If so when is that Dutch Cnut gonna be sacked?
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Were you the Cnut who said 'modern clubs' should rotate their manager every three years? If so you've a lot to answer for...
I'm not sure how it could fail. Failure would mean doing worse than 4 wins in 17... Some part of me says that it'd take us appointing Moyes' poodle to be risking that kind of form...
Let's turn this question around though, shall we? Can you name me some clubs - anywhere in Europe - that are enjoying sustained success through stability of the manager? Why do United fans struggle to accept that Fergie was a one-off? Look at Arsenal? What exactly have they won recently? There's a reason that most clubs change managers. It is that most managers can't - note, can't - sustain success over time. That's what makes Fergie a legend. Hoping to somehow blunder our way into another one would be folly of the worst kind. These things just don't happen every other day and no number of fans screaming "But, hey, we're the mighty Man United" is going to change this fact.
'fraid so. If they win, they'll be level on 30 points. Dunno what the GD is though. By the way, you and I must be the last men alive who call it a 'wireless'. Maybe @Stretford End Phil but even he may have graduated to the radio by now.
Its true and probably on the 17th when they beat us and go 4-5 points clear of us. If not then he won't be getting sacked this season.
So does that mean clubs should have a managerial rotation policy? As suggested earlier on...
Unless you threaten players with their futures, is it possible to do so? And if it's true, surely it's easy to get rid of the cause ie the manager?
PS you love a conspiracy theory.
The board has still to make an official statement either way.
Do we have any guarantee of that long term success? What is it? LVG's 'laying foundations'? Giggs and his 'United way'?
Do they?
I have already sold my soul..
In all seriousness, while Pep would be my first choice, I'd take Jose. Don't really like him but rather we got him than gambling on a more likeable bloke.
Nope. They don't need to say shit.
Nope, rotation can't be a "policy". Obviously, you always hope that a manager will continue to sustain success. That said, to blindly stand by in hope can't be a policy either. There are two extremes:
1. Real Madrid: Didn't win everything? Boom. You're sacked
2. Man United: Ooh. It's alright that we're shite; the United way is to stand by the manager.
I'm just saying that there is a middle ground and we are in desperate need of finding it. As one of the most glamourous names in football, there are few (would never say none)managers that would turn us down flatly. As such, we should adjust to life after Fergie...the way he adjusted to life after Ronaldo. The thing with one-offs is to recognise them for what they are - one-offs.
Nope.
I think its hard to argue that 'modern clubs' do keep managers for much beyond three years though. I doubt its a consistent policy, but Ferguson talked about 3 years being the lifespan of a team and the need to rejuvenate it after the third year and that being the hardest part of his job.
I suspect thats the real reason, really, why 'modern' managers don't tend to stay in jobs that long. I don't think they recognise that 'longevity' is something that needs to be strived for and isn't something that just happens. In a business where the manager is increasingly becoming a head coach and the DoF role is the one that ensures the 'stability' when things need to be 'freshened up' its the manager thats being replaced rather than members of the playing staff.
Seriously, who told you that it was a policy, let alone a good one?
Thats what I thought
If the manager is personally affected, they should support him publicly.
Should and have to are different. Their silence at the moment is telling
The question was do they "need" to say anything and the answer is no. They don't need to do anything, but that's not say they are right. They've not said anything so far and I don't foresee that changing.
I bet the mysterious men in the shadows told you to write that.
*twitches*
We could make a few up and get them in the papers. They look out for stuff like that.
Louis Van Gaal isn't Dutch at all, he was born and bred in Ashton under Lyne and his real name is David Ogden. He's been masquerading as a Dutch mastermind ever since he played his first game of Subbuteo whilst passing the Dutchie on the left hand side.
Fact!
Jesus Christ. I feel sick
I know the feeling, if our run of results had come a bit sooner in the season we'd nearly be kicking in the doors of OT with Klopp being carried above us.
Instead it's happened now, and Klopp is off the market, gone to that clownbox of a club, and we're left with some of our fans wearing Mourinho Man United scarves and singing his name outside OT, others genuinely suggesting Alan Pardew, Mark Hughes and Eddie Howe as our next manager.
F*ck my life
But sure we've clearly found that middle ground. As demonstrated by how we sacked Moyes. If it comes to it we will sack LVG. Maybe tonight if Liverpool go level with us on points. Jesus I'm still not over hearing that.
I heard on my ****** that we are now behind both Leicester and Crystal Palace!! Pretty sure it must be some sort of hoax though.
He doesn't square anything and he writes as if audiences are still confined by their regions. He's mid 40s and bitching about online fans - Luddite!!
His business riding off the back of United has always been my problem with him as a representative of the fans. Too squeaky clean and close to the court. He is not inclusive of all fans but sells his exclusive little clique as somehow the avant grade of United fandom. it's all holy Red Mancunians from Mancunia. His opening comments in 'United United' reflect this perspective, which is peddled in UWS with their redder than red, holier than though agenda. His days as a voice of the fans has passed.
Ironically, I don't know any local regular who's backing LVG. He's such a cock. Human nature is human nature regardless of where you're from.
How Utd have ended up in the structural mess that they are in is quite pathetic - and that's before even thinking about the manager. The club is a mess and that wont change until the footballing side of the "business" is prioritised.
I can handle that, there are always those clubs who fly high temporarily every year. But Liverpool, level on points with us. Literally about to overtake us. That's a firing offence.
I said when Klopp took over it would be only a matter of time before they catch us so this is no surprise really
It's funny as there was a point when Liverpool and Spurs' poor starts had opened up a decent gap between them and us and I thought we didn't have to worry about qualifying for top 4. If I was to put money on it now I'd say we won't get top 4.
That's not funny!
Is this because sport is very different in the U.S., where "winning things" is secondary? With the huge Premier League TV money, even qualifying for the Champions League is no longer as big a deal as it was, as far as the owners are concerned.
It's not even particularly because of Klopp either; they've barely improved. We've just been so awful that any side producing mid-table form that's remotely near us is able to catch up.
It's not because Klopp has done anything special. We have just been horrendously bad.
I was doing my BA in 2007 and for a operational management assignment i decided to write about United. Back then i predicted that replacing Fergie would be bigger task then serving a debt.
Saying that I don't believe Rodgers would have come out with 10 points from Spurs away, City away, Chelsea away and Leicester home. We're lucky they slipped up at Newcastle, Watford and obviously the miracle point at home to West Brom.
It was so predictable. So so predictable.
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