LV Monopoly Draft: R1 - Pat vs 3Amigos

With players at peak, who will win the match?

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mazhar13 said:
Specifically, I don't like the fact that Förster is on the left side as he is much better on the right side, and Nadal sticks out as a potential weak point there, able to be pulled out of position by Rivaldo.
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He's more than capable of playing on the left, so I don't think that's a big deal. There's a reason for it too: Maldini plays less conservatively than Djalma (relatively speaking), which means the logical choice is to have the strongest CB on that side given the quality of Mustard's wingers.

Nadal is obviously a weak point in this company, there's no doubt about that. As mentioned in the main thread, it's a shame they lost Hansen.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
There's no mention of it in the OP, so I don't quite see that.

I don't know how the amigos themselves originally regarded it, but to my thinking it's not an obvious setup in either direction (possession/counter). Could play out in various ways. They're well set to hit Mustard on the counter, I think, but they wouldn't necessarily be seeking actively to do so, as a dedicated tactic, if you will.
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Pat clearly states he is going for a high line and playing on the front foot. The Amigos are harder to work out, but they do mention the purely "offensive nature of what is essentially an attacking quartet further up the pitch".

So I have to assume the graft in that quartet has been overlooked in preparations, and the game then pans out the way Pat intends it to.

If I had to characterize the XI as such, I'd perhaps label it combative - plenty of fighters in the team, whose natural inclination won't be to sit back and be overly cagey - but that doesn't amount to playing a possession game as such.
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No, not a possession game, that's why I emphasise control/grip of the game and bypassing the midfield. Possession would be a by-product (spelling?) but not the end in itself.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Nadal is obviously a weak point in this company, there's no doubt about that. As mentioned in the main thread, it's a shame they lost Hansen.
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Woah! Completely forgot about that. More Hansen is exactly what KHF is missing from his partner.
 
antohan said:
So I have to assume the graft in that quartet has been overlooked in preparations, and the game then pans out the way Pat intends it to.
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They are essentially an offensive quartet, what else could they be? The point is that Robson and Stielike function as a foundation for said quartet, not that the quartet itself lack graft (they obviously don't).
 
That said, the above is obviously just my take on it - precisely what the amigos had in mind, I have no idea.

But the point in the OP has to do with overall balance, it isn't meant to indicate that the attackers are work shy.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
They are essentially an offensive quartet, what else could they be? The point is that Robson and Stielike function as a foundation for said quartet, not that the quartet itself lack graft (they obviously don't).
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Mmmm... Given they have about three paragraphs I'd expect each word to count.

Your literal interpretation makes the statement completely redundant (yes, they obviously are an attacking quartet). I look for something more meaningful there: they are talking about their midfield balance and wrap it up by referring to their purely offensive attacking quartet, which I take as an admission they have been asked to do sweet FA to help out the other two.

Edit: not that they are work shy, just haven't been specifically instructed and instead their prep has focused on attacking. Bad prep, poor use of player attributes, that's what I'm getting at.
 
antohan said:
Mmmm... Given they have about three paragraphs I'd expect each word to count.

Your literal interpretation makes the statement completely redundant (yes, they obviously are an attacking quartet). I look for something more meaningful there: they are talking about their midfield balance and wrap it up by referring to their purely offensive attacking quartet, which I take as an admission they have been asked to do sweet FA to help out the other two.
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They didn't write it - I did.

EAP asked me to throw together something, rather than giving Mustard a bye, and I spent roughly 2 minutes jotting down the OP.

What the paragraph translates to is simply: Robbo and Stielike will make sure there's a balance there: It's an offensive formation on paper, practically a 4-2-4 when on the attack - but there's balance to it with those two providing a base for the attacking quartet.

Of course I could have added several paragraphs about the particular qualities of the front four, but it's not my team and it was done in 2 minutes.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
They didn't write it - I did.

EAP asked me to throw together something, rather than giving Mustard a bye, and I spent roughly 2 minutes jotting down the OP.

What the paragraph translates to is simply: Robbo and Stielike will make sure there's a balance there: It's an offensive formation on paper, practically a 4-2-4 when on the attack - but there's balance to it with those two providing a base for the attacking quartet.

Of course I could have added several paragraphs about the particular qualities of the front four, but it's not my team and it was done in 2 minutes.
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:lol: OK, didn't know that. Well, it still points to a lack of prep doesn't it? :smirk:
 
antohan said:
:lol: OK, didn't know that. Well, it still points to a lack of prep doesn't it? :smirk:
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Aye - or no prep at all, even.

Don't know precisely what happened, but among other things one of the amigos was perma banned all of a sudden.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Aye - or no prep at all, even.

Don't know precisely what happened, but among other things one of the amigos was perma banned all of a sudden.
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The multi-manager format doesn't work, that's what it is.

They should have shadow drafted like me and now wouldn't have to deal with all this tactics and discussions.
 
antohan said:
The multi-manager format doesn't work, that's what it is.
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I don't even get what the format is supposed to be. I can understand the appeal of a well established partnership (like Skizzo/Pat), where the pair operate as one, more or less - but other than that it just seems like an unnecessary complication to me.

If the main reason for these multi-manager teams is simply that people want in on the action, we should definitely explore the shadow concept further.
 
Mani said:
Yeah watched that before but couldn't able to find decent read on him,is he a player similar to Carrick/S.Busquets?
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Plus, unlike Carrick and Busquets, who played as central defenders only in the time of need, he can also play as a center back and a sweeper naturally, so he'll help out Nadal with Rivaldo/Seeler (and with Forster's help too you can say that it's not a bad match-up).

And while we are comparing their overall game, Stielike also was very useful further forward and scored quite a few goals (even was Madrid's top scorer one season iirc) - definitely more so than Carrick or Busquets.

I'd actually rate him alongside Busquets quality-wise (different systems etc.), he was foreign player of the year in La Liga 4 times! That's quite an achievement for a defensive player. Absolutely brilliant for Monchengladbach too.
 
harms said:
Plus, unlike Carrick and Busquets, who played as central defenders only in the time of need, he can also play as a center back and a sweeper naturally, so he'll help out Nadal with Rivaldo/Seeler (and with Forster's help too you can say that it's not a bad match-up).
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I thought about that but, in fairness, he'd better stick to his midfield duties with Lothar bombing forward and ready to let fly from range.
 
antohan said:
I thought about that but, in fairness, he'd better stick to his midfield duties with Lothar bombing forward and ready to let fly from range.
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Yep, both Matthaus and Falcao need attention too. But with Stielike and his fullbacks they probably can limit the space in front of the goal, creating a formidable 5-men unit Maldini - Forster - Nadal - Stielike - Djalma, which is capable of withholding a serious amount of pressure. And if the long ranger from the midfield is Pat's best route to goal, I'd say that's a relative success (even if both of his midfielders are very threatening)
 
Chesterlestreet said:
If the main reason for these multi-manager teams is simply that people want in on the action, we should definitely explore the shadow concept further.
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I assume it's a balance between getting in on the action without necessarily being fully responsible for researching and picking players and arguing the toss in the match thread.

Personally I wouldn't be fixated on a 16-team draft. We could easily cater to everyone's interest and have more or fewer teams in the competition and set up a preliminary round accordingly.
 
Gio said:
I assume it's a balance between getting in on the action without necessarily being fully responsible for researching and picking players and arguing the toss in the match thread.

Personally I wouldn't be fixated on a 16-team draft. We could easily cater to everyone's interest and have more or fewer teams in the competition and set up a preliminary round accordingly.
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yeah that's a good option for full time managers that want in on the action and have the time to build their own team. Something like the old EC format where there are preliminary rounds. We can rank the teams and those which get fewer votes will go through a preliminary round or something.

But then there are also some that just don't the full time to dedicate to the whole route but still can participate to some extend as you said.
 
WTF so they had three managers and Chester had to do the write up.. WUT..
 
antohan said:
For a couple of rounds they also had three managers and no players.

The managers are AWOL, some inebriated guy on the stands gave the team their instructions... @Pat_Mustard if you lose this @Skizzo will stay with @Annahnomoss forever. And rightly so.
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They're competing with Hull City and Manchester United for the prize of worst run team in football. Chester are you wearing shorts?
 
antohan said:
For a couple of rounds they also had three managers and no players.

The managers are AWOL, some inebriated guy on the stands gave the team their instructions... @Pat_Mustard if you lose this @Skizzo will stay with @Annahnomoss forever. And rightly so.
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Raees said:
They're competing with Hull City and Manchester United for the prize of worst run team in football. Chester are you wearing shorts?
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:lol: Its been a shabby game all around in terms of manager involvement. I had my write up submitted last week, wasn't sure if this was going ahead at all at one stage yesterday, and feel asleep earlier when I had planned to make some posts. Cheers @Chesterlestreet for doing the Amigos write up and everyone else for stopping this from dying completely.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
:lol: Its been a shabby game all around in terms of manager involvement. I had my write up submitted last week, wasn't sure if this was going ahead at all at one stage yesterday, and feel asleep earlier when I had planned to make some posts. Cheers @Chesterlestreet for doing the Amigos write up and everyone else for stopping this from dying completely.
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It is a shame because both teams are excellent.. games actually been quite good, if only they had got involved. Hope you go through.
 
Physiocrat said:
Is it just me or would a slightly more defensive player next to Matthaus been better? Both players like to get forward. That maybe be compensated for by the wingers working hard but neither, at least to my knowledge, are grafters out wide.
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Its an attacking formaion, no question, but then my high-ish defensive line is a calculated risk to minimise the space behind my midfield when the Amigos regain possession. It could have been more watertight with a dedicated holding player alongside Matthaus, but it seemed overly cautious to me - Matthaus and Falcao are a good enough pair to go toe to toe with anyone, and they should have the edge over Stieleke and Robbo here.
 
Regarding Sjor's ban, Edgar asked the mods about this in the "About Recent Member Bans" thread in the Admin forum, and here is Damien's response to that:
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Accumulation of points. He'll be back in a couple of days.
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I guess I was wrong about Sjor. He's only temp banned and should be back either today or tomorrow.
 
mazhar13 said:
Regarding Sjor's ban, Edgar asked the mods about this in the "About Recent Member Bans" thread in the Admin forum, and here is Damien's response to that:

I guess I was wrong about Sjor. He's only temp banned and should be back either today or tomorrow.
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He always seemed mild mannered. Good to see he'll be back
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Its an attacking formaion, no question, but then my high-ish defensive line is a calculated risk to minimise the space behind my midfield when the Amigos regain possession. It could have been more watertight with a dedicated holding player alongside Matthaus, but it seemed overly cautious to me - Matthaus and Falcao are a good enough pair to go toe to toe with anyone, and they should have the edge over Stieleke and Robbo here.
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That makes sense although Cubillas will do more work deeper than would Rivaldo.

Still, it is mighty close. I like both teams a lot
 
Physiocrat said:
Is it just me or would a slightly more defensive player next to Matthaus been better? Both players like to get forward. That maybe be compensated for by the wingers working hard but neither, at least to my knowledge, are grafters out wide.
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Sorry, forgot to address the point about my wingers. Honestly, I don't really know if Dzajic was a notably hard worker out of possession, but Johnstone was a grafter for sure. A few GIFs to illustrate his brilliance as well for those who haven't seen him.

Against Real Madrid in 1967:

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And from the same match, a flavour of what he can do from central areas with this gorgeous dribble and assist for Lennox.

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Pat_Mustard said:
Cheers mate :). RedTiger's had some personal shit to deal with sadly and Sjor's ban is a mystery. feck knows where Marty is!
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Happy you won the game mate, we didnt deserve anything TBH and im not really sure what happened, hope its all okay with @RedTiger
As for my ban, it was just a bad timing, specially when you consider the reasons for the ban...what triggered the ban was me posting a happy gif in Schweini thread, i guess mods dont like Basti :(
So basically, Schweini getting unbanned got me banned :lol:
 
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