He's abusy lad is our Luke. Remember when he had long hair and used to sing for Nirvana?
Luke Shaw will not leave - Mourinho
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He's abusy lad is our Luke. Remember when he had long hair and used to sing for Nirvana?
Are you saying he is suicidal?!
Don't take it too far ffs.
Nevermind.
The potential is there in Shaw and for that short period of the season he was injured that he got to play it's arguable he was our best player, it's was such a horrendous injury and at such a young age the mental side of it would have been as big as the physical side.
People must often forget that he's still only 21 so is probably 5 or 6 years away from his peak years beginning so we've got to be a bit more patient with him, this season was just about getting back into being in the squad and training for a whole season but he's had a few niggly injuries as well.
If there's one manager in the world I'd want to build a defender up and make them the best defender they can be it'd be Jose so I think with a full pre season on the back of slowly being reintroduced to the squad this season will see Shaw improve dramatically from this season, Jose has shown with Mhkitaryan and Martial that his man management works and he's also managed to Jones into a bit of a rock and playing consecutively.
People must often forget that he's still only 21 so is probably 5 or 6 years away from his peak years beginning so we've got to be a bit more patient with him, this season was just about getting back into being in the squad and training for a whole season but he's had a few niggly injuries as well.
If there's one manager in the world I'd want to build a defender up and make them the best defender they can be it'd be Jose so I think with a full pre season on the back of slowly being reintroduced to the squad this season will see Shaw improve dramatically from this season, Jose has shown with Mhkitaryan and Martial that his man management works and he's also managed to Jones into a bit of a rock and playing consecutively.
Mourinho has a different concept of how full-backs should play. I think Mourinho's concern is more of defensive balance. Valencia being an ex-winger as we know is very attack minded which warrants the left back to be defensively astute. Shaw is also by his nature an attacking player. Hence, Mourinho prefers Blind, Rojo and Darmian all more defensively inclined with strict instructions to limit their attacking instinct.
There is also the issue of Martial, and Rashford on the left not great at tracking back, which leaves an instinctive attacking player like Shaw vulnerable if the opposition broke with speed. IIRC we have suffered in a few matches due to cover when Shaw, Martial or Rashford have played on the left.
There is also the issue of Martial, and Rashford on the left not great at tracking back, which leaves an instinctive attacking player like Shaw vulnerable if the opposition broke with speed. IIRC we have suffered in a few matches due to cover when Shaw, Martial or Rashford have played on the left.
He definitely was our best-attacking outlet prior to his injury, Penna. That's likely due to the defensive system LvG employed (over use defensive midfielders). He had the licence to go forward without the extra burden of defensive duties.
why so serious..
Not seen when hes played? he definitely hasn't been fine.
True to an extent, but I think Shaw's been arguably better defensively in his United career than offensively. At least in terms of output, where attacking wise he hasn't been impressive at all despite having the tools to get into good positions.
IMO this is the same sort of message Jose's tried to get across to Mkhitaryan, Smalling and Martial - it's about application, about putting your body on the line, about not coasting in any sort of way.
I think Shaw will come good and reestablish himself as the first choice left back before the season is over.
Oh, I do not agree
Great to hear.
I'm just after looking though his thread
Evreryone was delighted with his form early season. It wa even more positive then I remember
Then when he got dropped, there was a few rumours and some of his performances suffered. And in turn most of our fans decided he was shite after all
I don't care how anyone can spin this, JM"s treatment of Shaw has been very poor
But the problem is we just can't know. Perhaps this is excactly what Shaw needs to start applying himself properly - perhaps he's already doing that and José's wrong.
Perhaps this is just José's theory of how to get players to perform at their maximum - and perhaps this method isn't the best in any given scenario. Perhaps it is in Shaw's case. Perhaps José doesn't think people that can't respond to his tough love are worth persevering with, but that's his prerogative as a manager.
The point is you can't just categorically state that José's wrong with how he's dealing with Shaw, just like I can't categorically state that he's right. We don't know the things he do about their application and their performance levels in training, or know their mentality like someone who works with them day in-day out does.
What I do know, is Martial, Smalling and Mkhitaryan - along with a bunch of other players - are in the side and performing very well. A lot of players have been playing better than under previous managers. And we're obviously getting places under Mourinho, that's been clear to see since early on in the season if one bothered to have a look.
Based on the progress I see under Mourinho, I'm inclined to trust him on this. You're not, and that's fine, but I don't understand how you can say that his treatment of Shaw has been poor full stop. You don't know.
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Agreed. Don't think we'll see much of him until next season. Mourinho likes a consistent back four so Blind will likely be first choice with Darmian the bench option as he can play both LB and RB. Shaw should play today and maybe next round if we get a favourable draw but other than that i think Mourinho's big concern is with Shaw mentally so will give him time to get in the right frame of mind.
His form was indifferent for a few weeks and we got excited about him seemingly not losing his pace or power and then he had a couple of poor games from what I remember. When Mourinho called him out, I think after the Watford game, I had absolutely no qualms about dropping him. I really don't see how Mourinho is treating him poorly, he hasn't been good this season and has lots of niggling injuries apparently, I have hopes for him next season though.
Yep, people were raving about him up until the City game, where he had to go off. Then the next match was Watford where admittedly he was poor and then everyone turned on him when he was dropped like you say.
Honestly i don't understand those that day they're relieved to hear this or are ecstatic about what Jose says. We've been through this twice already this season and those that thought Mourinho was forcing these players out have been proved spectacularly wrong. Do people not learn?
Great for us and Shaw, awful for media and Jose haters. They will find something in no time I'm sure.
I really don't care about Luke Shaw...except he's English. He needs to be on the squad if for no other reason. It's already been proven that the defense can be good without him. I'm talking Clean Sheet good even without Luke Shaw playing a minute.
I was wrong about wanting Smalling gone, so I'll hold my tongue about Shaw leaving...but seriously. He's currently a player that isn't needed except for his country of birth.
I was wrong about wanting Smalling gone, so I'll hold my tongue about Shaw leaving...but seriously. He's currently a player that isn't needed except for his country of birth.
That completely ignores his previous good performances for both us and Southampton. Those performances, coupled with his age, are possible indicators of high potential. That's enough of a reason to not want him gone.
And while I agree that our defence has looked strong without him, it's always the left side that looks weakest.
Talk is cheap.... if anything people seem to fall for Mourinho's manipulations far too easily.
We'll see. Why rush a guy who, last time we saw him, was unfit, getting skinned by shit players and has just been injured again after recovering once from a severe injury. Mourinho is a straight talker, if he says Shaw is doing well and isn't going anywhere then i believe him.
He will most likely getting Jose's 2nd chance next season, if he still can't make improvement in both of his fitness and mentality then I can't see Jose is giving him 3rd chance in a row.
However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't sign a new proper left back this summer in order to push Luke Shaw.
However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't sign a new proper left back this summer in order to push Luke Shaw.
@marjen I agree with your analysis of Shaw.
Pre injury, he was the ideal Jose full back for me, very similar to Ashley Cole. He was rock solid defensively and it was going forwards where he was in need of development.
That said, just before the injury, his attacking game was coming on quite nicely.. he was dribbling with the ball with more aggression and you felt he was going to make the next step of being a proper threat on the ball.
The injury has basically killed him both defensively and going forwards. Now he looks like a liability defensively, which for me was the bedrock of his game.
It will be very very difficult for him to get back into Mourinho's good books. For me there is still some bad blood to do with him signing for United over Chelsea, which meant Jose wasn't sold on him in the first place but there seems to be a personality clash and thirdly, Shaw's lack of application and mental toughness all leads to an exit rather than a glorious return to the first team.
One thing is for sure, if he can recapture that performance level of pre-injury, he is no doubt a Mourinho style full back for me.
Pre injury, he was the ideal Jose full back for me, very similar to Ashley Cole. He was rock solid defensively and it was going forwards where he was in need of development.
That said, just before the injury, his attacking game was coming on quite nicely.. he was dribbling with the ball with more aggression and you felt he was going to make the next step of being a proper threat on the ball.
The injury has basically killed him both defensively and going forwards. Now he looks like a liability defensively, which for me was the bedrock of his game.
It will be very very difficult for him to get back into Mourinho's good books. For me there is still some bad blood to do with him signing for United over Chelsea, which meant Jose wasn't sold on him in the first place but there seems to be a personality clash and thirdly, Shaw's lack of application and mental toughness all leads to an exit rather than a glorious return to the first team.
One thing is for sure, if he can recapture that performance level of pre-injury, he is no doubt a Mourinho style full back for me.
@marjen has nailed it here. I was frustrated at the weekend when Shaw wasn't in the starting 11 but at the same time, I have no idea as to whether this is the manager at fault, or the player, or neither.
To claim anything with any degree of certainty here is daft.
To claim anything with any degree of certainty here is daft.
That may be a good confidence boost for the lad before the upcoming fixture congestion! Looks like Jose also knows how to publicly back a player (except Zlatan). Its a rare occurrence so we should enjoy it
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Really happy to hear that from the boss. The young is lad and has a lot of potential. Plus, Valencia is getting old and we need someone like Luke Shaw. Before he got injured, he played a really nice football, and he was going forward causing troubles to the opposing defenders.
Hope he'll reach his best next season.
Hope he'll reach his best next season.