Lucas Paquetá | Charged with misconduct (allegedly deliberately getting booked)

Ibi Dreams said:
That's what I first suspected. There doesn't seem to be any worthwhile gain for him, so I think it could be more about what he had to lose if he didn't do it

If it's not that then he's really stupid
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I'd say helping your friends and family, as well as fake friends/entourage to enrich themselves can be a gain in the mind of some. Some people are easily influenced and do stupid things just to feel liked or admired. Of course he could just give them money or expensive gifts, and plenty of footballers burn through a ton of cash that way. You see that quite often.

If someone is making threats then he absolutely has to produce evidence at this stage, and the police will likely get involved. No other way out.

Hopefully he doesn't make up a story like that if it's not reality or he's even more fecked.
 
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Sara125 said:
I was having a nosey in the hammers subreddit and there’s threads from a few months ago in which fans started to notice his sudden aggression…though, of course, no one boiled it down to being bet related they all thought he was maybe trying to force an exit :lol:
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I guess the reports of their summer action being tied to Paquetá's expected big move to City is going down well with them after this news broke.
 
This sort of stuff happens all the time by the way, usually it's just not so blatant in terms of how often, the betting patterns and the obvious link to the player with location of the majority of the bets.
 
All down to greedy betting companies offering odds on throw ins, pens, corners, cards….
 
The Purley King said:
I work for an online gambling company.
We have teams of people that monitor this type of thing.
You might get away with a couple of £50 punts at 4/1 or something for someone to get booked, but anything meaningful on a market where usually nobody bets large amounts immediately draws attention. Or if a certain market suddenly has loads of people lumping on a certain result when usually it’s relatively quiet will be an alert.
Short answer = it’s impossible to get away with this nowadays at least online.
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Do the betting companies still pay those bets?
 
There was a bit of a funny one about ten years ago.

Rumours started going around that a friendly between Scotland and Nigeria was going to be fixed. They were so prevalent that mainstream news media was reporting on it before the game happened and bookmakers were looking into it although they didn't notice any suspicious betting patterns.

When the rumours were in full flow someone said it was going to be 2-2 on social media and it got a lot of attention. They later claimed it was as a joke.

What was the final score? 2-2. Scotland went 2-1 up when the Nigerian goalkeeper chucked the ball into his own net with Nigeria equalising in injury time. The whole thing looked so dodgy but nothing came of it.
 
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I don't have any knowledge regarding sports betting at all - so I am wondering with the new cases now emerging within the very top of the players, is there something changed?
Whether the footballing world takes it now more seriously to fight against betting or is it just a coincidence that those cases from England & Italy now emerged so close to each other?
 
Obviously it's an incredibly stupid thing to do and Paquetá will deservedly be banned for a long time, but also there's a question to ask of the betting companies for creating these sorts of markets.

For all we know Paquetá could have been targeted by a gang and had threats made against his family members. I doubt he needs the money so what else would motivate him to do this?
 
Adisa said:
He’s finished.
The bigger issue here are the betting companies. How are we not having this conversation at a national level? They’re poison.
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It's been utterly ridiculous for ages that you can bet on isolated incidents like throw in time, yellow cards etc.

Le Tissier admitted he'd tried the throw in fiddle so its inevitable loads of others did the same.
But maybe not quite as blatant as whole towns getting in on action.
Just the odd pal lumping on.

I know someone with a direct link to an ex prem player who has since been a manager. She'd never give me info of who he was next joining though! But joking aside betting is an absolute horrible thing and one I stayed clear of from an early age.
 
MegadrivePerson said:
Obviously it's an incredibly stupid thing to do and Paquetá will deservedly be banned for a long time, but also there's a question to ask of the betting companies for creating these sorts of markets.

For all we know Paquetá could have been targeted by a gang and had threats made against his family members. I doubt he needs the money so what else would motivate him to do this?
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More money.
This is an industry where players on 100k a week are still greedily trying to engineer a move for 120k a week.

Its when they give it the "for my family's future" cliche that gets me.
 
antohan said:
You are always as strong as your weakest link. Imagine how weak a link the dumbest member of his family is, now add his place of birth being Rio (I hope that's not "the village" :lol:)
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I think it's a little island or something, not the whole of Rio haha
 
maniak said:
Do the betting companies still pay those bets?
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I'm not sure if they are paid out or not, but there are established reporting lines into sporting integrity bodies at all different sports if we notice anything suspicious happening in a market. Like some random snooker match in a 2nd rate tournament usually takes £4k worth of bets and suddenly one takes £50k then that is looked into closely. As with most fraudulent behaviour, if you don't attempt to get greedy you might get away with it for a little while, but from the sounds of it Paqueta was not in the least bit subtle about it.
Very strange behaviour from him for comparative peanuts, risking his entire career to ensure a few friends/family members get a couple of hundred quid each. I do wonder if it was a blackmail situation as has been suggested on this thread.
 
Total winnings of less than a week of his salary. Something doesn’t add up.
 
Maluco said:
Total winnings of less than a week of his salary. Something doesn’t add up.
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My thoughts are that his only defense and the only (logical) reason he would do it, is that he was being extorted somehow.

He could also just be an idiot of course.
 
Mb194dc said:
My thoughts are that his only defense and the only (logical) reason he would do it, is that he was being extorted somehow.

He could also just be an idiot of course.
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Yeah I think he’s probably just thick. It wouldn’t be unusual for someone to have no comprehension of the scale or technology behind these industries.

Likely seen an easy way to make people a few quid, and it naturally leaked to more than originally thought.
 
Everything about it seems too fishy to be that straight forward. I guess we hear sooner or later.
 
Maluco said:
Total winnings of less than a week of his salary. Something doesn’t add up.
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It's his mates that have been benefitting, not himself placing the bets. Wouldn't be surprised if his career is over when a punishment is sent down. Bradley Wood got a 6-year ban for getting booked on two occasions and came to £10k in winnings, although he was also done for betting on football.
 
Play stupid games and all that.
 
strandty said:
It's his mates that have been benefitting, not himself placing the bets. Wouldn't be surprised if his career is over when a punishment is sent down. Bradley Wood got a 6-year ban for getting booked on two occasions and came to £10k in winnings, although he was also done for betting on football.
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But even at that though, if it was mates and family, he could have given them 4 days of his salary and avoided losing his entire career. It doesn’t make sense for that little money.
 
GDaly95 said:
So if the FA ban him for life can he just leave England?
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Wouldnt think so, a ban like that normally carries through member associations of Uefa Id imagine. Pogba for example was suspended for his opening United game because a red card from Juve carried over. (And thats only a red card).
 
Robertd0803 said:
Wouldnt think so, a ban like that normally carries through member associations of Uefa Id imagine. Pogba for example was suspended for his opening United game because a red card from Juve carried over. (And thats only a red card).
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Saudi then?
 
If he is doing this under duress he has my sympathy.
However how it was done (in an incredibly amateur fashion) makes me think he’s just stupid.
Proper fraud of this ilk does not happen at high street bookies (where you will 100% get caught) it’s done via black market bookies that are not subject to regulation.
 
Mb194dc said:
My thoughts are that his only defense and the only (logical) reason he would do it, is that he was being extorted somehow.

He could also just be an idiot of course.
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I might be wrong, but I'd have thought that if it was extortion then the bets would likely be much higher.

Suppose some low level individuals could pull it off and then tell their mates, but it's the kind of thing I'd associate with an organised gang who had a bit of a reputation. They'd be more of a threat to begin with and have the means to exploit it to a larger degree.
 
This is dumb on a mythical level. Runing your career for nothing and no reason.
 
All for probably not even his 1 month salary
 
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