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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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Even with Moyes sacked, we still have valencia young fletcher cleverley playing in our team, anderson and fellaini are still on the books. Its taken 2 very poor results for the club to go all out spending on players, if di maria is signed we still need to solve the problem in CM, has you cannot get any worse than fletcher and cleverley, that is if anderson and fellaini started. And the rooney RVP axis is an even bigger issue
Moyes was part of the problem, but to solve the real problem, there is allot of players need shifting who failed us last season, Di Maria is a start in giving us more pace hurting teams, which strengthens our weakened area out wide
3-5-2 may not be the right way. But it isn't the reason to how bad it's looking. It's looked like that before, in a regular 4-4-2.
He was part of it, and made it worse. He certainly wasn't the solution.
If only Moyes was still our manager.
I really wish people would stop with this. Can anyone honestly put their hand on their heart and say they wish we still had Moyes as our manager?
People need to let it go, sure our squad has problems, problems that stemmed as far back as 2010 when we let the likes of Ronaldo and Tevez leave. But does anyone really think Moyes would have done any better? A man who brought Fellini to our club? A man who gave Nani a 5 year contract and barely played him? A man who seemed to alienate himself from every player in our squad bar Rooney? A man who saw us as underdogs at home/aspire to be like City? A man who was so small time he thought he could lure players like Bale, Ronaldo and Fabregas?
Sorry went off on a bit of a rant there but even after a performance like that today i still wouldnt want Moyes! Also lets not forget the squad he had boasted the likes of Rio, Vidic, Evra and Carrick (granted still here but injuried) to name but a few.
Listening to him speak is very reassuring, thank you LVG.
Once he gets the squad balanced and some of the injured players back i fully expect the performances to improve.
Once he gets the squad balanced and some of the injured players back i fully expect the performances to improve.
I can!
What I meant was, sacking moyes was not going to get away from the Problems the squad has got in one season, many think moyes gone we will be like the fergie years again.
You also forget the squad moyes inherited all these guys were coming to the end of their careers, Vidic had a bit more in him, but Ferdinand Evra giggs were leaving. And moyes may have been sacked, but there still was fletcher Anderson fellaini Cleverley Valencia nani young Zaha on our books, and how to replace Ferdinand Vidic Evra scholes giggs
And what was wrong in moyes thinking he could get Ronaldo bale cesc? Many bashed him that he never showed ambition, because of his Everton days. and it made no difference has the club still did not solve the greater issue this summer, the defence and midfield. Only now are united paying for di Maria, but the problems of the squad run deeper than david moyes.
So funny! Scouser wishes Moyes was still our manager. Funny joke that I hear everyday and never gets old because it's original and funny Grim!!
Grim!!
Grim!!
Van Gaal's been saying for weeks that it'll take at least three months to get the team playing to his 'philosophy' and also, it'll be even longer to build the squad that he wants.
He knows what he's doing and could clearly see the deficiencies, even if we as fans, myself included, hoped he could come in and wave a magic wand and it'll all be a quick fix. It's now clear it won't.
This time next year, he'll have the squad he wants and I'm 100% sure he'll sort us out in the long term. It'll probably just be a bit painful in the interim until he can really stamp his authority on the squad though.
Edit - By hook or by crook, if we can get back into the Champions League for next year, which looks miles off at the moment, that'll certainly help.
He knows what he's doing and could clearly see the deficiencies, even if we as fans, myself included, hoped he could come in and wave a magic wand and it'll all be a quick fix. It's now clear it won't.
This time next year, he'll have the squad he wants and I'm 100% sure he'll sort us out in the long term. It'll probably just be a bit painful in the interim until he can really stamp his authority on the squad though.
Edit - By hook or by crook, if we can get back into the Champions League for next year, which looks miles off at the moment, that'll certainly help.
OneUnited24 vs Oneunited26
That doesn't look strange at all.
That doesn't look strange at all.
@OneUnited24 and @Oneunited26 are arguing. This will be an easy discussion to keep track of then.
edit: damnit @Kostur
edit: damnit @Kostur
I am glad moyes is gone, moyes was sacked, but Cleverley fletcher Anderson fellaini young nani Valencia are still here, and that is the problem. Factoring a defence that is all over the place, riddled with a combination of injury prone and inexperienced defenders, so yes I am glad moyes is gone but the problems remain.
Yea what were the chances of that, one has to change their username lol
Gonna try and change myn
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Exactly, Moyes was one problem solved, there are like a ton of other problems to be solved and the club is taking ages to do this and taking so long is just unacceptable.
Why do we have to do the entire exercise of watching players like Cleverley, Fletcher etc try and fail all over again, they should have been shipped out ages ago and we should have signed decent midfielders ages ago. Now LVG can't solve all our problems in a signle summer, but he could atleast try solving a couple. We have a few injurries and we are down to the squad of today, in my book that isn't solving our problems, we all knew this could happen if we didn't sign players, we didn't sign them and boom we are here, deficient squad for the start of the season and 1/6 versus Swansea and Sunderland, unacceptable !
And one of the big things we were raving about during preseason was that the squad so look so dynamic and alive with new energy, LVG was the solution because he could let most of the players we discarded under Moyes play much better, like reborn players. Well were the feck is that promise now, he can do it versus in some preseason competition in the USA but not when it matters versus Swansea and Sunderland ? I didn't see any improvement, whatsoever and it is worring me because we have such a long way to go to reach the level we should be at. I really hoped what we saw in the USA was more than just a flash in the pan, I was really hopping LVG already did a number on players like Fletcher and Young that looked good versus Madrid, Liverpool, Roma but then today when it matters, Ashley still can't beat his man and Fletcher can't even control a ball, let alone play ! Wtf is wrong ? If these players aren't good enough, we shouldn't spend another breath on them and if they are than we should definitley be seeing beter performances than today. Things just don't add up in my head, I need to start seeing some real improvement, be it with new players, be it with this bunch and I need to see it on the pitch, in the PL, were it counts, until I start seeing some of that I don't know if LVG deserves our blind support and all the time in the world...
I was here first!
What I mean is the squad moyes took over was slightly better than the one LvG did because moyes had quality defenders who could cover for our failings in midfield - exactly how saf 'solved' the issue. However, moyes didn't manage to keep any of them onside which resulted in this slide. He didn't help matters by bitching every week and still buying poorly in the transfer windows.
My point regarding the bale, Ronaldo & Fabregas deals was it just showed how naive he was. By actually believing these players would all come and putting his eggs all in one basket we screwed up so bad we ended up scrabbling to sign someone and ended up with Fellini. I also got the feeling that he only wanted to go after these players for his ego and build himself up - ie look at these top players that want to play for me. Which is exactly why I think he went for mata even thought he was not what we needed.
You're right whoever took the job at OT has to rebuild but I refuse to believe the man to do it was moyes. And think even with our current troubles we are in better hands than dithering dave
I was here first!
What I mean is the squad moyes took over was slightly better than the one LvG did because moyes had quality defenders who could cover for our failings in midfield - exactly how saf 'solved' the issue. However, moyes didn't manage to keep any of them onside which resulted in this slide. He didn't help matters by bitching every week and still buying poorly in the transfer windows.
My point regarding the bale, Ronaldo & Fabregas deals was it just showed how naive he was. By actually believing these players would all come and putting his eggs all in one basket we screwed up so bad we ended up scrabbling to sign someone and ended up with Fellini. I also got the feeling that he only wanted to go after these players for his ego and build himself up - ie look at these top players that want to play for me. Which is exactly why I think he went for mata even thought he was not what we needed.
You're right whoever took the job at OT has to rebuild but I refuse to believe the man to do it was moyes. And think even with our current troubles we are in better hands than dithering dave
Well I'm changing my username as I feel like I am arguing with myself haha
Serious note, the club have still acted all summer about their approach to transfers, and it's costing us
Agree with this 100%.
Only idiots are doubting Van Gaal at the moment
I'm only unhappy with him that players like Valencia, Cleverley, Young, Fletcher, Anderson & Fellaini are still at the club......even the Glazer's are knowing that this players aren't United quality.....sell this six players and buy Carvalho
I'm only unhappy with him that players like Valencia, Cleverley, Young, Fletcher, Anderson & Fellaini are still at the club......even the Glazer's are knowing that this players aren't United quality.....sell this six players and buy Carvalho
This is true. I also see people saying "If Moyes' side had played like that" etc. when in fact this still is Moyes' side. The manager has taken over a squad who finished 7th so it is going to take some time. He's only had a few weeks with the full squad and we also were down to the bare bones yesterday. Moyes would have said some shit like "I thought we played well but we'll keep trying" but at least LVG can see what's wrong and has ideas on changing the way we play.
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Must be as frustrating to him as it is to us that we're not selling our deadwood. Woody/the club is plowing through getting signings done but don't realize that half our problems actually lie within the club. It makes sense that LVG said it is just as hard to buy and sell players, he can't get rid of some players soon enough.
The decision to play Januzaj at CM was utterly bizarre when there was a more obvious alternative in Rooney available. Even Moyes saw that plain enough
He started Young and Valencia together. LVG OUT!!!
Maybe he wanted the goal threat of Rooney up front? It wasn't ideal but Fletcher was shit and there weren't many alternatives. I certainly didn't think Adnan was any worse.
I find it sort of funny that people who were willing to give Moyes another year and calling it premature to sack him earlier are pretty much the same people who are now ready to judge van Gaal after two games. It'll take a while to fix the damage, this team is mentally done and needs a while to sort themselves out, van Gaal himself has said it will take 3 months to get the team playing his way. If we're into March/April and showing the same sort of football then we will probably have to accept that van Gaal cannot fix us either, he was incapable of doing that at Barcelona second time round and struggled at AZ early on too.
Adnan was ok but he's the only player we have who's actually capable of running at defenders with any sort of pace and guile. To see him being reduced to playing sideways passes to Valencia and Young was painful.
Did Van Gaal waste weeks "evaluating" this lot? Have their individual performances so far under him been any different at all from what we saw last season?
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His comments from recent interviews about knowing the deficiencies of the squad the and areas which he would like to have reinforcements, suggest to me that his comments of taking a month for "evaluation" is just smokes and fire and a way to buy some time for Ed.
No white text?
His idiot of a predecessor has handed him an incredibly difficult job. He does, however, need to move away from this 352 and get our new signings fit and ready to make an impact within the team. For all the stick our squad gets, it's only couple of new faces away from looking rather settled - for a 433, at least. We don't have the wing backs for his 352.
Evra, Rio and Vidic could not be trusted to provide defensive stability anymore. Could make a case for Vidic if he stayed free of injuries. But he certainly wasn't a rock last season.I was here first!
What I mean is the squad moyes took over was slightly better than the one LvG did because moyes had quality defenders who could cover for our failings in midfield - exactly how saf 'solved' the issue. However, moyes didn't manage to keep any of them onside which resulted in this slide. He didn't help matters by bitching every week and still buying poorly in the transfer windows.
My point regarding the bale, Ronaldo & Fabregas deals was it just showed how naive he was. By actually believing these players would all come and putting his eggs all in one basket we screwed up so bad we ended up scrabbling to sign someone and ended up with Fellini. I also got the feeling that he only wanted to go after these players for his ego and build himself up - ie look at these top players that want to play for me. Which is exactly why I think he went for mata even thought he was not what we needed.
You're right whoever took the job at OT has to rebuild but I refuse to believe the man to do it was moyes. And think even with our current troubles we are in better hands than dithering dave
Well, Ed has 7 days 14 hours and a few minutes of that time left!
It is way too early to write off the 3-5-2 but I wish we return to a back 4 once di Maria plays
DDG
Rafa-Evans-Rojo-Shaw
Carrick-Herrera
diMaria-Mata-Januzaj
Rooney
let's hope we can also get a defensive mid or Vidal in
DDG
Rafa-Evans-Rojo-Shaw
Carrick-Herrera
diMaria-Mata-Januzaj
Rooney
let's hope we can also get a defensive mid or Vidal in
You don't know how much pre-season threw him a bit. Not that they were all of a sudden world beaters, but that they were learning the system he wanted quicker than he thought. Unfortunately for him as soon as they have started playing competitive games some have shown it will take weeks for them to pick it up. Some might not. He must have been impressed with Phil Jones yesterday. I can understand why he would want Daley Blind/ DeJong as they will understand what he wants and he won't have to spend weeks drumming it into them.
Well, Ed has 7 days 14 hours and a few minutes of that time left!
Buying time and keeping pressure off is one thing, fulfilling that expectation is another thing altogether and it's an understatement to say that Ed has underwhelmed.
Still watching this space Ed....
Plus he needs to show that the sack he exhibited to the Bayern dressing room still exists by decisively dealing with the RvP, Rooney and Mata issue. At this moment playing all three is resulting in all of them looking poor and it's killing the team.
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