Liverpool 2024-25 | Inevitably winning a..."treble"

Our worst defeat in terms of scoreline that I can remember was a 4-0 loss at Old Trafford in 02/03. Hyypia was sent off 5 minutes in.

You never rocked up to Anfield and thumped us though.

We did not. Our best Anfield performance I can remember was during Van Gaal's 1st season, but that was still only a 2-1 win.
 
Basically everything has gone against both City and Arsenal this season and everything has gone for Liverpool. It is what it is.

I think Slot deserves a huge amount of credit but IMO they are not at the level of Klopp's top sides, they are just a very good side that has kept almost its entire contingent of field players reasonably healthy while catching a bunch of other breaks. They caught Arsenal without Odegaard or Saliba and were still outplayed until Gabriel got sent off, caught City at their absolute nadir and of course with huge injury issues, caught Spurs missing four of their starting back five, Chelsea was also missing two of their starting backline against them, the match at Goodison came at a point when Everton was hitting some form and would have been very tough under the weather conditions but it got postponed, etc.

You still have to win the games and they are doing it in style so I would not put any asterisks next to a title. But its a reminder that in normal times (ie, without Pep's peak City around setting crazy standards) winning the title is mainly about being one of the 2-3 best sides on paper and then just having the best luck among that group in terms of keeping your side healthy and catching other breaks over the course of the season.
That may be true, but they had to compete with Pep's City at their strongest to be fair. 2 times lost the league after going above 90 pts. to City, so I guess this year it evens out that there are no great opponents (for now).
 
I'd call us utterly reliant on a seven man band except Kelleher steps in pretty well for Alisson.

I deliberately left out Allison cos Kelleher did a good job as stand in.

But if you lost those other 6 players, you'd be f**ked.
 
Exactly. Even when Liverpool were shit they gave us a good game. We’ve just rolled over.

That's true. I was thinking that in 2021/2022 when Liverpool won 5-0 at Old Trafford and 4-0 at Anfield, that previously poor Liverpool teams gave far superior Man Utd teams under Fergie much tougher games than that.

But at least when Man Utd were in the ascendary, they racked up league titles for fun, and only finished behind Liverpool once in the league between 1991/1992 and 2012/2013 inclusive (2001/2002 under Houllier / Thompson).

If Liverpool win the title this season, they'll still 'only' have won 2 more titles than far inferior Man Utd teams in recent years. They'll have won the same number of league titles in 35 years, as Man Utd did during Fergie's last 3 years with weak midfield options for their high standards during that period.

I read that throughout the 80s Liverpool only beat Man Utd in the league twice, despite clearly being far superior during the decade, which was pretty crazy.
 
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That's true. I was thinking that in 2021/2022 when Liverpool won 5-0 at Old Trafford and 4-0 at Anfield, that previously poor Liverpool teams gave far superior Man Utd teams under Fergie much tougher games than that.

But at least when Man Utd were in the ascendary, they racked up league titles for fun, and only finished behind Liverpool once in the league between 1991/1992 and 2012/2013 inclusive (2001/2002 under Houllier / Thompson).

If Liverpool win the title this season, they'll still 'only' have won 2 more titles than far inferior Man Utd teams in recent years. They'll have won the same number of league titles in 35 years, as Man Utd did during Fergie's last 3 years with weak midfield options for their high standards during that period.

I read that throughout the 80s Liverpool only beat Man Utd in the league twice, despite clearly being far superior during the decade, which was pretty crazy.
Were they not robbed of 2 prem titles?How can we not take peps title wins seriously because of cheating,while also pretending lfc were not robbed.Then there is their ucl win which you purposely left out.By twisting things we gain nothing and we just look like a more desperate and sad fanbase,with each passing season.
 
Were they not robbed of 2 prem titles?How can we not take peps title wins seriously because of cheating,while also pretending lfc were not robbed.Then there is their ucl win which you purposely left out.By twisting things we gain nothing and we just look like a more desperate and sad fanbase,with each passing season.
‘They’ again. Your posting history is hilarious, why not just admit you support them?
 
That may be true, but they had to compete with Pep's City at their strongest to be fair. 2 times lost the league after going above 90 pts. to City, so I guess this year it evens out that there are no great opponents (for now).

That's fair. Those sides that lost narrowly to City were both incredible teams, in my view far stronger than this year's Liverpool. Football is weird and there is a lot of luck involved.

I think Liverpool this year will end up very similar to 2012-13 United - a very good but not great side that walks the league partly due to performing well, especially with a forward who can't stop scoring, and partly due to all main rivals having a down year.
 
Were they not robbed of 2 prem titles?How can we not take peps title wins seriously because of cheating,while also pretending lfc were not robbed.Then there is their ucl win which you purposely left out.By twisting things we gain nothing and we just look like a more desperate and sad fanbase,with each passing season.
‘He’ supports Blackburn.

‘You’ support Liverpool.

With every passing season why do you look a sad and desperate fanbase?
 
Don't think they'll win the quadruple. But they look on course to do the double - the PL and CL. They are a well run club and sign top notch players.
 
Don't think they'll win the quadruple. But they look on course to do the double - the PL and CL. They are a well run club and sign top notch players.

I can see a PL and EFL double. CL is still too early to call, we’re not even at the knockout rounds.
 
Were they not robbed of 2 prem titles?How can we not take peps title wins seriously because of cheating,while also pretending lfc were not robbed.Then there is their ucl win which you purposely left out.By twisting things we gain nothing and we just look like a more desperate and sad fanbase,with each passing season.

This is true. You are a sad fan base, Liverpool fan pretending to be ManUtd fan to praise Liverpool must be real sad moment. Don't you guys have any shame?
 
First real title in the Premier League era. Had to happen eventually I suppose.
 
Dont care what people say, id sooner see it go to a rival that is actually a football club. If your rivals winning it cant motivate a club then nothing will from our point of view - but city winning it celebrates cheating
 
One of those title-winners that has made the league look incredibly easy. Well deserved
 
Feck Liverpool and their cnut fans

Yes they will finally win the title now that City have collapsed which only proves Klopp was an overrated wanker and also who gives a feck
 
That's fair. Those sides that lost narrowly to City were both incredible teams, in my view far stronger than this year's Liverpool. Football is weird and there is a lot of luck involved.

I think Liverpool this year will end up very similar to 2012-13 United - a very good but not great side that walks the league partly due to performing well, especially with a forward who can't stop scoring, and partly due to all main rivals having a down year.
While I agree they don't look quite as good as the best Klopp sides, I think you're madly underrating them. They are very close to that level
 
While I agree they don't look quite as good as the best Klopp sides, I think you're madly underrating them. They are very close to that level
Yeah, I think so too, I think it's good though, but apparently, not only are every team in the Premier League having an off season, it seems that every team in Europe as well, since LFC are topping the CL too. I'm aware things can turn around very fast, but I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts :D
 
The league is extremely weak this year in terms of top sides, but they took advantage of it.
 
Beat West Ham away in a few days that would put them on 45 points with a game Vs Everton away still to play at the half way point in the season.

So they very well could be sitting on 48 points after 19 games half season. That's a very good points total whatever way you look at it no matter the standard of opposition.
 
If you have players as good as Van Dijk, Salah, Alexander Arnold, Alisson etc you’re bound to win more than one league by law of averages if they stay together many years. Two great seasons they were unlucky they didn’t win the league, this season is giving one back.
 
The Premier League is one thing but they are quietly going about their business everywhere else too.

Top of the CL table, in the semis of the Carabao Cup (and looking the best team out of the 4) and I think an easier draw in the FA cup.
 
They still have City Chelsea away but on this form they will batter them.

Fair play. We dropped the ball massively this season.
 
Without wanting to give Liverpool too much credit, I believe that they started this season with 'only' the 5th highest wage bill in the Premier League, comfortably behind City, Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea in that department.

Winning a title despite not having a top 4 wage bill in that season (at least during the first half or so of it) would surely be a rare occurrence - clubs' wage bills, far more than their spending on transfer fees, are usually the biggest indicator / correlation of where they'll finish. Other than Leicester's miracle triumph in 2015/2016, I can't think of other examples of that in the Premier League era.

I'm assuming that we had the largest wage bill in the league in 1994/1995, and that Chelsea definitely had a top 4 wage bill in both 2014/2015 and 2016/2017, in addition to a top 1 / top 2 wage bill in 2004/2005, 2005/2006 and 2009/2010.
 
Without wanting to give Liverpool too much credit, I believe that they started this season with 'only' the 5th highest wage bill in the Premier League, comfortably behind City, Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea in that department.

Winning a title despite not having a top 4 wage bill in that season (at least during the first half or so of it) would surely be a rare occurrence - clubs' wage bills, far more than their spending on transfer fees, are usually the biggest indicator / correlation of where they'll finish. Other than Leicester's miracle triumph in 2015/2016, I can't think of other examples of that in the Premier League era.

I'm assuming that we had the largest wage bill in the league in 1994/1995, and that Chelsea definitely had a top 4 wage bill in both 2014/2015 and 2016/2017, in addition to a top 1 / top 2 wage bill in 2004/2005, 2005/2006 and 2009/2010.
How is their wage bill less than Arsenal's? Got a source?
 
Without wanting to give Liverpool too much credit, I believe that they started this season with 'only' the 5th highest wage bill in the Premier League, comfortably behind City, Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea in that department.

Winning a title despite not having a top 4 wage bill in that season (at least during the first half or so of it) would surely be a rare occurrence - clubs' wage bills, far more than their spending on transfer fees, are usually the biggest indicator / correlation of where they'll finish. Other than Leicester's miracle triumph in 2015/2016, I can't think of other examples of that in the Premier League era.

I'm assuming that we had the largest wage bill in the league in 1994/1995, and that Chelsea definitely had a top 4 wage bill in both 2014/2015 and 2016/2017, in addition to a top 1 / top 2 wage bill in 2004/2005, 2005/2006 and 2009/2010.

It depends if you use websites like Capology as a source, or you look at official published club accounts.
 
The problem with that argument is that our wage bills are (or were anyway), heavily incentivised. So our starting point will always be lower if we didn't have a great season, and higher if we do.

Don't think we're that far off any of the big clubs in terms of what we pay. On the books anyway when it comes to City...
 
Their team is like the 2007-2010 Chelsea team, where it’s a team that plays itself despite losing its adept manager that created it and it doesn’t really matter too much whose the manager at the time, because they don’t need to do too much like Avram Grant or Guus Hiddink.
 
Do Liverpool fans thinks this is wise? Salah and VD probably have one more good year left in them?
That's a very tough call. Salah is in phenomenal condition but also uses his brain to get into position while VVD plays his position so well without having to make lung busting sprints that I can easily see 2 to 3 more years for both.
 
Do Liverpool fans thinks this is wise? Salah and VD probably have one more good year left in them?

Salah and VD easily have two top seasons each left in them. 2+1 seems like the best deal.

Trent is definitely gone to Madrid.
 
League title wrapped up by December no thanks to truly awful challengers. Only have to beat Spursy to reach the league cup final. They have already beaten the main challenger in the Champions league comfortably. The only doubt on them not winning the quadruple this stage is the FA Cup, a bye in the 3rd round but after that they may rest some key starters and get caught on the hop?
 
Of course their bald Dutch manager turns out to be good. They didn't even have to spend money in the summer to get him some Eredivise players.