It’s fecking depressing how well they’re doing. It’s even more depressing that we’re having our worst season since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Liverpool 2024-25 | Definitely winning the EPL well before the end of the season
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Not to mention you’ve to come through a double header against Newcastle in the cup while they get to repeat todays stroll against Spurs.
Just like last season, the paranoia on here about Liverpool is absurd. They collapsed spectacularly last time.
I didn't say you were injury free, I compared it to Arsenal of last season who weren't injury free either, but did have our main guys available for the majority of games.
Allison has been unavailable but you do have the best No 2 in the league in Kelleher.
Just having a quick look, it seems Van Dijk has been available 16/16 games, Robertson 15/16, Trent 15/16, Gravenberch 16/16, Mac Allister 15/16, Szoboszlai 16/16, Diaz 16/16, Gakpo 16/16, Nunez 15/16, Salah 16/16.
The oddest thing about Liverpool is that some serious football people forgot that they got 82 points last season with a brand new midfield. Of course that was the start of something rather than being an anomaly.
And just like every season in the last 20, Arsenal will fail to take advantage. No doubt another trophy less season.
Every chance they smash Fergies best season points wise. Mad when you look at their team and it seems rather average outside of Salah
Injuries to Salah and VVD would stop them. Luck is on their side.
The competition is rather average at best that's why.
Annoyingly was hoping for a dip post klopp but they've seem to found a better base defensively which is a great platform for winning games. Luck here and there but there isn't really anybody to challenge them. Winning the game in hand to go 7 points clear near the half way mark means a team (Chelsea) has got to, least, better than by three games in the second half
Fair play I guess, they’ve spent their money well in the past 5 and even 10 years. By many metrics, their spend compares more to the likes of West Ham and Aston Villa than the teams they compete with at the top of the table.
I especially fecking hate it when we’re so piss poor in comparison
I especially fecking hate it when we’re so piss poor in comparison
Is it? Allison, Van Dijk, Konate, and Alexander-Arnold are all among the best current players in their respective positions. I'm not sure about their midfield because they are all relatively young/new, but there is a lot of promise there as well. I guess up front they have less quality and Salah is carrying them there; but I wouldn't say that for the team overall. And anyway, no team has top players in every position.
We hoped it was only the Klopp effect pulling them through. Turns out he was actually holding them back.
Even if they start to play badly, other teams are even worse. Unfortunately I think they will win this time.
Gravenberch and Szlobo are both excellent players.
Luis Diaz and Jota also ….probably start for most teams
Is Robertson not healthy? He’s hit 30, but I didn’t think he’d dropped off yet.
Lord help the league if they upgraded on Nunez.
Fair enough, I just think injuries tend not to be spoken of if you're winning, getting Slot in now was a stroke of luck really though.
By the way, what I will say is the quality of your squad is such that I think you cope with injuries better than what we (Arsenal) do.
I think you have more threats / goalscorers than we do if say Salah had to miss a few games, or options in midfield if one or 2 of them had to miss a few games.
Our front end quality drops massively without Saka and / or Odegaard.
Unfortunately they’ll win it. They are too good, and the challengers are too rubbish.
Mac Allister is one of the 3 best players of the team. Him, VVD and Salah are crucial. If one gets injured, they will feel it.
From what I've seen, Gravenberch seems to be their best player asides from Salah. He'd be a big miss for them if injured.
Should really be an asterix next to them if they win it considering how shite every one else is this season.
Up until today, I've maintained they're not favourites for the title and that whilst there is a chance they fluke it, it's still just an outside chance at this rate.
However, if Saka really is gonna be out for 8+ weeks, then there is a real chance now they can win it, and there's an argument now that they can be considered slight favourites.
Salah, van Dijk, Alisson and Trent are all-time PL greats. All four of them, although I understand why there's heavy resistance towards this opinion on this forum.
However, the rest of their squad is a good top 4 level side, nothing more. If they go on to win the title, it will have been due to being carried by that quartet I mentioned above.
The rest is decent, but the best title-winning teams of the last years all had more quality in their starting 11.
However, if Saka really is gonna be out for 8+ weeks, then there is a real chance now they can win it, and there's an argument now that they can be considered slight favourites.
Salah, van Dijk, Alisson and Trent are all-time PL greats. All four of them, although I understand why there's heavy resistance towards this opinion on this forum.
However, the rest of their squad is a good top 4 level side, nothing more. If they go on to win the title, it will have been due to being carried by that quartet I mentioned above.
The rest is decent, but the best title-winning teams of the last years all had more quality in their starting 11.
Gravenberch is better than a good top 4 side player this season honestly. He's been amazing. Entirely gave up on him as a player before this.
I agree that the likes of Gakpo, Nunez and Robertson (this season) are not very special.
This year they are on course for 92 points after 16 games,last year they were on course for about 92 or more points after about 30 games played.
So if Slot is on course for 92 points after another 14 prem games,and if he wins a league cup,he is at a similar stage to klopp last season.
They have done great in the ucl but they were bound to have improved from last year if klopp had stayed,because it is year two with that rebuilt midfield.Klopp would have tightened them defensively,like slot has to a large degree.
They look to be at a higher level to 17/18,maybe a similar level to 21/22.More solid in defense than 17/18,with a less impressive attack than that team.They are along way off that 18/19 and 19/20 lfc team,otherwise it would be realistically done and dusted already.
Imo, we've got four bona fide world class in Alisson, VVD, TAA and Salah.
In Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Konate, Diaz we've got four more who could well become world class if they continue their current trajectory and would adorn any title challenging side.
Then there is a group of Szoboslai, Jota, Kelleher, Robertson, Gomez, Jones, Bradley who are more than good enough to start games.
Gakpo, Quansah and Endo are decent squaddies.
Which leaves Nunez, Chiesa and Tsimikas with question marks.
Not a lot to complain about. We need a first choice forward and a left back good enough to oust Robinson. Maybe we can improve midfield further with a shrewd signing.
That's luxurious really.
In Mac Allister, Gravenberch, Konate, Diaz we've got four more who could well become world class if they continue their current trajectory and would adorn any title challenging side.
Then there is a group of Szoboslai, Jota, Kelleher, Robertson, Gomez, Jones, Bradley who are more than good enough to start games.
Gakpo, Quansah and Endo are decent squaddies.
Which leaves Nunez, Chiesa and Tsimikas with question marks.
Not a lot to complain about. We need a first choice forward and a left back good enough to oust Robinson. Maybe we can improve midfield further with a shrewd signing.
That's luxurious really.
Ok. But only if we can do that for most of Ferguson’s titles in the early 90s given the absence of genuine quality rivals…
…or we all act like grownups and don’t fall into really crummy ways of belittling teams we’re not keen on.
Basically everything has gone against both City and Arsenal this season and everything has gone for Liverpool. It is what it is.
I think Slot deserves a huge amount of credit but IMO they are not at the level of Klopp's top sides, they are just a very good side that has kept almost its entire contingent of field players reasonably healthy while catching a bunch of other breaks. They caught Arsenal without Odegaard or Saliba and were still outplayed until Gabriel got sent off, caught City at their absolute nadir and of course with huge injury issues, caught Spurs missing four of their starting back five, Chelsea was also missing two of their starting backline against them, the match at Goodison came at a point when Everton was hitting some form and would have been very tough under the weather conditions but it got postponed, etc.
You still have to win the games and they are doing it in style so I would not put any asterisks next to a title. But its a reminder that in normal times (ie, without Pep's peak City around setting crazy standards) winning the title is mainly about being one of the 2-3 best sides on paper and then just having the best luck among that group in terms of keeping your side healthy and catching other breaks over the course of the season.
Harsh on Uderzo and Goscinny.
Just a joke mate. Lighten up you're gonna win the league.
Fair do’s
Amongst the top 5 leagues they have the second highest chance to win the league, certainly behind PSG but none else. It is not done and dusted yet, but it is really close to that. I just dont think Arsenal and Chelsea are consistent enough to get 90 points+, because at the very least Liverpool will reach 88+. Arsenal only reached 90+ once during the Invincible season since the starting of the Premier League. Chelsea did it a few times under Mourinho and once under Conte, but it was a very long time ago as well. This Arsenal team is a galaxy behind the Invincible and Chelsea is also a galaxy behind their Mourinho team.
Just a couple of weeks away from the "keep the score line down" match at Anfield. Why the feck have we turned into this wank team over the last few years when we play these lot!
Wish Klopp hadn’t left
Probably the most annoying part of our downfall.
The amount of hammerings Liverpool have dished out.
But we rarely did the same to them at our apex under SAF.
We've not won at Anfield for 9 years once we meet. We've scored a grand total of 1 goal in 8 games since our last win.
The GD is - 15 in 8 games.
Exactly. Even when Liverpool were shit they gave us a good game. We’ve just rolled over.
Looks like beating him was Pep's entire motivation. That left along with Klopp. We really owe Pep a statue, maybe a small one.
Our worst defeat in terms of scoreline that I can remember was a 4-0 loss at Old Trafford in 02/03. Hyypia was sent off 5 minutes in.
You never rocked up to Anfield and thumped us though.
Only if it’s for the intention of smashing into pieces. Pep, manager of 130 fc, can do one - and with the his current performances, he might just.
From reading this thread, if Salah, Van Dijk, Trent, MacAllister, Konate and Grabenberch all got injured, they'd be f**ked.
I'd call us utterly reliant on a seven man band except Kelleher steps in pretty well for Alisson.