Benitez won us the Champions League in one of the best finals in history, followed by the FA Cup and another CL final. If Klopp wins nothing, he will be remembered as good but not great. The reason I mentioned sacking was because 'must' implies consequences, and many in the media and on here have suggested his job should be in question - it was directed as a general point, not just at you. Apologies if it came across as accusatory; it wasn't intended that way.
Liverpool 2018/19
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Benitez won us the Champions League in one of the best finals in history, followed by the FA Cup and another CL final. If Klopp wins nothing, he will be remembered as good but not great. The reason I mentioned sacking was because 'must' implies consequences, and many in the media and on here have suggested his job should be in question - it was directed as a general point, not just at you. Apologies if it came across as accusatory; it wasn't intended that way.
Football is about enjoyment. Excitement , nerves. It’s about supporting and enjoying the ride. No one is guaranteed of winning anything. I Was as gutted as any other Liverpool supporter when we lost the champions league final last year. However for me as a fan that whole ride gave me some wonderful nights out at Anfield and abroad, with mates. It’s all about the journey and I think with Klopp in charge we’re going places. Yes we need to win a trophy but people are blinkered if they can’t see what a wonderful job he is doing so far. I’ve every faith a trophy isn’t too far away. Football in essence has much more to it that just winning trophies. They are the ultimate goal, of course, but it’s the journey, the amazing times with friends, the stand out moments which make you stand there and appreciate a wonderful piece of skill that was worth the entrance fee alone. There’s so so much more to it.
Like Gordon Banks in 1970, this Allison save innit, 
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.Firstly, going abroad with your mates and having a few beers is Not the same as wining the champions league or premier league.
Secondly, All this thing about Klopp needing any trophy is not true. What is true is he needs to win the premier league or champions league.
They might win the league this year.... and we're still waiting for top 4 to be gone to fire Mourinho and will probably keep Woodward....
That goal against Everton helped them big time. Gave them energy and confidence in the next games. They played 3 league games in the week before Napoli and managed to run nearly 119 km against Napoli Hope they won't be able to repeat that against United.
Hope they won't be able to repeat that against United.Down to two CB's.
No, I'm jealous Rangers are .
If were to ask anybody who knows anything about football, for example, ask Jose privately, they would tell you that klopp is about to win the league soon.
Fans feel this and that is why he won't be sacked anytime soon. He doesn't have to win the league this season.
Edit: If Klopp had chosen United would they be challenging for the title by now.... almost certainly.
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Just like how Sterling's late winners kept City's momentum last season, after which they never looked back and kept winning.That goal against Everton helped them big time. Gave them energy and confidence in the next games. They played 3 league games in the week before Napoli and managed to run nearly 119 km against Napoli
Big blow, he can never stay fit. We’re at barebones now and it’s a shame cause I’ve always rated him higher than lovren he just needed a run after all his injuries. But lovren isn’t bad himself.
SOS to Stephen Caulker?
They'll probably remember a guy who rescued them from a very difficult position, totally reinvigorated the squad and set them up very well for the future. Whilst giving them plenty of memories along the way (2 finals with some of the most entertaining games in Europe I can remember in recent times) and often playing some really enjoyable football.
I think Harry Redknapp said he was happy with a job if he left the club in a better position than he found it in and nobody could argue that Klopp, barring a total disaster, has accomplished that at Liverpool and then some. Trophies are obviously vital, especially for a club like Liverpool, but especially in modern football you simply can't only judge a managers success in terms of silverware. Cups like the FA Cup/League Cup have become far less prestigious with the focus for the top sides being competing for those top 4 spots, and beyond that challenging for the league and CL.
He reached a final in the latter, and looks set to deliver a title challenge this season against a side who amassed 100 points last season. A side led by the greatest manager in the world, who has tremendous financial resources at his fingertips and already took over a side with the likes of Aguero, De Bruyne, Silva etc. He's doing really, really great work if he keeps the pace up with them.
At least you won't be forced to play 2 central midfielders in central defence like United have recently.
Be grateful for the two you have fit.
Someone is in need of a scouse lover tag.
We weren't forced to play 2 either. It's just our manager is a tit and decided to play 3 at the back after having 1 CB available.
I think it's more a case of I see so many of the same arguments used against Poch 'But he hasn't won a trophy!' so I'm inclined to side with Klopp in debates like this.
I wish Klopp had done a terrible job tbh, aside from the fact I think he's a great manager I find him an insufferable nob and incredibly hypocritical, like most football managers. I just think you're really reaching if you are arguing that he hasn't been successful at Liverpool.
That's a fair point.
I think it's more a case of I see so many of the same arguments used against Poch 'But he hasn't won a trophy!' so I'm inclined to side with Klopp in debates like this.
I wish Klopp had done a terrible job tbh, aside from the fact I think he's a great manager I find him an insufferable nob and incredibly hypocritical, like most football managers. I just think you're really reaching if you are arguing that he hasn't been successful at Liverpool.
I think that depends entirely on how you measure success.
Lovren got this.
Absolutely. The squad he inherted was not nearly as good as the one Guardiola got.
Superb turnaround. Absolutely remarkable.
This.
That is why I have limited criticism for Mourinho. Our squad is shite.
However, his signings haven't been good enough so there is that.
True, if you are more of a 'purist' (I guess?) then the argument is there that he's lost 2 finals and not won a single trophy so has been a failure.
Me personally though, I just view that argument as too simplistic and to be ignoring context. I don't only rate managers who win trophies, but obviously others are welcome to feel differently .. it's a game of opinions after all.
What many people fail to understand is that you need to have a clear plan/vision to know how you want to build your squad, and klopp has got that like no other manager. Every player he has brought has fulfilled his role and even the ones who already were there and labelled useless/flops are now playing a big part in his team (Lovren/Henderson/Wijnaldum/Firmino).
And the other thing people rarely mention is his reputation and the pull it brings with it. Liverpool have enough money to spend but does anybody think they can compete with City or Us for that matter? It was mostly the wish of them to play under him that made them choose them instead of us/city/chelsea/etc... Or does anyone think that pool would have landed players like Mane, Salah, Vvd, Allison, Keita the way they were before he arrived? No chance. That's what worldclass managers give to you. Mourinho once was the same but his raputation has suffered massively the last years, because of all the bs he has caused at his clubs, and that's why with all the money we have, it seems we can't buy feck all.
We need someone with vision and reputation to take us back where we belong, money isn't the issue, we all know that much...
You should ask a certain couple of Texan cowboys just what 'nice guys' we are. We rode them outa town because we knew they weren't really interested in building Liverpool up.
How's your campaign to get rid of the Glazers going ?
For me the greatest take-away from last night was that we showed we can still play the press like last season and blow teams away. Make no mistake Napoli were blown away and only divine intervention stopped Mane and Salah scoring some sitters. It was the same blitz that hit City and Roma so hard last season. So its a relief to see that they can still play that way especially in Europe, since our measured 'Plan A' hasnt yielded good results in the CL (perfect for the league though grinds down the smaller teams efficiently and saves energy). Last season pressing was the only plan, this season we have 2 very different approaches we can take to games and this will be very handy in the CL and also at City in the league I feel.
We're going with the 'slow but steady wins the race' approach.
Apparently, this is the most effective method in ridding yourself of a Jose Mourinho.
As long as they both remain injury free, we'll be alright. Lovren is solid enough alongside VVD... (But please, let's get Gomez back ASAP).
You could always strangle him with a green & gold scarf. Your owners would certainly get the message then.
That goal against Everton helped them big time. Gave them energy and confidence in the next games. They played 3 league games in the week before Napoli and managed to run nearly 119 km against Napoli
Jeez thats an average of 11km per player. I think it was our best performance in terms of pressing, this season, and gives an idea of how Klopp intends to play this season. Controlled and Methodical against the small teams . Then pressing the big teams lke Maniacs and hitting them high up the pitch.
Go on then lads. You've all seen this by now...
What's your combined team? Injured players weren't included for them, but you can include em if you want.
Mine would be...
DDG
TAA Gomez VVD Robertson
Milner ??? ???
Salah Firmino Martial
Yeah I'm putting Martial in there because I'd absolutely love to see him under an attack minded manager. Not sure what midfield I'd go with at all, though... Gini has impressed me recently, but. I've no idea. If Matic were a few years younger, I'd drop him in without hesitation & put Pogba alongside him.
What's your combined team? Injured players weren't included for them, but you can include em if you want.
Mine would be...
DDG
TAA Gomez VVD Robertson
Milner ??? ???
Salah Firmino Martial
Yeah I'm putting Martial in there because I'd absolutely love to see him under an attack minded manager. Not sure what midfield I'd go with at all, though... Gini has impressed me recently, but. I've no idea. If Matic were a few years younger, I'd drop him in without hesitation & put Pogba alongside him.
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Neville's convincing me to Pogba's worth a little now. His position would be challenged by Gini, Shaq, Fred, Keita, Lingard, Herrera and out of all of those players Pogba would be least disciplined. But he would be the deadliest. My two holding midfielders would be Gini (so underrated even now) and Matic. With Pogba just ahead feeding the runs of Mane and Salah. No under hit or over hit through balls would see record number of chances created.
He bossed it on Tuesday. Was obviously going to get overlooked but he had a really good game. I was leaning towards him & Herrera/Pogba for my midfield alongside Milner, but there's really not much in it.
If all players were playing to their full potential (or what I think they'd be capable of under the same manager currently), I'd pick this team:
DDG
TAA Gomez/Bailly VVD Robertson
Keita/Fred Fabinho Pogba
Salah Sanchez Martial
On current form, excluding injured players:
Alisson
TAA Smalling VVD Robertson
Wijnaldum Milner Pogba
Salah Firmino Mané
DDG
TAA Gomez/Bailly VVD Robertson
Keita/Fred Fabinho Pogba
Salah Sanchez Martial
On current form, excluding injured players:
Alisson
TAA Smalling VVD Robertson
Wijnaldum Milner Pogba
Salah Firmino Mané
It's remarkable how good Wijnaldum is playing this season. Genuinely didn't think he had such form in him.
Is Smalling really having a better season than Gomez ?
Have a very good 11. And they have to play mostly all the time, otherwise I'd say they would win the league, but they won't because city will and by at least 6pts.
They will get to semis of champions league, and probably get knocked out of F.A cup because Klopp will have to change his side to accommodate all comps. Very good side and winning games they would have drawn or lost last year, because of keeper improvement, will have to see if FSG, shellout another £200 million or so without selling players to keep the improvement going ?
This remains to be seen if they do to keep up with city, like other clubs in prem and Europe have to exception to psg who can along with city just spend spend spend? Unless ffp does what it was intended to do?. Overall going to be a long long time before the top houners go to pool , even with a top playing style.
They will get to semis of champions league, and probably get knocked out of F.A cup because Klopp will have to change his side to accommodate all comps. Very good side and winning games they would have drawn or lost last year, because of keeper improvement, will have to see if FSG, shellout another £200 million or so without selling players to keep the improvement going ?
This remains to be seen if they do to keep up with city, like other clubs in prem and Europe have to exception to psg who can along with city just spend spend spend? Unless ffp does what it was intended to do?. Overall going to be a long long time before the top houners go to pool , even with a top playing style.
It's only Jose telling us that we are gonna be in the Top 4 when January arrives that is stopping me from worrying about Utd copping a thrashing on Sunday, tbh.
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Only those unhappy with Pool's progress would dare mention sacking in the same sentence as Klopp. He's done a great job so far. The time for him to win is from now on. The side was under construction before. Being disappointed that he wasn't winning during a period of transition is foolish.
Wasting valuable time that we could be using to get this club on the way to prosperity.
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